Mykhaylo Mudryk | Reported - Failed doping test

After his first game for Chelsea people claimed he was the next best thing. Now he is dodged bullet? He plays for Chelsea so i dont really care but he could still become a very good player in a few years.

Also speed, even if its just a speed merchant, is still a very powerfull tool for a footballer. Patrice Evra at the peak of his powers couldnt deal with speedmerchant Aaron Lennon.
 
I will keep saying until more premier league teams get burned by these £100M a pound wingers they won't learn. Shaktar quoted Mudryk's price based on how much we paid for Anthony, which is stupid because the specific circumstances around Anthony's transfer was what made the fee that high in the first place.

Now, not to say he won't come good (might even turn out great) because you can't tell with these things, but that much money usually you are looking for immediate impact and longe term improvement. Not seen anything yet to tell me when will contribute much this season or start of next.

Will be nice to see how it goes for him.
 
As much as it makes sense to wish that teams like Chelsea, City, Arsenal and Liverpool fail in the transfer market, it is really daft to suggest he is "hilariously bad" or to say he will never make it in the Premier League. Not only does he have to adapt to an extremely physical and intense league with a new team, different culture and higher expectations, but he has to do it with his home country in war where people get killed every day and him fearing for his friends' and family's life very likely has an impact on his mental state which will ultimately also impact his performances. He has played 263 minutes in Premier League which isn't even 3 full matches, and we have people already writing him off. It's just weird.
 
zaafi said:
As much as it makes sense to wish that teams like Chelsea, City, Arsenal and Liverpool fail in the transfer market, it is really daft to suggest he is "hilariously bad" or to say he will never make it in the Premier League. Not only does he have to adapt to an extremely physical and intense league with a new team, different culture and higher expectations, but he has to do it with his home country in war where people get killed every day and him fearing for his friends' and family's life very likely has an impact on his mental state which will ultimately also impact his performances. He has played 263 minutes in Premier League which isn't even 3 full matches, and we have people already writing him off. It's just weird.
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He's hilariously bad.
 
Game 1 - The new Hazard
Few games in - "Hilariously bad"

And they say fans are fickle
 
Sandikan said:
Game 1 - The new Hazard
Few games in - "Hilariously bad"

And they say fans are fickle
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Who has said both these things though? Because I know I haven't. Can you actually point to anyone, or is this just the usual idiotic "wow, people change their minds so quickly" post that refers to completely different people?
 
marktan said:
He looked really raw when I watched him this time last year in the WC play off against Scotland.

It blew my mind that he supposedly got that much better in half a season to warrant a £70m fee.

Of all Boehlys signings, only Enzo and João have really improved the first XI Tuchel had.
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I'm not that enamoured by Felix tbh.

I say that I mean he's clearly a good player and he's an enjoyable watch aesthetically but I'm not sure he's worth the money Atletico will want when we have Nkunku coming in and urgently need a new goalkeeper. He also does blow hot and cold in games.

Basically he's the player people deluded themselves into thinking Hazard was.
 
HookedOnAPhelan said:
Who has said both these things though? Because I know I haven't. Can you actually point to anyone, or is this just the usual idiotic "wow, people change their minds so quickly" post that refers to completely different people?
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The general sweeping mood of the cafe. The thread on his debut was full of ridiculous hype.
 
Dancfc said:
I'm not that enamoured by Felix tbh.

I say that I mean he's clearly a good player and he's an enjoyable watch aesthetically but I'm not sure he's worth the money Atletico will want when we have Nkunku coming in and urgently need a new goalkeeper. He also does blow hot and cold in games.

Basically he's the player people deluded themselves into thinking Hazard was.
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For the money no, not yet anyway. If he becomes a bit more assertive and works harder and adds a few more finishes to his game I can see it. He has everything bar the effort currently. With his talent he should really be aiming to be someone like Aguero.
 
Dancfc said:
I'm not that enamoured by Felix tbh.

I say that I mean he's clearly a good player and he's an enjoyable watch aesthetically but I'm not sure he's worth the money Atletico will want when we have Nkunku coming in and urgently need a new goalkeeper. He also does blow hot and cold in games.

Basically he's the player people deluded themselves into thinking Hazard was.
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You do remember you support Chelsea eh? :p

In all seriousness, why would the fact you need a new goalkeeper stop you from buying Felix? :confused:
 
I'm sure he'll get better but it's funny that some Chelsea fans were acting like Boehly had changed football by getting him in for €100 million on an 8-year contract, as if nobody in football had ever thought of that before. What if he continues to be shite? Wouldn't be the first time someone flopped in England and he was far from a guaranteed, proven investment. And what if he just wants to stay and picks up his salary on the bench, you're stuck with the player until he's 30. The fee as well was pretty crazy. A clear example of PL clubs, Chelsea being the worst offenders, of having more money than sense.
 
