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markhrad said:
Its amazing how the perception of some becomes perpetuated and finally becomes accepted as a fact. None of you know Nani well enough to say he his dumb.
Who knows what is going through his head when he makes a certain play.
It is clear he saw someone moving behind him using his peripheral vision and he assumed it was a team-mate. He clearly did not look behind him and assumed it was a team-mate making a run into the box.
His history of poor decision-making is due to him sometimes taken on the shot himself rather than passing to other players in the box. Maybe it is selfishness or maybe he has belief in his own ability.
Nani does not lose the ball anymore than how Giggs use to and when it comes to poor decision making who does that more than Januzaj yet he is not considered a dunce.
Nani has been used as a scapegoat at Utd so for his own sanity I do not think he should return. Its a pity considering his incredible skill level but for some busting a gut is seen as more admirable than making a defender fall flat on his arse.
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Nice post. The bolded bits are something I sadly have to agree with now.
 
Only saw the last 30 minutes but from what I saw, he was their main outlet against a deep and hard to break down Chelsea defense.

He won plenty of free kicks and made some good counter attacking runs, which were only stopped by clever tactical fouls. Overall Sporting were not dangerous enough to test Chelsea fully, but you could see Nani is the player they want to give the ball too.

I hope this loan will help him believe in himself again, and we will see the best Nani back next year. If not then he will be sold in the summer.
 
Aye, classic. Absolute miracle how he managed to have more assists in the PL than any other player in his last 5 years innit? Braindead fecker.
 
Didn't think it needed spelling out but there's always one...

He obviously has bags of talent but if you had to sum up his downside in 6 seconds that vine is perfect. A bad decision combined with a lack of awareness with what was going on around him. Classic Nani cock-up.
 
That gif is an indication that he's still not on the same page as his teammates not that he has no football brain which he quite clearly does and something that should be obvious if you've ever watched him play.
 
That's bullshit. I'm not sure how it's braindead to think there was a player behind him when the ref was there? Seems a simple mistake to make to me. I guess I must be a vegetable seeing as I've often accidentally mistaken referees for my teammates when they're behind me and barely visible.

Basically it's not a good example, there's far worse ones you can actually pick from him.
 
Well you've always had a wonderful bias against Nani so no surprises there. Seems a simple enough mistake to make to me.

I'm not sure how a player who bags the enormity of assists he did could be considered brain-dead, frankly. Wait until you see Di Maria have a frustrating game for us (which he's very capable of doing).

I won't argue against the fact that Nani cocked up his career here for various reasons but being a brain-dead footballer was not one of them.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Didn't think it needed spelling out but there's always one...

He obviously has bags of talent but if you had to sum up his downside in 6 seconds that vine is perfect. A bad decision combined with a lack of awareness with what was going on around him. Classic Nani cock-up.
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That's not a classic Nani cock up. A classic Nani cock up would be when he cuts inside and shoots without even glancing around for a pass. This time around, he had the ball under his control, didn't even bother taking a shot, and was under the impression that some one would be overlapping him as there was acres of space in the box.
 
I didn't introduce the phrase "brain dead" and it's a poor choice of words if you're talking to someone who is determined to be pedantic. I mean technically, he wouldn't be able to move, never mind play football if he was actually brain dead.

A less exaggerated description of the flaws the above vine illustrates quite well is in my first post after that one.

Funny you mention my "bias" against Nani. I got the same accusation repeatedly for my opinions on Anderson. In the fullness of time, my reservations about both players seems to have been endorsed by successive United managers, including Fergie himself. Perhaps my "bias" wasn't actually all that biased after all?
 
I'd be more interested in why four Sporting players all ran through the middle, instead of at least one spreading wide and giving him the option he assumed he had.
 
Cina said:
That's bullshit. I'm not sure how it's braindead to think there was a player behind him when the ref was there? Seems a simple mistake to make to me. I guess I must be a vegetable seeing as I've often accidentally mistaken referees for my teammates when they're behind me and barely visible.

