Luis Nani | 2013/14 Performances

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Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber said:
I used my eyes that iis why I said I wasn't impressed with him at all. Apart from the through ball for RVP he did nothing else and I have presented the stats to back that up that very argument.

Use the ball more in his 18 minutes on the pitch. I've seen him use the ball more with similar time on the pitch before.


Riiiight...so because I don't share you view point on Valencia's contribution I never watched the match?

feck you!
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He was on the pitch in a game we were leading and playing to keep that lead. That's what he did. The stats you provided for a 15 minute cameo in comparison to Nani's don't back up your arguement at all. I questioned if you watched the match if you couldn't recall the superb piece of play that created a sitter for Van Persie. If you couldn't remember that then your opinion on his performance the next day doesn't hold up to scrutiny and should be disregarded as nonsense.
 
100 said:
As a result of other players in the team such as Buttner, Jones and Ferdinand. The supposed weaknesses had nothing to do with Nani.
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Nothing? Hard to say when the attacking flow as such doesn't really function. The point was that, while being cautious, it made sense to keep rotation low and stick with wingers which are normally decent defensively through the rough opening of the season.

This patch is better suited to get rotation going, testing out more promising but more risky solutions and getting players going after injury spells ore the like.
 
Brwned said:
Anyone else notice Neville used the dreaded word "inconsistent" to describe Nani? Obviously he's completely clueless like the rest of the pundits.
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He went further than that. He said he was inconsistant during the match. Ie. sometimes he would do something good, sometimes he would do something bad. Heaven forbid a player doesn't get everything right
 
I really do wonder what you lot have been watching sometimes. The Sunderland match seemed to me an obvious example of a poor first half and a very pleasing second half, in which almost everyone played pretty well. Then I come on here and in thread after thread it's wall-to-wall negativity and moaning. Most of which seems to be fantasy, with little basis in the actual game.
 
edn33 said:
Despite playing a good game against Sunderland he still gets a lot of stick. I think everyone should give him a break and reset their opinion on him. He played well and had a very good shot on target saved. He offered a lot of creativity especially when we were chasing the game.

Dont agree he was crap.
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the point is- Valencia plays it safe, Nani gambles.
It's no brainer he loses the ball more often... point is - he will aslo create more.

Give him time and he will grow in confidence and he is a confidence player.
 
Looks very off pace however I'd rather like many have said see him play into form than going back to Valencia wacking the ball hopelessly into the box.
 
Brightonian said:
I really do wonder what you lot have been watching sometimes. The Sunderland match seemed to me an obvious example of a poor first half and a very pleasing second half, in which almost everyone played pretty well. Then I come on here and in thread after thread it's wall-to-wall negativity and moaning. Most of which seems to be fantasy, with little basis in the actual game.
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I had the same opinion we were pretty poor in the first half, started dominating possession but everything would break up through the middle as it was very congested. Second half we improved pressed better and I thought Nani + a few others played well in the second half. I don't agree with this idea that Nani was poor I really don't.
 
acnumber9 said:
He was on the pitch in a game we were leading and playing to keep that lead. That's what he did. The stats you provided for a 15 minute cameo in comparison to Nani's don't back up your arguement at all.
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Utter bullshit. I said he was shit and backed it up with the stats.

You claimed he created more than Nani and that I hadn't watched the match because I dispute your version of things.

