Nasri To City - Done Deal!

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cina said:
:lol: One of the strikers obviously. You know what a 4-3-3 is, don't you?

So hang on, let's just get this straight ok. You asked if he can play 4-4-2, I said he could, you had no response, instead you ask if he can play 4-4-2 against one of the great club sides of all time.

And again, when did I say he was better equipped than someone 'who has flourished there for years'? Pray, do tell. Do you want to just write my posts for me now?
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I asked on what basis you think he can play in a 4-4-2, youve provided zero evidence other than "in my opinion" well fantastic, in my view he cant and seeing as hes never selected there by any coach he plays under id say my view is rather more supported than yours.

As for the who gets dropped comment, dear me is it that difficult for you to grasp? you answered it without actually seeing the point i was getting at, christ this is hard work. :(
 
Siorac said:
Or he can offer him around and wait for the likes of Milan or Inter to pounce.

I don't think Nasri is determined to go to United at all costs, even if (a massive if) he does actually want out of Arsenal.
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Well yeah, I suppose he could go off to Italy. Would any player at Nasri's age favour those two clubs over United though? I don't think so, personally.

If Nasri wants to come to United and digs his heels in, it'll happen.

Of course, it's conceivable (and likely) that he's angling for a better contract.
 
If it was fabregas, it'd shock me but Nasri? Not really. If we got nasri I think Wenger would look to madrid who have diarra and maybe one or two others. However, you'd think we need to wrap it up as soon as possible to let Arsenal rebuild but then again we might just wait and try to pick him up on a free or for cheap in Jan. It's going to be a long summer :)
 
Allforone said:
Thats kind of a redundant point seeing as you dont have to be a technical magician to play in centre midfield in the first place as well as the fact Lucas and Anderson have been deployed in 2 man midfield's at younger ages, Nasri still isnt, and those games were in 3 man midfields your referring to btw, why does he never get picked to play in a 2 man midfield by any manager he works under?

Ill ask you again, whens he flourished in a midfield 2 at either club or international level??
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Its not redundant. For some reason, you doubt he cant play there. You dont have to be a magician, but being technically gifted helps you excel in that role.

Erm, because arsenal and france rarely play a 4-4-2, if ever? Thats a pointless question, and you've conveniently ignored the questions I asked you.

Why is Sneider - less mobile than Nasri, unproven in the PL, has stamina issues in a 2 man midfield that were exposed at madrid and more expensive - a better option than nasri?

Also, can fabregas play in 2 man midfield? Hes never played there so obviously his managers dont fancy him there or something.
 
Feed Me said:
If Nasri wants to go to United, there's feck all he can do in practice.

He can keep an unhappy player (no point) and risk losing him on a free to a rival just a year down the line (very un-Wenger like). Or he can get some decent cash for him.
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We managed to stop Heinze joining Liverpool. For Nasri to force his way to United in spite of Arsene saying no he'd have to refuse to sign for any other club and run down his contract, and you'd have to think some other European club would make an offer.
 
R_Nick said:
We managed to stop Heinze joining Liverpool. For Nasri to force his way to United in spite of Arsene saying no he'd have to refuse to sign for any other club and run down his contract, and you'd have to think some other European club would make an offer.
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I don't think Henize was in the final 12 months of his contract though.
 
Arsenal could use the cash though. We aren't as financially limited as Arsenal so could afford to let Heinze rot if need be.
 
Allforone said:
I asked on what basis you think he can play in a 4-4-2, youve provided zero evidence other than "in my opinion" well fantastic, in my view he cant and seeing as hes never selected there by any coach he plays under id say my view is rather more supported than yours.

As for the who gets dropped comment, dear me is it that difficult for you to grasp? you answered it without actually seeing the point i was getting at, christ this is hard work. :(
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He hasn't been selected there because they never play 4-3-3.

What's your point then? You never actually ... you know ... gave one.