Basically it's not a good example, there's far worse ones you can actually pick from him.
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Yeah, suppose the ref's kit does clash a bit with the Sporting one.....
 
Pogue Mahone said:
I didn't introduce the phrase "brain dead" and it's a poor choice of words if you're talking to someone who is determined to be pedantic. I mean technically, he wouldn't be able to move, never mind play football if he was actually brain dead.

A less exaggerated description of the flaws the above vine illustrates quite well is in my first post after that one.
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But his decision making was usually really good when playing with confidence, like his good spell for us. I'd say his main issue was selfishness more than anything, and often he didn't justify being selfish when he wasn't on form.
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Yeah, suppose the ref's kit does clash a bit with the Sporting one.....
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Great insight, thanks.
 
1. He does not have eyes at the back of his head.
2. He fleetingly saw/felt/heard movement behind him. Maybe he expected it based on training for this situation. Maybe he expected it based on the million similar runs Evra/Rafael have made at that position.
3. Lay offs to the players waiting on the edge of the box wold result in blocked shots, as would a shot if he took it himself.

Put those things together and you get an unfortuante accident. Very convenient to be used to reinforce stereotypes. Very convenient to be used to hide the fact that he was Sporting's best outfield player, and their only attacking outlet vs a very very dominant Chelsea team
 
berbatrick said:
1. He does not have eyes at the back of his head.
2. He fleetingly saw/felt/heard movement behind him. Maybe he expected it based on training for this situation. Maybe he expected it based on the million similar runs Evra/Rafael have made at that position.
3. Lay offs to the players waiting on the edge of the box wold result in blocked shots, as would a shot if he took it himself.

Put those things together and you get an unfortuante accident. Very convenient to be used to reinforce stereotypes. Very convenient to be used to hide the fact that he was Sporting's best outfield player, and their only attacking outlet vs a very very dominant Chelsea team
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Yes, but he missed a pass. He clearly has no brain.

The truth is that some people just make a first impression on things and wheather is right or wrong, they just go with it all the way. They are just too thick to realize that they are wrong or too stubborn to admit it. It's not just Nani's case, there are a lot of players who's threads are filled with these stock opinions after every game.
 
If Nani has no footballing brain then how do you describe Valencia?
 
Cina said:
But his decision making was usually really good when playing with confidence, like his good spell for us. I'd say his main issue was selfishness more than anything, and often he didn't justify being selfish when he wasn't on form.
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That's actually kind of harsh. Selfishness implies some sort of quest for personal glory. He's actually a real team player, when he's playing well. When he's not playing well he's just as likely to lose the ball with a silly pass as he is to lose it by taking too much on. I think it all comes down to a lack of awareness of what's going on around him. All very subjective though. Hard to put a finger on exactly where it all went wrong.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
That's actually kind of harsh. Selfishness implies some sort of quest for personal glory. He's actually a real team player, when he's playing well. When he's not playing well he's just as likely to lose the ball with a silly pass as he is to lose it by taking too much on. I think it all comes down to a lack of awareness of what's going on around him. All very subjective though. Hard to put a finger on exactly where it all went wrong.
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Heh, probably sums up the way he splits opinions then. I think when he's struggling for form he's selfish and definitely tries to do a bit too much himself (taking shots when he can pass) in order to prove a point or get back into the team. I don't think it's for personal glory, more so to make an impact.

The whole thing is as frustrating as many of his performances were. Fecker had all the talent in the world and worst of all, was actually a great player for us at one point, I'd probably be less pissed off about the whole thing if he just went the Anderson route and never actually lived up to the potential he had.
 
Cina said:
Heh, probably sums up the way he splits opinions then. I think when he's struggling for form he's selfish and definitely tries to do a bit too much himself (taking shots when he can pass) in order to prove a point or get back into the team. I don't think it's for personal glory, more so to make an impact.

The whole thing is as frustrating as many of his performances were. Fecker had all the talent in the world and worst of all, was actually a great player for us at one point, I'd probably be less pissed off about the whole thing if he just went the Anderson route and never actually lived up to the potential he had.
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Yeah, Nani has definitely been a class above Anderson. Proved himself to be 100% United quality, over a sustained period of time. Which makes the regression all the more frustrating.
 
