This is truly baffling, what have they got against him? The only thing I can think of is that he isn't Ronaldo, but who is, apart from Ronaldo.
Luis Nani | 2013/14 Performances
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This is truly baffling, what have they got against him? The only thing I can think of is that he isn't Ronaldo, but who is, apart from Ronaldo.
I was on a WUM?
I do think it was a crap performance, he's capable of far better. He created nothing in the game apart from a pretty weak cross that was lucky to be deflected into the path of Januzaj, and none of his crosses or dribbles were effective, I think people are maybe just a little bit biased towards him right now because they're so used to seeing Young and Valencia not even attempting to create anything that it might actually look pleasing to see a player try create stuff, but just because you try to create, doesn't excuse you from playing poorly when none of what you try to create comes off at all.
If Valencia or Young were as wasteful as he was out there, they'd have been slaughtered on here.
Young wouldn't have tried any of the stuff Nani tried, so at least he's making an effort to make something happen & sooner of later they will start coming off, when they do his confidence will increase & so will his performances.
Valencia might try one of two of the things that Nani tried, but with no more success.
He'll come good if he gets regular playing time & it didn't help that both Rooney & RvP were below par. I was slaughtered in the matchday thread for claiming that we would have lost without 2 individual pieces of brilliance from Adnan, both of which Nani had involvement in the build up.
Valencia might try one of two of the things that Nani tried, but with no more success.
He'll come good if he gets regular playing time & it didn't help that both Rooney & RvP were below par. I was slaughtered in the matchday thread for claiming that we would have lost without 2 individual pieces of brilliance from Adnan, both of which Nani had involvement in the build up.
The problem is they are just as wasteful, and have been worse in other areas. You take away the end product or lack of it, from all of them, and Nani is still able to influence the game and be involved in our play to a far higher degree than Valencia or Young in a long while. Both players have issue taking players on, passing in the final third and moving away from traditional wing-play when the game needs it, i.e not just delivering terrible floaty crosses, or drilled in balls into no-one just because you're played into a corner. Nani wasn't able to create as much last game, but he still showed his clear superior quality on and off the ball which is why positives have been picked up. Just having someone who is willing to take on and beat his man over and over again is a massive boost over what we've seen on the wings, bar a couple Valencia games where he did do that.
But the difference with Valencia and Young is that in general they have been playing very cautiously which leads to many wasted attacks and their crossing is generally aimless, being either a drill by Valencia or a lofted ball by Young with no one particularly in mind to pick out. Nani on the other hand put in a number of balls that clearly had a target in mind, they just didn't quite make it, he also continually beat people which opened things up either for a shot or for people to push forward. For the second goal he took on 4 players or so, got in a good position and put in a ball for Rooney, not the best ball but it made their defenders deal with it which let to a poor clearance and then Januzaj's goal. I thought it was a pretty good display, he can definitely do better but takes a while to get that final edge to your game, the dribbling is there, just needs to get his crossing/shooting right. Plus had RVP/Rooney been on their games more then the attack might have functioned a lot better.
I mean it wasn't a shocking performance by anyone in particular, some of the players just looked of their normal sharpness, so I wouldn't say anyone was crap, and certainly wouldn't say Nani was crap because then we'd be saying that RVP and Rooney who were clearly worse had shockers or something and whilst they were below par they weren't that bad.
I mean it wasn't a shocking performance by anyone in particular, some of the players just looked of their normal sharpness, so I wouldn't say anyone was crap, and certainly wouldn't say Nani was crap because then we'd be saying that RVP and Rooney who were clearly worse had shockers or something and whilst they were below par they weren't that bad.
Exactly, and that's my point, people seem so happy about the fact that he's trying stuff that our other wingers won't that they're willing to excuse the fact that what he's tried hasn't actually come off at all.
There were most definitely positives in contrast to the other two but it was still a poor performance for a winger, especially when he's capable of a lot more.
Would you say it was a poor performance in relation to our teams performance? And also including the fact he hasn't had several starts as most have (Rooney, RVP, Carrick, DDG, Vidic etc..)
Hectic is right. Nani goes past players so easily and is just a much more dangerous player. Valencia just kicks the ball down the byline and wins a corner and generally brings no excitement or unpredictable play to our football at all.
I'd say it was a poor performance for a footballer, what more do you want. Do you want me to do a 1-10 rating system where 1 is our worst player and 10 is Januzaj, and base his rating on that or something?
He was far from being our worst player out there, but we were shite, so that doesn't automatically mean he wasn't poor.
I feel Zaha, too, is an adventurous type like Nani. Pity he has not got a chance to display his ability.
Check out the MotM thread, plenty of mentions there although, as already stated, Januzaj saved us by some individual brilliance. Ignore that & it wasn't a great performance overall. I would suggest that take those 2 bits of magic out & Januzaj's performance & Nani's performance were pretty much on a par.
No, answering the question was all that was needed, poor boy.
Nani can do a hell of a lot better, but it's just a relief to have a winger on the pitch that looks dangerous. I was reading an article recently that claimed that Nani still performs like a 20 years old, but I'd take that any day over two wingers that perform like they're restricted to being as boring as a winger can possibly get.
It was a weird question though, wasn't it?
It's amazing how much better an average performance by Nani is than an average performance from either Valencia or Young.
It would have lead on to my point, had your answer been what I expected, as a player for a United XI, he played poorly; however in regards to the players who played, he was actually one of our better players so surely in that respect played quite well.
This, In turn was going to lead me to start speaking about the fact that these 'flair' players don't play just one game here and there and are expected to produce, especially Nani, we have always seen the best after a run of games.... With that being said, I suppose for me, it makes his performance that bit better the overnight.
