Oh yeah the same Maribor that drew at home against Chelsea (exactly the same result United achieved)
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Oh yeah the same Maribor that drew at home against Chelsea (exactly the same result United achieved)
When someone skilled on the ball like Nani has the ball in the box, if you lunge in trying to make a tackle you stand a very good chance of giving away a penalty. Best you can do is try to block the shots and cut off his options - which is what they tried to do.
Ahhhhh... Good times...
Are you kidding me? How can you claim that Januzaj is a better player than Nani? What has Januzaj done to deserve this evaluation? Is he one of the best players at United? Is he one of the top three players in his national team (like Nani constantly is)? Has he ever had a season as good as Nani's best seasons at United? This year he is being as inconsistent as Nani in previous years. Januzaj has the potencial to become a great player (i´ve already volunteered to have him at Sporting loaned
so he can evolve quickly ) but he isn't as good as Nani at the moment.Just to make my point clear, of course it's harder to play at United rather than at Sporting. The Premier League is way more difficult and demanding than our league but it annoys me when Nani's good performances are always downplayed for a reason. Of course Maribor isn't one of the best teams in europe but they did alright for a team with so many financial limitations. In the Nani goal, it's a question of Nani's brilliance surpassing the defenders quality (which obviously isn't very high) and Nani obviously deserves the credit for his skill and effort.
Januzaj had an incredible last season? Really. This is exactly why it's untrue that he is in any way better than Nani atm.
Januzaj had a decent season. He did pretty well. Nothing incredible at all about it. Also Nani was not awful at all. He did pretty well but got injured.
This overrating of Adnan needs to stop. He showed how far he is this season. He is not first team material so far. Good potential but by far not the finished article.
Agree totally with this, regaining his form and his confidence and stay injury free - this loan spell could be a master stroke in the end - and we get the old Nani back raring to go
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Based on what? Nani was terrible last season, genuinely one of the worst players in the squad. Januzaj was regularly the star of the show. If Januzaj got to go to Portugal and be their star player for a season, I'd be pretty confident he'd shine too. Last time they were on a level footing, the 18-year-old debutant was comfortably the better player.
There's nothing ridiculous in suggesting Januzaj outshined Nani by quite a big margin last season. Comments like he's twice the player Adnan are extremely irritating. He's having an excellent season in what's a poor league, let's not forget that.
I'd like for him to come back but let's not knock Adnan in order to praise Nani.
I'd like for him to come back but let's not knock Adnan in order to praise Nani.
Why the focus on last season only? If you don't want to consider the levels Nani hit before last season then you may as well be bang up to date in the comparison and focus on this season, where Januzaj's not been great at all and Nani's on fire.
That said, I think a better comparison is comparing their best performances in their career to date. I think Nani's had more of them and they've been at a higher level (against better opposition) than anything we've seen from Januzaj. Obviously, we're comparing a long career from an older player with someone whose cv is much more brief. Still, if we're going to compare them all you can do is look at what they've achieved so far on the football pitch. Nani's clearly reached higher levels of performance IMO.
Januzaj would never be our star player. We aren't a pub team. I'd rank Carrillo and Carlos Mané as better than Januzaj at the moment. Nani takes advantage of many aspects that Januzaj wouldn't be able to use. Nani knows the league, comes from our club, has a manager that knows exactly how to use him and has far more experience than Januzaj. That last phrase is extremely dishonest. I could do the same to suit my argument. Namely Januzaj never had any season as good as Nani. Januzaj isn't a key player for his national team, Januzaj hasn´t won 1/3 of what Nani has achieved and so on. Far better players than Januzaj have failed in Portugal.
Our league although not obviously a top league in Europe isn't poor at all. I'd rank it as average.
Oh yeah the same Maribor that drew at home against Chelsea (exactly the same result United achieved)
Not a single player in our squad aside from Di Maria (who's better through the middle) is capable of that.
Van Gaal shelved the ridiculous 3-5-2 after 3 games which was the reason Nani barely played and was eventuall loaned out. Very short sighted from Van Gaal.
Completely agree, albeit due to a number of reasons, but yes..
Januzaj had one better season than Nani, Nani has produced on a far bigger stage for club & country, Januzaj is yet to.. should he take that up and do well, he can be as good if not better than Nani, but one season doesn't tell a player..
Is he coming back or what?
Tbh, sounds like quite a bit of overrating of Januzaj here, who's still more potential than given.
Not a single player in our squad aside from Di Maria (who's better through the middle) is capable of that.
Van Gaal shelved the ridiculous 3-5-2 after 3 games which was the reason Nani barely played and was eventuall loaned out. Very short sighted from Van Gaal.
We all know Nani is capable of that.