"Who gets dropped in a 4-3-3, midfielder midfielder midfielder striker striker"

Spot the odd one out there. Or perhaps you're referring to your earlier statement about Rooney and Hernandez both playing? In which case I say again, how is Nasri any less competent than Giggs if he plays alongside Carrick in a 4-4-2, BEARING IN MIND that we are very rarely reliant on anyone in the center of that park to defend other than, to an extent Carrick.

And please, do not bring up Modric or whomever this time, because I never mentioned them, at all, not once.

Nasri is still a midfielder, is he not? I'm sure he can adjust to playing in a midfield 2.
 
Siorac said:
Or he can offer him around and wait for the likes of Milan or Inter to pounce.

I don't think Nasri is determined to go to United at all costs, even if (a massive if) he does actually want out of Arsenal.
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That is the point. There is a way out of this for Arsenal and Nasri (if he really wants to leave) that doesn't mean we get him.

Wenger is under huge pressure so he's not going to let Nasri come here.
 
R_Nick said:
We managed to stop Heinze joining Liverpool. For Nasri to force his way to United in spite of Arsene saying no he'd have to refuse to sign for any other club and run down his contract, and you'd have to think some other European club would make an offer.
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I agree in principle. But it'd have to be a La Liga team coming in for him. Would a player entering his prime years move to Serie A? I don't think so, personally. And I don't think Barca or Madrid will be in for him. The natural move would appear to be to another PL team (or stay at Arsenal).

Slightly different to Heinze in my opinion. Heinze was a shadow of the player he had been after his injury and I think United would have happily let him rot and taken a hit on wages and loss of potential transfer fee. It'd be poor business for Arsenal to do the same because they could still fetch really good money for him (look how much Young is going for).
 
MacMUFC said:
Its not redundant. For some reason, you doubt he cant play there. You dont have to be a magician, but being technically gifted helps you excel in that role.

Erm, because arsenal and france rarely play a 4-4-2, if ever? Thats a pointless question, and you've conveniently ignored the questions I asked you.

Why is Sneider - less mobile than Nasri, unproven in the PL, has stamina issues in a 2 man midfield that were exposed at madrid and more expensive - a better option than nasri?

Also, can fabregas play in 2 man midfield? Hes never played there so obviously his managers dont fancy him there or something.
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What about Messi? hes got wonderful technique should we sign him to play in centre midfield? clearly your a fool if you cant see he has the technique to do so or something? you do of course realise playing in centre midfield requires other attributes that arent linked with how nicely you trap a football?

Ill ask you again, for the last time, show me what evidence supports your claim Nasri can play to a high level in a 2 man midfield, other than "in my opinion" you cant, can you hence you dont know, maybe he can maybe he cant the fact he never does dosnt exactly help this trumpeting for him to replace one of our recently retired legends.
 
Just retweeted "Evra"s tweet. Everybody should also do the same, let's spread this rumor!
 
Seriously, making up rumours on twitter just to wind people up and get attention is so sad, especially if it is other United fans being wound up.

Back on topic, I'm almost certain Nasri will leave Arsenal but I doubt he'll come to United. He's a talented lad who could certainly do the job at a top European side - Milan, Inter, Madrid, Barcelona or whoever it may be.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
I don't think Henize was in the final 12 months of his contract though.
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I honestly don't recall so I'll take your word for it, if not then that is a big difference.

Feed Me said:
I agree in principle. But it'd have to be a La Liga team coming in for him. Would a player entering his prime years move to Serie A? I don't think so, personally. And I don't think Barca or Madrid will be in for him. The natural move would appear to be to another PL team (or stay at Arsenal).

Slightly different to Heinze in my opinion. Heinze was a shadow of the player he had been after his injury and I think United would have happily let him rot and taken a hit on wages and loss of potential transfer fee. It'd be poor business for Arsenal to do the same because they could still fetch really good money for him (look how much Young is going for).
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All fair points, but if Wenger played hard ball and Nasri was left with the choice of signing for (let's say) Milan or rotting for 12 months I'm pretty sure he'd sign for Milan. Or sign a new deal at Arsenal, obviously.
 
