Mykhaylo Mudryk | Reported - Failed doping test

ThierryHenry14 said:
Arteta/Edu so far have a very good record of player acquisition, so I will still give Mudryk the benefit of the doubt. Trossard has been brilliant for Arsenal as plan B.
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At this point most Arsenal fans (including me) that rate Mudryk rate him just because what you have mentioned above.

Trossard has been a real good option short as well as medium term. Also his game is not based on pace. He os lethal inside the box so I can see him being good/relevant for some time.
 
CannonBalls said:
With Mudryk I don't see what Arteta/Edu saw to be willing to spend 70m on him. Sure he has some good traits but has glaring holes in his game aswell. But then I had the same opinion of Havertz and they are making it work to the point no one questions his price now so what do I know.
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If you look at how White and Odegaard launch Saka in the space behind the defender, i guess the plan was to have the same weapon on the left and the provider being his mate Zinchenko. Something Martinelli doesn't do enough imo, he prefers to receive the ball in his feet and take players on.
Chelsea beating us to his signing while Zinchenko went through a bad spell, really saved us from a big problem.
 
duffer said:
De Zerbi said it.


Speaking at a press conference ahead of Brighton's game against Arsenal, De Zerbi told reporters: "Mudryk is a fantastic player, but Brighton can't buy him.

"I think Mudryk can win the Ballon d'Or in the future. I know the value of Mudryk."
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Red flag possibly?
 
mk7 said:
A little bit? The hipsters choice du jour rating Mudryk that high, let’s be at least a little suspicious.
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Well, De Zerbi is a Premier League manager and has worked with the player before. I don't think it's controversial to say that he knows more than us, but putting a lot of weight into what is being said in press conferences is silly, anyways.

And it's not like Mudryk is not a good player. He just joined (was probably forced to, tbh) one of the worst football environments across the top 5 leagues in European football by going to this dysfunctional Chelsea side (and club).
 
Complete shit. If I'm Chelsea I'm selling him tomorrow. He's not going to get better.
 
Rojofiam said:
Well, De Zerbi is a Premier League manager and has worked with the player before. I don't think it's controversial to say that he knows more than us, but putting a lot of weight into what is being said in press conferences is silly, anyways.

And it's not like Mudryk is not a good player. He just joined (was probably forced to, tbh) one of the worst football environments across the top 5 leagues in European football by going to this dysfunctional Chelsea side (and club).
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He is not a good player.

he’s a more skilles David bellion
 
He does have good games sometimes. I think it’s worth saying that. This thread only gets bumped when someone wants to laugh at him, but he has had some games where he looks promising and shows what a future, more experienced, more settled Mudryk could look like.
 
WeePat said:
He does have good games sometimes. I think it’s worth saying that. This thread only gets bumped when someone wants to laugh at him, but he has had some games where he looks promising and shows what a future, more experienced, more settled Mudryk could look like.
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Just to play devils advocate here, when can we expect him to be experienced and settled? He's 23 with one and a half seasons in the Premier League now. Will he pop off in the upcoming season?
 
Mike Smalling said:
Just to play devils advocate here, when can we expect him to be experienced and settled? He's 23 with one and a half seasons in the Premier League now. Will he pop off in the upcoming season?
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I don't know. But he had like 20somethingish starts last season, all scattered about throughout the season. The most consecutive starts he got was 5 games I think, and that was right at the end of the season. He still managed 7 goals and 2 assists, which was decent. To answer your question, I don't know. We can agree we signed an incredibly raw player who was nowhere near ready for PL football, let alone at a club like Chelsea where it can be quite unforgiving and cutthroat. I'd like to see Maresca show faith in him and really coach him.

Players are different though. Palmer had even less pro experience than Mudryk when we signed him but he was a product of City's coaching and therefore he was far more ready to take the next step than Mudryk was. I do feel like next season, his 3rd season here, is make or break for him at Chelsea.
 
