Nani, Kagawa and Hernandez

With RVP out and Rooney should be rested for more important games, I think Hernandez should be starting tomorrow against Liverpool.
Hopefully with Kagawa behind him, and Zaha and Nani on the wings.
 
Oldham said:
With RVP out and Rooney should be rested for more important games, I think Hernandez should be starting tomorrow against Liverpool.
Hopefully with Kagawa behind him, and Zaha and Nani on the wings.
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Think we'l see Rooney and Kagawa starting and Nani + Valencia on the flanks. Moyes will do his best to win this one.
 
Rooney must start. He's in good form, we're playing big rivals, and we've just been smashed!

Hernandez is due a game though.
 
Jaybezia said:
As a striker there isn't a comparison at the moment, Hernandez is lethal, sod the 'rest of the game', we haven't scored from open play, I think Hernandez is needed...
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Welbeck should be ahead of Hernandez in the second striker or left forward/winger role, but right up top it has to be Hernandez. He should have started against city. Welbeck being ahead of him in that position is a bit odd given the record if both players.
 
amolbhatia100 said:
Welbeck should be ahead of Hernandez in the second striker or left forward/winger role, but right up top it has to be Hernandez. He should have started against city. Welbeck being ahead of him in that position is a bit odd given the record if both players.
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Yes completely agreed, as a player Welbeck starts more positions for us, but right up top only RVP is definitely better, Rooney can make a case but seems to be better utilized in the second striker (#10)
 
Jaybezia said:
Yes completely agreed, as a player Welbeck starts more positions for us, but right up top only RVP is definitely better, Rooney can make a case but seems to be better utilized in the second striker (#10)
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If Hernandez can't start even where Rvp is out he might as well leave because it's his main position and he's not going to get games out wide or deeper. However, I guess it was city and welbeck has featured more this season so it's understandable. In the future in general, Hernandez has to play of Rvp doesn't.
 
Jaybezia said:
As a striker there isn't a comparison at the moment, Hernandez is lethal, sod the 'rest of the game', we haven't scored from open play, I think Hernandez is needed...
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Wasn't the CL Valencia goal from open play? or are you talking about just the PL?

Cina said:
Hey, whaddya know, they're actually good at football these lads.
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Really? I thought Kagawa and Nani we OK, and just that.
 
Moyes:
"I have now granted The Caf's wish by playing Nani, Kagawa and Hernandez, at the same time! But as you all know, nothing in life comes for free, so here's a CM consisting of Giggs and Jones. MOHAHAHAHAHA! Now, back to the drawing board... I wonder if I should let Young play behind the striker on Saturday... Anyone but Kagawa! Oooops, is the mic still turned on?! GOD DAMN IT, NEVILLE!"
 
Mad Winger said:
Moyes:
"I have now granted The Caf's wish by playing Nani, Kagawa and Hernandez, at the same time! But as you all know, nothing in life comes for free, so here's a CM consisting of Giggs and Jones. MOHAHAHAHAHA! Now, back to the drawing board... I wonder if I should let Young play behind the striker on Saturday... Anyone but Kagawa! Oooops, is the mic still turned on?! GOD DAMN IT, NEVILLE!"
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Are you that EvilKagawa from twitter? Genuine question.
 
Starting all three at the same time with a midfield of Giggs and Jones behind them was a huge gamble, against a Liverpool side who
apart from Suarez, were all up to speed. Can not be easy trying to get match fit/sharp in a game like this. Thankfully United got the right result and the trio got valuable minutes.

Kagawa appeared to be running in quicksand in the first half, and appeared to give away the ball more often then I have seen him do. He improved
slightly in the second half but still looks a bit short of match sharpness, and maybe lacks a bit of confidence. Still he needs games.

Nani showed glimpse of the different dimension he offers on the flanks. Got the feeling he was playing within himself,simply due to his lack of match sharpness. Seemed to run out of gas. But again needs more games.

Hernandez looked further ahead in match sharpness then the other 2, and showed that if Van Persie is rested or injured, he has to start. It was brilliant improvised finish. It's a shame for him that a fit Van Persie means he doesn't usually start. Hopefully with a run of more easier fixtures between CL games, Moyes may rest Van Persie so Hernandez can start, or/and United can gain comfortable leads in matches so he can have a decent run out.