Allforone said:
Ill ask you again, for the last time, show me what evidence supports your claim Nasri can play to a high level in a 2 man midfield, other than "in my opinion" you cant,
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Maybe you should show him your evidence. All you've done so far is point out that he hasn't played in a 4-4-2. Seeing as the teams he plays for never use a 4-4-2 I'd say that's a very unfair thing to say.

No big team uses 4-4-2 anymore apart from us, a sad thing but that's what football has come to lately.
 
mufcwarm92 said:
Seriously, making up rumours on twitter just to wind people up and get attention is so sad, especially if it is other United fans being wound up.

Back on topic, I'm almost certain Nasri will leave Arsenal but I doubt he'll come to United. He's a talented lad who could certainly do the job at a top European side - Milan, Inter, Madrid, Barcelona or whoever it may be.
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Barcelona, Madrid don't need him actually.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
I don't think Henize was in the final 12 months of his contract though.
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That is true - he has two years left - but nevertheless Nick's point is valid and I think we're all missing the point that there would be other suitors too.
 
cina said:
He hasn't been selected there because they never play 4-3-3.

What's your point then? You never actually ... you know ... gave one.

"Who gets dropped in a 4-3-3, midfielder midfielder midfielder striker striker"

Spot the odd one out there. Or perhaps you're referring to your earlier statement about Rooney and Hernandez both playing? In which case I say again, how is Nasri any less competent than Giggs if he plays alongside Carrick in a 4-4-2, BEARING IN MIND that we are very rarely reliant on anyone in the center of that park to defend other than, to an extent Carrick.

And please, do not bring up Modric or whomever this time, because I never mentioned them, at all, not once.

Nasri is still a midfielder, is he not? I'm sure he can adjust to playing in a midfield 2.
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Eerm the point ive asked nearing 6 times now about evidence regarding his ability to play in a position your trumpeting him to play in for us, ya know, that point?


And Well thats wonderful, as long as your sure he can then im all for the transfer.
 
I've just joined Twitter because of this thread. Cock out time.

Before anyone says it for the 2353653rd time, yes, he's probably just doing Arsenal over for more money, but can we stop fecking casting huge storm clouds over the situation and live in hope, instead?

Would be an immense signing, in my opinion.
 
Allforone said:
Eerm the point ive asked nearing 6 times now about evidence regarding his ability to play in a position your trumpeting him to play in for us, ya know, that point?


And Well thats wonderful, as long as your sure he can then im all for the transfer.
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He's got good passing, vision, awareness and touch.

You know, all those things that made RYAN GIGGS capable of playing in central midfield.
 
cina said:
Maybe you should show him your evidence. All you've done so far is point out that he hasn't played in a 4-4-2. Seeing as the teams he plays for never use a 4-4-2 I'd say that's a very unfair thing to say.

No big team uses 4-4-2 anymore apart from us, a sad thing but that's what football has come to lately.
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Im not the one advocating signing him, you are.
 
Allforone said:
What about Messi? hes got wonderful technique should we sign him to play in centre midfield? clearly your a fool if you cant see he has the technique to do so or something? you do of course realise playing in centre midfield requires other attributes that arent linked with how nicely you trap a football?

Ill ask you again, for the last time, show me what evidence supports your claim Nasri can play to a high level in a 2 man midfield, other than "in my opinion" you cant, can you hence you dont know, maybe he can maybe he cant the fact he never does dosnt exactly help this trumpeting for him to replace one of our recently retired legends.
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:lol:

You're comparison with Messi is bizzare, so I wont gey into that. The truth is though, he could, but then he'd be wasted there wouldnt he :).

Tell you what, until you answer the questions i've asked you twice, I wont reply to yours.
 
On an unrelated point, ff Nasri does move here despite Wenger's efforts, Fabregas will surely kill his agent. Signing such a long contract was singularly stupid and removed all his leverage and he must realise that now.
 