I could make the same assumption about some of the posters in this thread (that they are thickos, just like Nani supposedly is) based off the content of their posts... but I won't, because it would be based off of fcuk all and therefore worthless...
 
I think its fair to say that his decision making with passing was always and will always be a bit under par. He had games now and again where he made good creative passes and was involved in good passing moves, but those matches were few and far between. More often than not he's hit and miss with his passing. Its just important to remember that he's always capable of that one pass that splits the defence and sets up a goal. Or more likely the cross that puts a great chance on a plate for a teammate.
 
I'd have kept Nani and let Valencia go. OK so Nani would produce a spark and something brilliant only say 2-3 times out of 10. AV does the same every time - run, stop, foot on the ball, pass sideways or back. If Nani could do more of the simple things more of the time and increase the special stuff to 4-5 times out of 10 , I'd have him back. Quieroz initially said he had potnetially more skill than errr......Ronaldo. I think not now.
 
Dr Fink said:
I'd have kept Nani and let Valencia go. OK so Nani would produce a spark and something brilliant only say 2-3 times out of 10. AV does the same every time - run, stop, foot on the ball, pass sideways or back. If Nani could do more of the simple things more of the time and increase the special stuff to 4-5 times out of 10 , I'd have him back. Quieroz initially said he had potnetially more skill than errr......Ronaldo. I think not now.
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Looks like we will be playing without wingers, so Valencia has more use as a backup RB than Nani would have as the AM or in a striker role.
 
devilish said:
Dont thank us Sly
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What? Don´t thank you guys because of a wrong pass where he mistakenly thought that Jonathan Silva would be there because it´s his usual movement? Movement that they train in the Academy? So i´ll forget that he was still one of our best players on the pitch against Chelsea. I´m still going to thank United. Nani has been sensational for us. Scored the elected first round best champions league goal. Has been instrumental and our main threat at the attack. Has scored (in the domestic league and champions league) and assisted. Been influencial in big games(against Porto and Benfica). Basically been our best player. Why shouldn´t we thank you guys. We get all this and are paying 0% of his wage? Yeah... I think i´ll keep thanking.
 
Sly said:
What? Don´t thank you guys because of a wrong pass where he mistakenly thought that Jonathan Silva would be there because it´s his usual movement? Movement that they train in the Academy? So i´ll forget that he was still one of our best players on the pitch against Chelsea. I´m still going to thank United. Nani has been sensational for us. Scored the elected first round best champions league goal. Has been instrumental and our main threat at the attack. Has scored (in the domestic league and champions league) and assisted. Been influencial in big games(against Porto and Benfica). Basically been our best player. Why shouldn´t we thank you guys. We get all this and are paying 0% of his wage? Yeah... I think i´ll keep thanking.
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It kind of showw the gap between the EPl and the portuguese league
 
devilish said:
It kind of showw the gap between the EPl and the portuguese league
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It´s obvious. But that doesn´t concern me. I´m a Sporting fan not an United fan. So if we get a great player and have no financial obligations towards him, i´ll keep being extremely pleased and thankful towards United.
 
devilish said:
It kind of showw the gap between the EPl and the portuguese league
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Yes but it also shows how Nani can play when he has the support of the manager and a good run of games.
Its not as if he wasn't tearing up the EPL a few years ago, and its not as if Chelsea are some rubbish team he was playing against yesterday...

His time at United is done, but I hope he can get back to some good form, football is a better place when good players are playing well.
 
devilish said:
It kind of showw the gap between the EPl and the portuguese league
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As if nani wasn't tearing the prem a few years ago.... Its just nani needs confidence and a run of games without getting injured, and the faith of the manager in order to perform. He didn't have any of that the last few years.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
I'd say it's fairly uniquely brain-dead to pass the ball to the referee, thinking he's a team-mate.

