Nani | Contract & Transfer talk

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Robbie Boy said:
He never kicked on from his form circa '09 - '12. I felt he was really starting to look like a top talent but injuries amongst other things have really stagnated him. I think he's done here and no matter how well he does on loan, he will have no future with us.

He had all the talent to really make it here and it's unfortunate that he couldn't put the whole package together.
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Odd choice of words. Based on his form from 09-12 he had already made it.

Injuries played a part, as well as SAF and Moyes fecking about with his starts, preferring instead an anemic Valencia. It's no surprise that players play well when given a run of games.

He has shown the ability to perform in this league. If he is excellent on the loan spell I'd love for us to give him a shot on the wing.
 
adexkola said:
Odd choice of words. Based on his form from 09-12 he had already made it.

Injuries played a part, as well as SAF and Moyes fecking about with his starts, preferring instead an anemic Valencia. It's no surprise that players play well when given a run of games.

He has shown the ability to perform in this league. If he is excellent on the loan spell I'd love for us to give him a shot on the wing.
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Not really an odd choice of words at all? That's when I was really starting to believe in him. He had shown flashes before that but I felt over these years he really started to find consistency to add to his talent. So the choice of words were spot-on for what I was saying.
 
Robbie Boy said:
Not really an odd choice of words at all? That's when I was really starting to believe in him. He had shown flashes before that but I felt over these years he really started to find consistency to add to his talent. So the choice of words were spot-on for what I was saying.
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Surely when you have been the best player in the premier league for a season, you are beyond 'starting to become' a top talent. I think that's what adexkola was getting at. If you mean top talent as in Ronaldo/ Messi like though then yeah. If he would have kept up that progression of around 2010-11 he would really be a force now, probably comparable to Robben even.
 
justboy68 said:
Surely when you have been the best player in the premier league for a season, you are beyond 'starting to become' a top talent. I think that's what adexkola was getting at. If you mean top talent as in Ronaldo/ Messi like though then yeah. If he would have kept up that progression of around 2010-11 he would really be a force now, probably comparable to Robben even.
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Did you read my post? I said 'circa 09 - 12'. Maybe I should have worded it better. I meant from 09 onwards I felt he could become a really top player and his rate of progression was fairly rapid during that time.

Sorry but I feel he was being pedantic about wording, personally.
 
Robbie Boy said:
Did you read my post? I said 'circa 09 - 12'. Maybe I should have worded it better. I meant from 09 onwards I felt he could become a really top player and his rate of progression was fairly rapid during that time.

Sorry but I feel he was being pedantic about wording, personally.
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Yeah I read your post I think the wording was just confusing that's all. I agree with you, it's a shame it went downhill for him for whatever reason after that period. I think it's better for all parties if he doesn't come back at this point, hopefully he has a good year at Sporting and we can get a reasonable fee for him.
 
justboy68 said:
Yeah I read your post I think the wording was just confusing that's all. I agree with you, it's a shame it went downhill for him for whatever reason after that period. I think it's better for all parties if he doesn't come back at this point, hopefully he has a good year at Sporting and we can get a reasonable fee for him.
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If he keeps his form up for Sporting throughout the season coupled with some good international outings, I'm hoping we can get a decent fee.
 
Anyone see him set up the ref tonight?

If he had half a brain he'd be a cracking player.
 
Still capable of moments of brilliance, still frustrating as f*ck. I like Nani and wouldn't mind him returning next season, especially if van Gaal is to implement his favored 4-3-3.
 
He's thick.... thats not going to change...

His decision making has always been atrocious, he sorted it out for about one season in his time here, but I think he just has nothing between the ears.

Sportings manager was funny after he played that pass to the ref
 
From the bits I saw and the Guardian MBM, he was their best player (apart from the keeper) and only threat, almost scored too with a long-ranger.
Had a shocking moment, and that will invariably be highlighted.
 
But thats Nani all over isn't it? Looks quite decent... offers feck all.... makes one hilarious feck up... that could be about 90% of his games for Utd.
 
Watched the first half. Lost possession a fair bit but was involved in the majority of their good play. A standard Nani performance of late.
 