Being capable of doing something (having done it once several years ago) is not reason enough to keep a player in the squad.
I think he is a great talent and will go on to become a top player but he hasn't achieved much so far (since he's very young). I've seen plenty of very talented players struggle to be consistent (including Nani). I´ll gladly retract myself when he becomes a key player for United and Belgium in the near future.
As shown in his time with Sporting he's still more than capable of doing it. Chances are he would have done the same for us had we not insisted on playing inferior players who were performing far worse than Nani ever was for two straight years.
Ya poor was an overstatement (maybe appropriate considering this is the Nani thread)
Bebe was flourishing in that league as well..
We are 4th in the terms of Uefa coeficient but i don't think we are a better league than the Serie A. I'd rank the Premier League, La Liga and Bundesliga as top leagues. Serie A and the french league as a good leagues and our league along with the dutch in a 3rd group. Average as i said in my post.
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In Paços de Ferreira, a team that avoided relegation in the play offs. Now he isn't called up or stays in the bench at Benfica. Already rumours Benfica will loan him to Braga or Guimarães. He doesn't have the mentality for a top team.
Ya. Although there's a decent argument that French League is also better than Portuguese League but that's mainly due to PSG.
Nani is doing it in the league and in the CL.
I sincerily don't see the problem of having Nani at United next year. You don't have top winger choices. Even if you buy highly rated wingers, there's a chance they will take time to adapt. Having Nani around with a long calendar (if you qualify for the Champions League) is a reasonable choice. Who knows, he may return to top form. Isn´t the 28 to 30 years of age one of the best times in a player career in terms of ability, physical power and experience? Who knows he might flourish again kinda like Robben at Bayern. I think he has definitely solved his injury/physical problems. It's a question of having him around and giving him some chances since he is highly motivated.
I'm going to edit my post because i wanted to put Serie A and the french league but i forgot to type it. But you are right, it's just PSG. And the PSG of now because Benfica eliminated them about 2 or 3 seasons ago. Marseille and Mónaco usually lose to Benfica and Porto
Absolutely, and the most exciting talent united have had in a time, but he's still a kid and nowhere near as developed as some people think.
Bloody hell. It's not as though he was sat on the bench for two whole seasons. He played 33 games over those two seasons. 21 in the season before.
7 starts in each of the last seasons and probably very few of them on the bounce. He's always been a player who's needed a run of games to deliver consistently. Not ideal obviously, but with the quality of wingers we had he should have been first choice when fit.
I agree with @akash02 - Nani has always been that type of player, for better or worse. Either sell him or play him regularly - having him starting sporadically is pretty much the worst thing you can do with him.
Di Maria is the same (but a better player) and he was happy for us to go and pay a fortune for him. Plus Nani can play like that, its just for some reason he doesn't always keep it up game after game. But he's had plenty of one-off performances for us where he's passed the ball around simply and nicely and been involved in good passing moves leading to goals.
United staff need to analyse the living hell out of his CL performances and finally find him a proper place in United.
The potential was always there and that loan is one of the best decisions made by Louie.
The potential was always there and that loan is one of the best decisions made by Louie.
Not to mention the likes of Robben for the Dutch team. Nani just didn't show enough during pre-season to think he'll be used much by LVG. He'd been injured a lot for the last 2 seasons and hadn't played a lot either. The initial thoughts were he was more of a forward in the system he wanted to play and funnily enough had mentioned the quality of wingers such as Di Maria even though Nani probably is a better pure winger. With the way we've been playing with Januzaj in the line up though - if LVG had that in mind from the start and Nani had shown what he is doing now at Sporting, he certainly would have been LVG type of player. I do hope we have a way of getting him back in January. We are so lacking for players that can provide the type of service from the right that Nani can.
Not having a Grade 3 hamstring tear for the third season in a row is probably something to do with his upturn in form. He's struggled immensely these last two seasons, but injury has hampered his United career in a very big way. He's probably best staying away from our sickbeds.
Is it?
For all we know he could have played well under the new management and we've certainly played with wide players more than when we sent him away so he would surely have had chances
Rojo hasn't been convincing and definitely wasn't worth losing a player who could add to the team
Its hard to know for sure.
I think that given the lack of games this season it was worth sending some fringe players out on loan to build up some confidence and get gametime that we may not have been prepared to offer. I have no objection to us bringing Nani back in January IF LVG plans to play him regularly to keep his form going - otherwise he may as well stay in Portugal until next season when we can give him the gametime that he needs.
I disagree. I don't think Januzaj is all that amazing as yet but you can see when he plays in the reserves that if he's given space by the defenders he can take the piss. For this reason I think he would be massive in Portugal.
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