I definitely agree with the idea that having Young in the squad has reinvigorated my love of Nani. So I guess it wasnt a completely pointless signing. Young is like the equivalent of a new sex toy or some risque role-playing, spicing up an old and somewhat stale marriage. To be fair I guess Valencia's indifferent form has done the same thing.
Couldn't you have made that point anyway? I don't see how it had to be reliant on my answer, especially as it's a point I've made regularly on here myself and have no objection to.
I could have, I was just asking what you thought? You need to realise I don't have a personal Agenda against you, there are only two people off the top of my head I avoid like the plague... you aren't one, I just feel like you love to search for, and start an argument over nothing? Anyway, not trying to drag it off subject, we agreed on the issue regarding Nani.
Something I noticed with both him and Januzaj when they tried to dribble past players; it didn't seem to result in the dodgy situations that happen when we misplace passes, miscontrol the ball or shield it poorly and get it nicked off us. Maybe it commits defenders a bit more, and puts them on the back foot rather than the front. Or maybe it draws several defenders into a similar area, affecting the defensive shape of the other team. I could just be talking shite, but I'd certainly rather have these two trying things in the right areas (which they mostly did vs Sunderland) than see them try and whip early crosses into the box when there's no one there (which they also did, but less than Valencia), or dribble backwards like Young.
Nani vs Sunderland is not a top class performance, even by his own standards. Just that it was better than his previous performances. He still tends to showboat, go for goals himself and for all his skills, he was rarely a threat. I felt the he gave the ball away more than Januzaj too!
Sums it up. A bit under what we'd hope for but still a threat
They both gave the ball away 3 times. Rooney also 3 times. Van Persie 6, but playing a different role up against the CBs. Nani's passing accuracy wasnt great, but was better than Rooney's or RVPs. Nani had 3 shots with 1 on target. Adnan 6 shots with 3 on target. Rooney 1 with 0 on target. RVP 2 with 1 on target.
In essence, what you're saying disputes the facts
Maybe just my feeling on the last sentance, but you missed my point being, it was not a top class performance. I was just commenting on preivous poster that Nani should continue doing what he did against Sunderland and my point was that it is not enough. He needs to improve, massively. Any amount of talent without end delivery is still useless.
Edit: btw, how do you get these facts? Let me know the site.
He doesn't need to improve massively. He's not going to create shit loads every week. At least not when the two strikers are playing that badly. More importantly, his general play is good right now. One week it will create two goals one week it will create zero, but as long as his general play is good, he'll deliver. If he was not involved and was just picking up the ball out wide, attacking and failing I might have agreed with you, but he was contributing to the buildup from deep areas too so that's a positive too. So in that sense, I don't think it's paramount for him to improve big time. He's coming along quite well currently and I hope he keeps it up.
But I agree it wasn't a top class performance.
Well of course it wasn't top class, none of our players put in a top class performance. Even the matchwinner Januzaj, scoring 2 goals on his full debut still made some mistakes that wouldnt happen in a top class performance.
Unfortunately some people have decided Nani played "shit". Which is silly
Nani is so much better than Valencia and Young that it's laughable.
The standards we judge Nani by are so much higher than them two also, which is why I think he gets critiqued more.
We now expect Valencia and Young to have pretty shit games all the time, where as with Nani we expect the goods every game. It's a good thing, and he will deliver. He's already made us into a more adventurous looking team
The standards we judge Nani by are so much higher than them two also, which is why I think he gets critiqued more.
We now expect Valencia and Young to have pretty shit games all the time, where as with Nani we expect the goods every game. It's a good thing, and he will deliver. He's already made us into a more adventurous looking team
Not exactly what I said, and I don't think there's any doubt that Nani needs to improve when you consider his ability. All I was saying was that basically I'd rather have Nani do what he did vs. Sunderland than Valencia and Young do what they've been doing these past two seasons.
Starting for Portugal today. Hope he puts on a show.
Scores against Luxembourg
Lovely goal
Captain as well I see.
how come he is the captain?
ok Ronaldo is suspended. i would have thought Moutinho would be next in line. anyways happy for him
Are his legs too old for the leap? 
doesn't do it much nowadays!
doesn't do it much nowadays!Emphatic finish. Good to see him looking more like himself.
Sounds like he had a good game, and was apparently unlucky not to have a few more goals/assists to add to that lovely strike. I hope we start him tomorrow to keep that momentum going.
I wish they'd give up on this shit:
Galatasaray and Nani Linked Again
The future of Nani continues to, and I know it seems like it has been forever, generate column inches in the media.
Today, it is being implied that the Portuguese international, who netted for Portugal on Tuesday night, is once again a target for the Istanbul outfit Galatasaray.
In fact it would appear the Turkish side want Nani so much that their manager, a certain Roberto Mancini, is willing to offer Manchester United a cool £13 million to snare the twenty-six year-old player come the opening of the January transfer window,
Take the cash quick is all I`ll say!
Read more: http://www.manchesterunited.vitalfootball.co.uk/article.asp?a=335622#ixzz2hyz0N9fN
Galatasaray and Nani Linked Again
The future of Nani continues to, and I know it seems like it has been forever, generate column inches in the media.
Today, it is being implied that the Portuguese international, who netted for Portugal on Tuesday night, is once again a target for the Istanbul outfit Galatasaray.
In fact it would appear the Turkish side want Nani so much that their manager, a certain Roberto Mancini, is willing to offer Manchester United a cool £13 million to snare the twenty-six year-old player come the opening of the January transfer window,
Take the cash quick is all I`ll say!
Read more: http://www.manchesterunited.vitalfootball.co.uk/article.asp?a=335622#ixzz2hyz0N9fN
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