MacMUFC said:
:lol:

You're comparison with Messi is bizzare, so I wont gey into that. The truth is though, he could, but then he'd be wasted there wouldnt he :).

Tell you what, until you answer the questions i've asked you twice, I wont reply to yours.
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The thing is its not though is it seeing as Nasri plays a lot closer to Messis position than he does to Scholes. ;)

Im still waiting for you to show me these examples of Nasri proving (your words) he can play in a central midfield 2 as you so boldly claimed about 15 minutes ago, ive asked so many times i dont think you have one though, its ok, i thought as much. ;)
 
Can't the vast majority of CM's play in a 4-4-2? A successful 4-4-2 is about correct partnerships, not individuals, is it not? Unless I'm missing something obvious, any one individual of high enough standard should be able to competently operate in a two man midfield providing his partner complements his playing style; one covers the others' weaknesses and vice versa. If you lot were to be believed then 99% of the central midfield players out there simply cannot play without two of their mates holding their hands; has football really changed that much that given a role in a 4-4-2 formation and a suitable partner, so many of the world's midfield players would just capitulate and flop under the strain of it?
 
mufcwarm92 said:
Seriously, making up rumours on twitter just to wind people up and get attention is so sad, especially if it is other United fans being wound up.

Back on topic, I'm almost certain Nasri will leave Arsenal but I doubt he'll come to United. He's a talented lad who could certainly do the job at a top European side - Milan, Inter, Madrid, Barcelona or whoever it may be.
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As I've argued above, I don't see that a player of Nasri's profile would want to go off to Italy. I also have doubts as to whether he'd interest Barcelona or Madrid (both packed with attacking talent).

R_Nick said:
I honestly don't recall so I'll take your word for it, if not then that is a big difference.



All fair points, but if Wenger played hard ball and Nasri was left with the choice of signing for (let's say) Milan or rotting for 12 months I'm pretty sure he'd sign for Milan. Or sign a new deal at Arsenal, obviously.
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It comes down to who blinks first, doesn't it really?

I don't think the "rot in the reserves" thing works in practice. If, hypothetically, Nasri informed Arsenal that he had zero intention of signing a new deal and he wanted to go to United, and Wenger subsequently refused to let him go, he'd have a £60,000 p/w (ish) player sat doing nothing. Arsenal wouldn't allow that situation to prevail.

So they have two choices:

1) Keep the player and hope he's professional; try and persuade him to stay but likely lose him on a free next summer.

2) Flog him and get £15m.

This is, of course, all premised on the logic that he wants to go to United, which he may not want.

I've become a fecking transfer muppet! And I quite like it. :cool:
 
Donkey's Ears said:
On an unrelated point, ff Nasri does move here despite Wenger's efforts, Fabregas will surely kill his agent. Signing such a long contract was singularly stupid and removed all his leverage and he must realise that now.
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I think Fabregas understood that already last summer.
 
Let's not.

Or if you want to start silly WUMs, don't orchestrate them from here. Winding up fellow United fans is not something that redcafe should get involved with.
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I was thinking more to windup Arsenal Fans, but you're right I guess.
 
Feed Me said:
It comes down to who blinks first, doesn't it really?

I don't think the "rot in the reserves" thing works in practice. If, hypothetically, Nasri informed Arsenal that he had zero intention of signing a new deal and he wanted to go to United, and Wenger subsequently refused to let him go, he'd have a £60,000 p/w (ish) player sat doing nothing. Arsenal wouldn't allow that situation to prevail.

So they have two choices:

1) Keep the player and hope he's professional; try and persuade him to stay but likely lose him on a free next summer.

2) Flog him and get £15m.

This is, of course, all premised on the logic that he wants to go to United, which he may not want.

I've become a fecking transfer muppet! And I quite like it. :cool:
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:lol:

Yea, it's definitely a stand off.
 
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