Nasri To City - Done Deal!

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acrebo said:
It's amazing how people see things differently based on the same, unsupported, rumours.

I have seen nothing of note to suggest we know where he will be next season. His recent interview does suggest he wants to move on from Arsenal to win trophies but he could just as easily be doing a Rooney and wanting to see investment.

Also, with his quote about money not being an issue - this could quite easily be him dismissing City, whereas it could also be him just getting his excuses in early as to the real reason he chooses them.

Patience, children.
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:lol: You actually believe that shite? Rooney was lookin a bumper new deal for God sake!

Sure John O'Shea came out (not the closet) last week in that United book, to say Rooney came into the Dressing Room & said "he did what he had to do.." to which John commented that it was only to get a new deal..

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"John O'Shea recounts in the book how the players reacted to a team-mate questioning whether the other players were good enough to challenge for trophies.

"It transpired it was just an interesting technique of getting a new deal," O'Shea said. "I think Wayne, if he could turn back the clock, might do things a bit differently, but both parties were happy in the end.

"He came [into the Carrington dressing room after signing his new deal] and apologised to everyone. He said he'd done what he had to do, basically, and he was sorry if he had offended anybody. Obviously there were a few comments that will stay in the dressing room. They were quite smart and funny, but all friendly."

David Gill slates FA colleagues for Manchester United 'victimisation' | Football | guardian.co.uk
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Footballers want to perform on the highest stage and Nasri himself has said that his primary motivation is winning medals.

On this basis, would his preference be to join the team that won 4 out of the last 5 PL titles and made 3 out of the last 4 CL finals?

Or would he prefer to play for the team that just won it's first trophy in 38 years, has never won the Premier League and never even played in the CL before?

Hmmm...
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In fairness there is an argument that he'll be thinking more about what they'll win in the future and not what they have won.

Personally I still think we're more likely to win things than they are but I wouldn't discount them the way people on here are. Eventually they'll start bringing in top players and they have unlimited resources. You'd have to think it will click at some stage.
 
At the end of the day we can speculate which team he'd prefer to play for, for all we know his agent was offered a significant signing on fee from City and thats put them in the driving seat, for all we know Nasri wants to play abroad, or for all we know Nasri would love to become a Red and win trophies, only time will tell, none of us are any the wiser, all we know is that its fairly certain he wants out of Arsenal.
 
Brophs said:
In fairness there is an argument that he'll be thinking more about what they'll win in the future and not what they have won.

Personally I still think we're more likely to win things than they are but I wouldn't discount them the way people on here are. Eventually they'll start bringing in top players and they have unlimited resources. You'd have to think it will click at some stage.
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But limited brains.

Shitty are the embodiment of stupid excess and vulgarity.
 
Siorac said:
Of course but everyone's opinion is based on speculation only. Apart from the Twitter ITKs of course, they know everything.
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What out of interest do you think we would offer Nasri and City would offer Nasri? You seem to think that we can only give our players 50p a week. We can afford to pay Nasri the wages he wants, how much do you think City are going to offer him? City can offer wages higher than we can but it doesn't mean they will, or they will do for every player, or they are going to offer Nasri 300k a week.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Footballers want to perform on the highest stage and Nasri himself has said that his primary motivation is winning medals.

On this basis, would his preference be to join the team that won 4 out of the last 5 PL titles and made 3 out of the last 4 CL finals?

Or would he prefer to play for the team that just won it's first trophy in 38 years, has never won the Premier League and never even played in the CL before?

Hmmm...
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He might think that City are on the up, that they are destined to become the biggest club in Manchester because of the unlimited resources - remember Kewell? We're back in speculation country again, of course, but it's a possibility.

I still think that if Arsenal prefer to sell him to City (a huge if) then Nasri will happily join them, he won't force a transfer to United.
 
Brophs said:
In fairness there is an argument that he'll be thinking more about what they'll win in the future and not what they have won.

Personally I still think we're more likely to win things than they are but I wouldn't discount them the way people on here are. Eventually they'll start bringing in top players and they have unlimited resources. You'd have to think it will click at some stage.
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It's highly likely (but not 100% guaranteed) that City will become a force in Europe at some point but United are a force right now and have been for years. We've also got the biggest crowds, the biggest stadium and the best manager in the country.

I think the vast majority of professional footballers would rather join United than City, given a straight choice between the two. I'm a bit surprised that United fans would think otherwise.
 
Zarlak said:
What out of interest do you think we would offer Nasri and City would offer Nasri? You seem to think that we can only give our players 50p a week. We can afford to pay Nasri the wages he wants, how much do you think City are going to offer him? City can offer wages higher than we can but it doesn't mean they will, or they will do for every player, or they are going to offer Nasri 300k a week.
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Indeed. If Nasri does move to City and if we also have the opportunity to offer him a contract, the wages City offer him and what we offer him will not be World's apart. We have to accept that City are becoming, slowly, an exciting proposition for players that want to make the step up from "almost rans" to challenging for honours. They'll push us close this year.