Genuinely can't think of any other example of another footballer ever making that same mistake.
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Wow really?? I honestly see that every couple of weeks just watching the PL. Players are constantly leaving the ball for the ref or hitting a crossfield pass towards a linesman. It's really quite a simple mistake to make.

Fwiw on the whole braindead debate, his decision making is obviously very hit and miss, however he is very good at times with close intricate passing triangles, 1-2's and such. You can't be braindead and excel at that.
 
I've always rathered 11 Nani's with exceptional talent and the sporadic ability to do something ridiculous over 11 hard working 'does his bit for the team' type players. But then that's just how I view football.
 
Same.

The reason I was so 'biased' towards Nani was simply cause he's a fecking great footballer to watch, sporadic nonsensical shite included. I personally never understood why people on here never took to him in any way. He was excellent to watch play.
 
Cina said:
Same.

The reason I was so 'biased' towards Nani was simply cause he's a fecking great footballer to watch, sporadic nonsensical shite included. I personally never understood why people on here never took to him in any way. He was excellent to watch play.
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I already gave my opinion about this. It´s about his playing style. There´s alot of revisionism in Sporting´s forum now, because he´s the saviour and all but in the past he was a very polarizing player. I clearly remember him being booed multiple times because of his decision making. Alot of supporters weren´t bothered when we sold him to United for that hefty fee but soon reality struck. We were stuck with Valência like players and had no one to pick up the game and create like Nani. He was essencial in our Champions League campaign and Cup wins against Porto. Even so he got alot of detractors because his playing style annoys alot of supporters. People forget the numbers very quickly. Nani is a confidence player. If he doesn´t have a long run of games and support from manager, teammates and supporters, it´s harder for him to get on a roll. I see alot of comparisons (specially with Brahimi) but i´m still waiting to see that player do what Nani did against Bayern or Arsenal. On his day, Nani is an amazing player. But sometimes he is incredibly frustrating to watch.
 
Mockney said:
I've always rathered 11 Nani's with exceptional talent and the sporadic ability to do something ridiculous over 11 hard working 'does his bit for the team' type players. But then that's just how I view football.
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Agree.

Sly said:
What? Don´t thank you guys because of a wrong pass where he mistakenly thought that Jonathan Silva would be there because it´s his usual movement? Movement that they train in the Academy? So i´ll forget that he was still one of our best players on the pitch against Chelsea. I´m still going to thank United. Nani has been sensational for us. Scored the elected first round best champions league goal. Has been instrumental and our main threat at the attack. Has scored (in the domestic league and champions league) and assisted. Been influencial in big games(against Porto and Benfica). Basically been our best player. Why shouldn´t we thank you guys. We get all this and are paying 0% of his wage? Yeah... I think i´ll keep thanking.
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This is great to know. And far more relevant than picking one stupid moment and taking the piss.
 
Mockney said:
I've always rathered 11 Nani's with exceptional talent and the sporadic ability to do something ridiculous over 11 hard working 'does his bit for the team' type players. But then that's just how I view football.
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It's not an either/or scenario, is it though?

11 Nani's in the team would drive me to an early grave anyway. Plus I'd have pulled all my hair out long before then. Not only dead but bald too. Feck that.
 
I'm really rather bored of the Nani debate, (makes sense that I clicked on the thread again right?) from my point of view, Sir Alex, the greatest manager of all time didn't rate him by the end, he wasn't by any stretch of the imagination one of Moyes faves, and LvG another world class manager shipped him out, thats quite enough for me.
Personally I find him beyond annoying to watch, his decision making is attrocious for a 26 (27?) year old player now into his prime, his sprodadic brilliance is far too... sporadic? to warrant his place in the United side.
As a somewhat frequent(ish) visitor to OT over the last decade he gets more groans, moans and abuse than anyone I've witnessed, I was there on his debut infact when I observed the amount of moans he inspired from the crowd, it's fitting his United career basically ended the same way it started.
I don't understand why people on the forums are generally more appreciative of him than the average match goer but lets ship him out at seasons end, get some money in, wish him the best, buy someone/promote someone fresh and move on with our lives, please.
 
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