Remember: I asked what he had created in response to your 'He created more''. Yet you offered up his once clear cut chance as evidence of 'creating more''. Conveniently overlooking the fact he created one clear cut chance, while Nani made the dangerous cross that directly resulted in Januzaj's winner because O'shea couldn't clear it. That for me puts them level in terms of chances created yet Valencia offered nothing else.

acnumber9 said:
I questioned if you watched the match if you couldn't recall the superb piece of play that created a sitter for Van Persie.
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Rather you merely assumed that I couldn't recall it. Which is the problem.

acnumber9 said:
If you couldn't remember that then your opinion on his performance the next day doesn't hold up to scrutiny and should be disregarded as nonsense.
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I could remember it pretty well. Unlike you though I didn't count it as 'creating more'' than Nani. Which is why I asked you that question. But I'm wasting time with you. You always pull this shit...
 
acnumber9 said:
He was on the pitch in a game we were leading and playing to keep that lead. That's what he did. The stats you provided for a 15 minute cameo in comparison to Nani's don't back up your arguement at all. I questioned if you watched the match if you couldn't recall the superb piece of play that created a sitter for Van Persie. If you couldn't remember that then your opinion on his performance the next day doesn't hold up to scrutiny and should be disregarded as nonsense.
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Let me introduce you to Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber.
 
He needs...and deserves a chance to stay in the side to see if he can string some form together. United don't look as one-dimensional when we play inverted wingers and it frees up space for our marauding full-backs.

Valencia has been afforded so many opportunities in the last 12 months, which frankly he hasn't truly warranted. One nice piece of play against tired legs yesterday doesn't detract from the bigger picture....he's been poor for far too long. Moyes awarded Nani a 5-year contract, a huge show of support, give him the chance to justify it.

Keep him in.
 
Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber said:
cHe was on the pitch in a game we were leading and playing to keep that lead. That's what he did. The stats you provided for a 15 minute cameo in comparison to Nani's don't back up your arguement at all.
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Utter bullshit. I said he was shit and backed it up with the stats.

You claimed he created more than Nani and that I hadn't watched the match because I dispute your version of things.

Remember: I asked what he had created in response to your 'He created more''. Yet you offered up his once clear cut chance as evdience of 'creating more''. Conveniently overlooking the fact he created one clear cut chance, while Nani made the dangerous cross that directly resulted in Januzaj's winner because O'shea couldn't clear it. That for me puts them level in terms of chances created yet Valencia offered nothing else.

Rather you merely assumed that I couldn't recall it. Which is the problem.

I could remember it pretty well. Unlike you though I didn't count it as 'creating more'' than Nani. Which is why I asked you that question. But I'm wasting time with you. You always pull this shit...[/quote]
It was creating more though. Even the stats you used to back up your argument proved that. Every one of Nani's crosses were cleared by Sunderland defenders.
 
Nani should have scored at least one goal, he drove us forward. No complaints from me about his performance.
 
Glad we started without Valencia and Young. Nani and Jauzaj is so much more involved in the play and are more unpredictable. They also seem to make us move more and make the players around them better and more involved as well.
 
What amazes me with Nani is how the entire media, nearly all non-United fans and a large section of or own support are convinced he's shit.

The BBC are the prime example. Saturdays' match report tells us that he "volleyed carelessly across the face of goal from Evra's inviting cross" (that was a well hard chance that he very nearly got right to score what would have been a stunning goal) while another article written the same day informs us that Januzaj's "performance loudly demanded a place in the United starting line-up - certainly when placed alongside another fitful performance from Nani".

I've seen so many comments form dippers and the like saying that they are delighted we signed Nani up for 5 years because it's the worst piece of business aybody did etc and so on.
It's relentless. Did these people sleep from 2010 to summer 2012?
 
Sir A1ex said:
What amazes me with Nani is how the entire media, nearly all non-United fans and a large section of or own support are convinced he's shit.

The BBC are the prime example. Saturdays' match report tells us that he "volleyed carelessly across the face of goal from Evra's inviting cross" (that was a well hard chance that he very nearly got right to score what would have been a stunning goal) while another article written the same day informs us that Januzaj's "performance loudly demanded a place in the United starting line-up - certainly when placed alongside another fitful performance from Nani".
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Yeah, that one brought me up short too. Ok, he wasn't irresistible or anything, but in the first half he was no worse than anyone else, and in the second he looked pretty good to me.
 