Sorry, Red Hand Devil, I agree with you. What I meant was that was his justification for talking about it, in order to force Arsenal's hand.
 
cina said:
Lescott is the only weak player in it. Kompany is brilliant, Richards had a very good year and Clichy is a good LB that was just out of form. Hardly "wank"
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Can't be serious. Lescott is wank, Richards is poor defender, got exposed after very good first year and Clichy is nothing more than an average full back, who is very error prone.

1 quality defender and 3 rubbish to average ones doesn't make it even good defence..
 
Zarlak said:
What out of interest do you think we would offer Nasri and City would offer Nasri? You seem to think that we can only give our players 50p a week. We can afford to pay Nasri the wages he wants, how much do you think City are going to offer him? City can offer wages higher than we can but it doesn't mean they will, or they will do for every player, or they are going to offer Nasri 300k a week.
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We offer him about 120k (can't see us going any higher than that), they can offer him 180k if they are determined to get him.

Back in the days we lost out to Chelsea when going for Essien or Robben; it's a similar scenario this time, new money against the old, somewhat less money.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
It's highly likely (but not 100% guaranteed) that City will become a force in Europe at some point but United are a force right now and have been for years. We've also got the biggest crowds, the biggest stadium and the best manager in the country.

I think the vast majority of professional footballers would rather join United than City, given a straight choice between the two. I'm a bit surprised that United fans would think otherwise.
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I'd have thought that the biggest difference between us and city is that the vast majority of players improve substantially after joining us.
 
Siorac said:
We offer him about 120k (can't see us going any higher than that), they can offer him 180k if they are determined to get him.

Back in the days we lost out to Chelsea when going for Essien or Robben; it's a similar scenario this time, new money against the old, somewhat less money.
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You honestly believe City will give Nasri 180k? In light of the FFP regs and the stupid wages they already have?

Why would he come out and say it wasn't about the money but about the trophies if it wasn't the case? If it was about the money he'd keep his mouth shut and accept a contract from City. He wouldn't need to open his mouth and declare a desire for trophies over money.
 
Isn't Ashley Young on about £120k a week? I'm fairly sure we will value Nasri's ability higher than that of Young's and would offer a contract accordingly? My guess is we would push nearer £150k per week.

Regardless, Nasri has already said that the wages on offer aren't his motivator. It could be all bollocks but he seems to genuinely appreciate the money he earns and just wants to become a better footballer, winning trophies in the process.

IF that is his true motivator, then he couldn't ask for more than being a vital cog in SAF's next great side. He would win trophies at City but he would just be Silva's understudy.
 
If nasri want to win major trophies, he should join us not those massives.....
 
Red Hand Devil said:
:lol: You actually believe that shite? Rooney was lookin a bumper new deal for God sake!

Sure John O'Shea came out (not the closet) last week in that United book, to say Rooney came into the Dressing Room & said "he did what he had to do.." to which John commented that it was only to get a new deal..

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"John O'Shea recounts in the book how the players reacted to a team-mate questioning whether the other players were good enough to challenge for trophies.

"It transpired it was just an interesting technique of getting a new deal," O'Shea said. "I think Wayne, if he could turn back the clock, might do things a bit differently, but both parties were happy in the end.

"He came [into the Carrington dressing room after signing his new deal] and apologised to everyone. He said he'd done what he had to do, basically, and he was sorry if he had offended anybody. Obviously there were a few comments that will stay in the dressing room. They were quite smart and funny, but all friendly."

David Gill slates FA colleagues for Manchester United 'victimisation' | Football | guardian.co.uk
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I like how you conveniently don't read this part of the story which you posted..

Rooney changed his mind after several weeks of lobbying behind the scenes – "I wouldn't say there were discussions every day but there was regular contact," Gill said – and John O'Shea recounts in the book how the players reacted to a team-mate questioning whether the other players were good enough to challenge for trophies.
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It was about the money and the fact that he wanted assurances from the Glazers that they would be investing in the team..

Also as we can see he was quite happy with what the Glazers told him and have delivered as far as I can tell with our summer spending already at around the 50M mark.. With atleast 1 more player likely to come in..
 
Pogue Mahone said:
It's highly likely (but not 100% guaranteed) that City will become a force in Europe at some point but United are a force right now and have been for years. We've also got the biggest crowds, the biggest stadium and the best manager in the country.

I think the vast majority of professional footballers would rather join United than City, given a straight choice between the two. I'm a bit surprised that United fans would think otherwise.
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That's the thing though, isn't it? If you ask United fans they'll have a particular bias but if you ask Samir Nasri he has no affection for us at all. So if he's offered a deal with City for, say, £180k p/w and us for, say, £120k, then the difference is £3m a year-ish. Then take into the account they'll wow him with stories about them signing the best players in the world.

I still think City are a much less secure choice but if you were a footballer with no ties to either club it might not be such a straightforward decision, especially if you're a greedy bastard.
 
acrebo said:
Isn't Ashley Young on about £120k a week? I'm fairly sure we will value Nasri's ability higher than that of Young's and would offer a contract accordingly? My guess is we would push nearer £150k per week.
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Do people just pluck these massive figures out of their arses?