WeePat said:
I don't know. But he had like 20somethingish starts last season, all scattered about throughout the season. The most consecutive starts he got was 5 games I think, and that was right at the end of the season. He still managed 7 goals and 2 assists, which was decent. To answer your question, I don't know. We can agree we signed an incredibly raw player who was nowhere near ready for PL football, let alone at a club like Chelsea where it can be quite unforgiving and cutthroat. I'd like to see Maresca show faith in him and really coach him.

Players are different though. Palmer had even less pro experience than Mudryk when we signed him but he was a product of City's coaching and therefore he was far more ready to take the next step than Mudryk was. I do feel like next season, his 3rd season here, is make or break for him at Chelsea.
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He does have pretty good physical and technical attributes to become a decent player. He's the type of player where decision making, concentration throughout a full game, and composure in key moments could make a huge difference, and that is something that I feel like some players can make huge strides in over a short amount of time. Someone like Nani, for example, made significant improvements from 2009 onwards without improving much technically. It was just about putting it all together.

And the good thing for Mudryk is that even if he doesn't make it, he gets to collect paycheck for the next seven years.
 
Mike Smalling said:
He does have pretty good physical and technical attributes to become a decent player. He's the type of player where decision making, concentration throughout a full game, and composure in key moments could make a huge difference, and that is something that I feel like some players can make huge strides in over a short amount of time. Someone like Nani, for example, made significant improvements from 2009 onwards without improving much technically. It was just about putting it all together.

And the good thing for Mudryk is that even if he doesn't make it, he gets to collect paycheck for the next seven years.
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I agree with you. I think if something clicks in his head, he can become very good very quickly. It's like in basketball where young players come into the league and in the first year they're like 'nba level is so fast' and by the 2nd or 3rd year they start talking about how the games slows down in their heads and that's when you see them taking big strides into becoming good players. Mudryk is in that 3rd year phase now where he'll be expected to show some improvement.

He needs real coaching though, and I suppose it hasn't helped that in that year and a half he's had Potter, Lampard, Poch as coaches, and now a brand new coach again.
 
DontBeMeanToBeRuud said:
Would United fans swap him for Antony?
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Yes. Mudryk goes forward. Antony goes forward then backwards, or just backwards.

Mudryk reminds me of Dan James. Pace to burn but rarely knows where he's going or what he's going to do. Could be coached in to a decent player. Antony is just not cut out to be a winger in the PL and needs to FRO.
 
I only saw part of the second half, but his defending and lack of application for one of the goals was shocking.

He reminds me a little of Odonkor. Lot’s of pace, otherwise average in every other facet and repeatedly guilty of poor decision-making.
 
DontBeMeanToBeRuud said:
Would United fans swap him for Antony?
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I wouldn't and I think people saying yes is also a product of frustration after a bad season by Antony, and not seeing that much of Mudryk, so there's a level of bias. Antony was overall very poor this season, but I liked what I saw the first season - not necessarily on end product, which is still lacking, but just his tactical usefulness for the team, his capacity to hold onto the ball and let the block move up, etc. It's a shame he stalled in his second season, but I feel he's a much cleverer player than Mudryk.

In reality, neither are really good enough for teams aiming for the top though so the question doesn't really matter.
B20 said:
Not a united fan, but I'd still pick Antony. He can do something at least.
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Bloody right he can

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Thankfully for them he’s on 20k/week so he can still be an impactful sub like Adama.
 
Rooney in Paris said:
I wouldn't and I think people saying yes is also a product of frustration after a bad season by Antony, and not seeing that much of Mudryk, so there's a level of bias. Antony was overall very poor this season, but I liked what I saw the first season - not necessarily on end product, which is still lacking, but just his tactical usefulness for the team, his capacity to hold onto the ball and let the block move up, etc. It's a shame he stalled in his second season, but I feel he's a much cleverer player than Mudryk.
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The CAF can value a player just for a moment (Like Owen with his winner against City). Antony got at least 3 memorable moments: His debut goal against Arsenal, his winning goal against Barcelona (Who we haven't beaten since 2008), and his equalizer against Liverpool in the FA Cup.
 
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