Eyepopper said:
But thats Nani all over isn't it? Looks quite decent... offers feck all.... makes one hilarious feck up... that could be about 90% of his games for Utd.
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Not really, no. It's the recent version, but he offered a very credible number of goals and assists at United so the assertion he offers nothing isn't very true. He's done at United, but revisionism shouldn't take hold of this thread. He played a lot of good football at United and his end product, in spite of poor decision making, is something that has never been up for serious debate.
 
His end product was pretty much always better than the other options we had. He was at times a frustrating player but probably only so much so because of the obvious talent he had. We expected better all the time because he could be so brilliant at times. I don't know if it would be a good idea to bring him back necessarily but I do feel like he still has the ability to be a good player for us given the chance and a bit of luck with injuries
 
Kag said:
Not really, no. It's the recent version, but he offered a very credible number of goals and assists at United so the assertion he offers nothing isn't very true. He's done at United, but revisionism shouldn't take hold of this thread. He played a lot of good football at United and his end product, in spite of poor decision making, is something that has never been up for serious debate.
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I'm not revising anything but dont see it like that, I'm being slightly tongue in cheek when I say he offers nothing, (I'd forgotten the level of pedanticism you get on here).. he had a brilliant 18 months, where he really looked like he was reaching his potential but injuries and the old issue with his IQ seemed to send him backwards and he's never got back to anything like his best form at Utd.... also don't forget the players he had around him while he was scoring those goals btw.
 
You're all saying the same as me.. has all the attributes bar the brain..
 
Eyepopper said:
I'm not revising anything but dont see it like that, I'm being slightly tongue in cheek when I say he offers nothing, (I'd forgotten the level of pedanticism you get on here).. he had a brilliant 18 months, where he really looked like he was reaching his potential but injuries and the old issue with his IQ seemed to send him backwards and he's never got back to anything like his best form at Utd.... also don't forget the players he had around him while he was scoring those goals btw.
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Well think about the players he would have around him now then. If we're saying he was good when our team was good and worse when our team was worse, imagine how well he could link up with Herrera, Di Maria, Rooney and Falcao. Certainly better than linking up with Cleverley and Carrick as a two man midfield. Loads of people have always said that he would flourish with better players around him who can pass and move properly, something which we've only just started to do again.
 
Eyepopper said:
I'm not revising anything but dont see it like that, I'm being slightly tongue in cheek when I say he offers nothing, (I'd forgotten the level of pedanticism you get on here).. he had a brilliant 18 months, where he really looked like he was reaching his potential but injuries and the old issue with his IQ seemed to send him backwards and he's never got back to anything like his best form at Utd.... also don't forget the players he had around him while he was scoring those goals btw.
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His career rate of assists here matches that of Beckham. Not his cherry picked 18 months, his entire United career, matches Beckham, our best ever corner and FK taker and crosser, at 0.43 per game.
You can imagine how good his stats for those 18 months are.

Anyway, as I thought, that one moment will overshadow all the good in his performance. Which definitely outweighed the bad. He was their only outlet, didn't have a sniff inside the box (marshalled by Ivanovic/Felipe Luis, with Matic covering, is not easy) but made a chance for himself form long range which was the closest they came all night. The stupid backheel also came after a good run.

He started going backwards when he was not getting picked consistently. He has the brain too, he just needs a run of games to get everything working together He hasn't had a consistent run in any side since the beginning of 2012, and it's not like Ronaldo and Robben have been our starting wingers at that time.
 
He was somehow Sporting's best and worst player. Looked a threat whenever he got the ball near the area, but kept standing still on the halfway line then losing the ball, or picking out the most marked team mate on the pitch with an awkard to control, overpowered pass.

Although he did manage to go an entire game without pretending to be elbowed in the face.
 
Ibi Dreams said:
Well think about the players he would have around him now then. If we're saying he was good when our team was good and worse when our team was worse, imagine how well he could link up with Herrera, Di Maria, Rooney and Falcao. Certainly better than linking up with Cleverley and Carrick as a two man midfield. Loads of people have always said that he would flourish with better players around him who can pass and move properly, something which we've only just started to do again.
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He was good when we were good, he was bad when we were good.