Plucking them out of my own arse, I'd guess Young was on around £60,000 a week at Villa and is on about £80,000 a week with us. No chance he is on £120,000 and no chance we'd offer Nasri £150,000. £100,000 max and he's probably on £60,000-£70,000 now.
 
He should have a chat with Milner

James Milner: I joined Manchester City for one reason - to win the Premier League title


ask him how thats going for him....

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Pexbo said:
Do people just pluck these massive figures out of their arses?

Plucking them out of my own arse, I'd guess Young was on around £60,000 a week at Villa and is on about £80,000 a week with us. No chance he is on £120,000 and no chance we'd offer Nasri £150,000. £100,000 max and he's probably on £60,000-£70,000 now.
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Just what I was about to say. People just make figures up as they go along.
 
There were all these stories about rooney being on 200-250k and toure being on 221k a week
Yet there was the story about the brazilian guy who signed for the chinese club, getting 175k which made him the 3rd highest paid player behind Ronaldo and Messi

Dont believe everything you read.
If Young is on 130k/week, then it's probably for the first season or two of his contract and is because of his signing on fee being spread over that period of time

There is no way his wages are 130k a week
 
Chirag said:
I like how you conveniently don't read this part of the story which you posted..



It was about the money and the fact that he wanted assurances from the Glazers that they would be investing in the team..

Also as we can see he was quite happy with what the Glazers told him and have delivered as far as I can tell with our summer spending already at around the 50M mark.. With atleast 1 more player likely to come in..
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Nothin convenient about that at all. I've read it last week when it was published. That bit states he apologised about the way he went about gettin a new deal, thus saying that he didnt mean what he said & was just doin what he had to do to get the big pay-deal.

You're niave if you think Uniteds spending this Summer has anythin to do with Rooney. It was feckin obvious we were gonna spend some dosh to freshen things up. VDS was retiring, Scholes & Nev retired, Hargreaves is gone, we had offers for three squad players who seem keen to move on - thats potentially 7 players not in the squad now, so of course we were gonna spend - we always do every couple of years anyway. Nothin to do with Rooney, so stop conning yourself!
 
Pexbo said:
Do people just pluck these massive figures out of their arses?

Plucking them out of my own arse, I'd guess Young was on around £60,000 a week at Villa and is on about £80,000 a week with us. No chance he is on £120,000 and no chance we'd offer Nasri £150,000. £100,000 max and he's probably on £60,000-£70,000 now.
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Quite possibly, it's a figure for Young that I had through some grapevine or another, probably tabloid-based. My Nasri estimate was purely based on Young's assumed salary.

I still maintain that the different between what we would offer him and what City will offer him in their new, more thrifty, spending plan isn't going to be massively different.
 
Zarlak said:
You honestly believe City will give Nasri 180k? In light of the FFP regs and the stupid wages they already have?

Why would he come out and say it wasn't about the money but about the trophies if it wasn't the case? If it was about the money he'd keep his mouth shut and accept a contract from City. He wouldn't need to open his mouth and declare a desire for trophies over money.
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Or he doesn't want Arsenal fans to remember him as a greedy mercenary. Which is not the most flattering reputation you could have, hence the comments that he's not in it for the cash but for the glory.

But in a world where Ashley Cole almost crashes his car because of 5k I expect money to play some sort of role in Nasri's decision.
 
Red Dreams said:
Fergie obviously made use of the Rooney situation to press home his views about bringing quality players into the squad. But to say Rooney had nothing to do with the money the Glazers have spent so far is not realistic.
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I'd say it's perfectly realistic. In fact I'd go so far as to say anyone thinking Rooney's rhetoric had any impact on our Summer spending is a fool.
 
Red Hand Devil said:
Nothin convenient about that at all. I've read it last week when it was published. That bit states he apologised about the way he went about gettin a new deal, thus saying that he didnt mean what he said & was just doin what he had to do to get the big pay-deal.

You're niave if you think Uniteds spending this Summer has anythin to do with Rooney. It was feckin obvious we were gonna spend some dosh to freshen things up. VDS was retiring, Scholes & Nev retired, Hargreaves is gone, we had offers for three squad players who seem keen to move on - thats potentially 7 players not in the squad now, so of course we were gonna spend - we always do every couple of years anyway. Nothin to do with Rooney, so stop conning yourself!
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Remind me the last summer there was as many ins and outs as there will be this summer.. Lets wait to the 1st of September and revisit this conversation.. Leave out the VDS/DDG and the possible Scholes replacement and you would still see a vast difference in the squad.. I am not saying all of this is down to Rooney.. But I am saying this spending is definitely one of many reasons for which Rooney is staying at United..
 
Red Dreams said:
Fergie obviously made use of the Rooney situation to press home his views about bringing quality players into the squad. But to say Rooney had nothing to do with the money the Glazers have spent so far is not realistic.
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wtf!

You seriously think we're spending because of Rooney? You lunatic. Go get yourself sectioned.
 
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