MoneyMay said:


Judge his performance. Watch the video, lads.
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Shows the bias against him. There is no way that's a "crap" performance. Heck it isn't even a bad performance. He lacked a bit of cutting edge on the day and Sunderland defended his crosses very well but his general play was good again and he had two dangerous efforts on goal.
 
He not only needs a run of games but he deserves it too. I'm convinced he will start producing more once he feels he's established himself as a regular starter again.
 
Keenst said:
He not only needs a run of games but he deserves it too. I'm convinced he will start producing more once he feels he's established himself as a regular starter again.
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I'm more than convinced. He's a properly great player, whose only flaws so far have been related to injury / inconsistent selection / contract / mindset stuff. All of which cna be said of Rooney, and nobody goes round claiming he's not United quality.
 
It wasn't a great performance but I hope Moyes sticks with him. We have stuck with Valencia and Young when they've been dogshit so there's no reason why we shouldn't do that for a better player
 
It was a good, promising, bread-and-butter performance from a top winger. More than enough to earn him another start.

Watching those highlights, a goal would probably have been a fair reward for his contribution. He was unlucky with that volley, and he also had two very good shots well saved by Westwood, and one nice one from range narrowly off target. And although there wasn't really anyone in the box for his cross to find, he created the attack that led to Januzaj's second with a neat little dribble past a couple of players (of the sort that he produced fairly regularly throughout the match).

So criticism is pretty misplaced.
 
acnumber9 said:
Jesus fecking Christ. Stats are not the be all and end all. Use your eyes. He did superbly to create the best chance of the match and was on the pitch for less than 20 minutes. What more could he have done in the time? Did you watch the match or just go on and check stats to decide who had a good game? Nani was on the pitch five times as long as Valencia.
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One could also argue the game had opened up by the time Valencia came on....I think it's kinda simplistic to say a player that came on the pitch in the 80th minute did better than the one that started a match. Nani is our best winger. He has a lot in his armoury to hurt the opponents than Valencia.

He deserves to start the next game to smoothen the rough edges....
 
Brightonian said:
It was a good, promising, bread-and-butter performance from a top winger. More than enough to earn him another start.

Watching those highlights, a goal would probably have been a fair reward for his contribution. He was unlucky with that volley, and he also had two very good shots well saved by Westwood, and one nice one from range narrowly off target. And although there wasn't really anyone in the box for his cross to find, he created the attack that led to Januzaj's second with a neat little dribble past a couple of players (of the sort that he produced fairly regularly throughout the match).

So criticism is pretty misplaced.
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Exactly.
 
Hannibal said:
One could also argue the game had opened up by the time Valencia came on....I think it's kinda simplistic to say a player that came on the pitch in the 80th minute did better than the one that started a match. Nani is our best winger. He has a lot in his armoury to hurt the opponents than Valencia.

He deserves to start the next game to smoothen the rough edges....
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It's the exact same argument whenever somebody comes on for Valencia or Young. I've just flipped it. The points you make are valid but they aren't applied when it's the other way round. The main point here is you can't say Valencia was crap on Saturday.
 
amolbhatia100 said:
Shows the bias against him. There is no way that's a "crap" performance. Heck it isn't even a bad performance. He lacked a bit of cutting edge on the day and Sunderland defended his crosses very well but his general play was good again and he had two dangerous efforts on goal.
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Cina was the first one who said it was a crap performance.

It seems that due to Young's performances we've all lowered our expectations from Wingers. Nani missed an excellent chance and failed to create a goal scoring chance. It was a bad performance. Having said that he's just come back from his injury so can't be too harsh on him.
 
acnumber9 said:
It's the exact same argument whenever somebody comes on for Valencia or Young. I've just flipped it. The points you make are valid but they aren't applied when it's the other way round. The main point here is you can't say Valencia was crap on Saturday
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I always apply it.

https://www.redcafe.net/threads/ashley-young.333755/page-135#post-14205851

Valencia wasn't crap on Saturday - I didn't see much of him to conclude such. Didn't he tread a good pass towards RVP at the death? He needs to do that more instead of running towards the corner flag before attempting a cross.
 