Moyes referred yesterday, again to the tough start, and the reason for the lack of rotation because of this.
Apart from Shakh'r Donetsk away next week, United, sandwiched between CL games, have a run of easier matches till mid November. So judging by Moyes comments yesterday, I'd expect the trio to be starting or playing a in a lot of those matches at least to mid November. It will be the perfect opportunity to ease the trio in, with a much stronger United team behind them.
 
Seeing that RvP might not feature on Saturday and reading about Hernandez (I did not see the match), I think these three should start again against WBA. From there, we will see how it goes and take it on from there for the match against Shakhtar.
 
Last night showed what we have all been thinking - that Nani and even Kagawa and Her Andes should be starting a lot more games. There was obvious rustiness on show last night which is to be expected, but we still played far better football than what young and Valencia have produced. Our vulnerabilities in defence were caused by a lack of proper CMs, and Buttners questionable defensive display.

Hopefully Moyes will see it the same way because on paper we can actually field an extremely strong XI with the players we have available.
 
Our football's just so much better with Kagawa and Nani even when they're not on form. Can you imagine Valencia switching flanks and playing on the left?
 
Irwinwastheking said:
Because you think someone who is unfit should start a game over a fit player. It's utter bullshit.
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Meh, every one of our attacing players (even with broken legs) is better than Young. Seriously, I am in deep confusion why he is starting/playing games when at the moment he doesn't look even as a Premier League player, let alone a Premier League champion.
 
Revan said:
Meh, every one of our attacing players (even with broken legs) is better than Young. Seriously, I am in deep confusion why he is starting/playing games when at the moment he doesn't look even as a Premier League player, let alone a Premier League champion.
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This is idiotic. You don't play an injured player. It's the stupidest argument ever had on here and that's some feat. This is stupider than arguing there's an advantage/disadvantage to taking penalties left footed.
 
Irwinwastheking said:
This is idiotic. You don't play an injured player. It's the stupidest argument ever had on here and that's some feat. This is stupider than arguing there's an advantage/disadvantage to taking penalties left footed.
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Those players weren't injured though, they only weren't match fit (different things IMO). And of course the broken leg was a hyperbole but seriously Young needs to play only if we don't have 11 players who can play in that game.
 
Revan said:
Those players weren't injured though, they only weren't match fit (different things IMO). And of course the broken leg was a hyperbole but seriously Young needs to play only if we don't have 11 players who can play in that game.
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Man, saying a player with fitness issues should always play before someone else is retarded. It's such a stupid discussion I'm in disbelief you're actually trying to validate that view.
 
Irwinwastheking said:
Man, saying a player with fitness issues should always play before someone else is retarded. It's such a stupid discussion I'm in disbelief you're actually trying to validate that view.
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Well, if the fit player is actually pure shit then...
 
Cina said:
Don't players get fit by ... playing games?
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Much more complicated than that, especially early on in the season. The whole fitness regime for elite footballers is hellishly complicated and starts long before they start playing competitive matches. Depending how far along the players are in their individual programmes, it might even be counter-productive for them to start games.

With Kagawa flying all round the world playing tournaments he was bound to be behind other player when it came to getting picked for our early fixtures. David Moyes even came out and said exactly that. Off the top of my head I can't remember how Hernandez and Nani spent their summers so not sure if the same thing applies.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Much more complicated than that, especially early on in the season. The whole fitness regime for elite footballers is hellishly complicated and starts long before they start playing competitive matches. Depending how far along the players are in their individual programmes, it might even be counter-productive for them to start games.

With Kagawa flying all round the world playing tournaments he was bound to be behind other player when it came to getting picked for our early fixtures. David Moyes even came out and said exactly that. Off the top of my head I can't remember how Hernandez and Nani spent their summers so not sure if the same thing applies.
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Hernandez took part in the Confederations Cup, too, I believe, so had the same disruption as Kagawa, which might explain why he's also been out of the side recently.
 
It's not inconceivable, then, that Moyes was more or less right to regard them as being - well, not quite ready. Nani had some minor injury problems at the start of the season too. All in all the decision to start Young and Valencia in the now infamous big matches isn't as baffling as some would have it. The fact that Young has underperformed so badly has also contributed to the reactions on here: He is capable of playing a great deal better than he did against City, to make the most obvious example.

So, what Moyes has done here isn't to pick a horribly incompetent player over other alternatives just because the horrible player happened to be fit. He has picked a presumably competent enough, presumably defensively stouter and presumably fitter player over alternatives with (match) fitness issues. We all know how it turned out, and we all know how poor Young was especially against City (he was alright against Leverkusen when he came on), but really - the case is not as clear cut as some would have it.
 
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