His decision making has, and always will, be the one thing that stops him being an effective player at the highest level.

Quite surprised if his assists match Beckhams, because lets be honest, he's not fit to lace Beckhams boots....
 
Ibi Dreams said:
Well think about the players he would have around him now then. If we're saying he was good when our team was good and worse when our team was worse, imagine how well he could link up with Herrera, Di Maria, Rooney and Falcao. Certainly better than linking up with Cleverley and Carrick as a two man midfield. Loads of people have always said that he would flourish with better players around him who can pass and move properly, something which we've only just started to do again.
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The manager didn't want him. If he seen those things in him he'd still be here. Successive mangers don't choose to weaken their team for no reason.
 
Eyepopper said:
But thats Nani all over isn't it? Looks quite decent... offers feck all.... makes one hilarious feck up... that could be about 90% of his games for Utd.
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Agree with this. It is what he has become. I'd say "brilliant" instead of decent but yeah.. he almost always fecks up and costs us games. The guy has no brain but really good feet.
 
People will always pick out isolated moments to enforce their own viewpoints. By all accounts he played very well tonight.
 
acnumber9 said:
The manager didn't want him. If he seen those things in him he'd still be here. Successive mangers don't choose to weaken their team for no reason.
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Well let's not pretend that managers don't ever get things wrong. Even Ferguson was fallible and I do think his management of Nani was poor. The same goes for Moyes, and I don't know why you'd bring him into it considering the multitude of things he got wrong when managing United
 
Ibi Dreams said:
Well let's not pretend that managers don't ever get things wrong. Even Ferguson was fallible and I do think his management of Nani was poor. The same goes for Moyes, and I don't know why you'd bring him into it considering the multitude of things he got wrong when managing United
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That's 3 different people who didn't think he should be first choice anymore. That's quite significant regardless of their capabilities.
 
Ibi Dreams said:
Well let's not pretend that managers don't ever get things wrong.
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He has bags of natural talent, I think everyone agrees on that. But in his 7 years at Utd he was inconsistent (to say the least), his decision making was consistently awful (apart from the aforementioned 18 months or so when he pulled his head out of his hole).

He showed what he could possibly be capable of in spurts but ultimately in 7 seasons he wasn't able to maintain the level of performance he needed to to be a nailed on starter for Utd.

3 managers in a row now haven't rated him as good enough.
 
Ibi Dreams said:
Well let's not pretend that managers don't ever get things wrong. Even Ferguson was fallible and I do think his management of Nani was poor. The same goes for Moyes, and I don't know why you'd bring him into it considering the multitude of things he got wrong when managing United
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Add van Gaal...
 
Its amazing how the perception of some becomes perpetuated and finally becomes accepted as a fact. None of you know Nani well enough to say he his dumb.
Who knows what is going through his head when he makes a certain play.
It is clear he saw someone moving behind him using his peripheral vision and he assumed it was a team-mate. He clearly did not look behind him and assumed it was a team-mate making a run into the box.
His history of poor decision-making is due to him sometimes taken on the shot himself rather than passing to other players in the box. Maybe it is selfishness or maybe he has belief in his own ability.
Nani does not lose the ball anymore than how Giggs use to and when it comes to poor decision making who does that more than Januzaj yet he is not considered a dunce.
Nani has been used as a scapegoat at Utd so for his own sanity I do not think he should return. Its a pity considering his incredible skill level but for some busting a gut is seen as more admirable than making a defender fall flat on his arse.
 
We've seen enough of Nani to know he's dense in footballing terms. Obviously we have no idea what he's like off the pitch but that's not really relevant.

I'm not sure that comparing Nani's decision making to that of a 19 year old in his second season is really a great argument either. Nani is 27 now. This is basically as good as he's gonna get and it's pretty damn underwhelming.
 
Watched the Baca game so didn't see Nani play but I still hope he does well for Sporting, simply for the fact we can hopefully get some money off of him?
 
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All I know about Nani is what I see from him on the football pitch.

Gobs of talent, but no brain for football.

Sad.
 
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