KM said:
Cina was the first one who said it was a crap performance.

It seems that due to Young's performances we've all lowered our expectations from Wingers. Nani missed an excellent chance and failed to create a goal scoring chance. It was a bad performance. Having said that he's just come back from his injury so can't be too harsh on him.
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Disagree. Don't think it was it a bad performance at all. Chance creation is important as an attacker but it's not absolutely everything. Fellaini had an assist the other day but played very poorly. Nani didn't get an assist but his all round play was good.
 
Brightonian said:
It was a good, promising, bread-and-butter performance from a top winger. More than enough to earn him another start.

Watching those highlights, a goal would probably have been a fair reward for his contribution. He was unlucky with that volley, and he also had two very good shots well saved by Westwood, and one nice one from range narrowly off target. And although there wasn't really anyone in the box for his cross to find, he created the attack that led to Januzaj's second with a neat little dribble past a couple of players (of the sort that he produced fairly regularly throughout the match).

So criticism is pretty misplaced.
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Spot on
 
I still find it surprising that he's almost literally isn't rated by anyone that's not a United fan. You have to wonder what they're all seeing?
 
Seveneric said:
I still find it surprising that he's almost literally isn't rated by anyone that's not a United fan. You have to wonder what they're all seeing?
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As soon as a United player is out of the team everyone jumps at the chance to discredit him. That's all apart of their wish that the United dominance is heading for the end. It has been the case for years and years.
 
The refreshing thing about Nani is that he's constantly trying to create something, dribble past someone or get the ball in the box. Valencia and Young have been passive and playing it safe for too long, letting game after game pass them by without having an impact. It's clear Nani accepts that as a winger it's his responsibility to create. He drives the team forward and whilst Saturday wasn't a fantastic performance from him, it certainly wasn't a bad one and he deserves a run in the first XI.
 
LR7 said:
The refreshing thing about Nani is that he's constantly trying to create something, dribble past someone or get the ball in the box. Valencia and Young have been passive and playing it safe for too long, letting game after game pass them by without having an impact. It's clear Nani accepts that as a winger it's his responsibility to create. He drives the team forward and whilst Saturday wasn't a fantastic performance from him, it certainly wasn't a bad one and he deserves a run in the first XI.
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So true. Along with Januzaj, he adds a sense of adventure to our game that we've bee lacking for too long - RVP and Rooney aside. I couldn't care less if Nani loses the ball the odd time or blazes a few shots over the bar; at least he tries something, be it a long shot or a audacious dribble - it's what I want to see our attacking players do - play with freedom, unlike the likes of Valencia who at times seems to be playing as if he's under some sort of duress not to take any risk whatsoever.
 
Brightonian said:
I really do wonder what you lot have been watching sometimes. The Sunderland match seemed to me an obvious example of a poor first half and a very pleasing second half, in which almost everyone played pretty well. Then I come on here and in thread after thread it's wall-to-wall negativity and moaning. Most of which seems to be fantasy, with little basis in the actual game.
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I enjoyed the game, even the first half. We just werent finishing off chances or making the best use of opportunities to create shots.
I thought Nani had a good game, his crossing may not have been great but he was a constant cause of stress for Sunderland. He takes players on and when he beats them he helps overload numbers going forward. Hope he gets a start in our next game. We need opposition defenders etc to feel that uncertainty when players like Nani get the ball. Play Nani in the next game please, he deserves it.
 
KM said:
Cina was the first one who said it was a crap performance.

It seems that due to Young's performances we've all lowered our expectations from Wingers. Nani missed an excellent chance and failed to create a goal scoring chance. It was a bad performance. Having said that he's just come back from his injury so can't be too harsh on him.
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Obvious WUM is obvious...
 
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