GoonerBear said:
You do remember you support Chelsea eh? :p

In all seriousness, why would the fact you need a new goalkeeper stop you from buying Felix? :confused:
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As an Arsenal fan you should know that a budget isnt unlimited. Money used on Felix cant be used on a goalkeeper.

New Chelsea owner has been on a spending spree but unlike their former owner Boehly is part of an investment group instead of owning Chelsea as a hobby. I assume he will want to make a profit eventually and unlimited spending isnt going to help with that.
 
marktan said:
Of all Boehlys signings, only Enzo and João have really improved the first XI Tuchel had.
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For me Badiashile's been our signing of the season, he's slotted right in to the starting lineup from day 1 and been very good so far.

He's not better than Rüdiger of 2020-2022 but him having left has nothing to do with Boehly or anyone else from the current regime so maybe it would be a bit harsh to use him as a benchmark and Badiashile's been about as good as can be realistically expected.
 
They called him a brand signing .

what’s a brand signing ? Someone that’ll go on to win the ballon dor. Can’t even get a start in a mid table team
 
Rnd898 said:
For me Badiashile's been our signing of the season, he's slotted right in to the starting lineup from day 1 and been very good so far.

He's not better than Rüdiger of 2020-2022 but him having left has nothing to do with Boehly or anyone else from the current regime so maybe it would be a bit harsh to use him as a benchmark and Badiashile's been about as good as can be realistically expected.
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Never really thought Rudiger was that good actually. He had his purple patches but he wasn’t all that consistent over his whole time with the club. He even admitted to making purposely mistakes to get the crowd riled up, not really sure that was a good idea being a defender but what do I know. We miss his experience and leadership but beyond that I don’t think we have had an issue with defense. We are still one of the best in the league even with a shit gk.

In regards to Mudryk. Hopefully a good pre season does him wonders. Clearly needs time to sort himself out mentally much like Cucurella needed time. Won’t say he is a terrible signing just yet, Salah looked shit when we signed him after all. Young wingers are notorious for being inconsistent, United need to just look at Sancho for that.
 
Stadjer said:
As an Arsenal fan you should know that a budget isnt unlimited. Money used on Felix cant be used on a goalkeeper.

New Chelsea owner has been on a spending spree but unlike their former owner Boehly is part of an investment group instead of owning Chelsea as a hobby. I assume he will want to make a profit eventually and unlimited spending isnt going to help with that.
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As an Arsenal fan I know that, but do Chelsea under this ownership group? Don't forget, this group were putting it out there that this spending was just the start. You honestly think of they sign Felix that would stop them getting a goalkeeper? Come on....
 
He is still in his grace period, so I wont make an opinion on him until he has had a full season...

But I would say the criticism Antony is a little unfair when you compare him to the other big money singings having their first year in the premier league.
 
SirReginald said:
Never really thought Rudiger was that good actually. He had his purple patches but he wasn’t all that consistent over his whole time with the club. He even admitted to making purposely mistakes to get the crowd riled up, not really sure that was a good idea being a defender but what do I know. We miss his experience and leadership but beyond that I don’t think we have had an issue with defense. We are still one of the best in the league even with a shit gk.

In regards to Mudryk. Hopefully a good pre season does him wonders. Clearly needs time to sort himself out mentally much like Cucurella needed time. Won’t say he is a terrible signing just yet, Salah looked shit when we signed him after all. Young wingers are notorious for being inconsistent, United need to just look at Sancho for that.
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Id say Sancho has been pretty consistent Tbf.
 
RuudTom83 said:
But I would say the criticism Antony is a little unfair when you compare him to the other big money singings having their first year in the premier league.
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The media coverage (good and bad) Man United players get is always greater compared to everyone else. You've got a ton more fans so get a ton more coverage. It's been that way for decades now.
 
Watched the game against England. Saka absolutely schooled Mudryk on how to actually be an effective winger. They were double and triple up on him yet couldn’t handle him.
 
Hes laughing all the way to the bank, good bad or ugly hes there for 8 years. Top contract if you can get it.
 
He's got a lot of ability and potential to be a huge attacking threat. I think he has to mature and also be helped much more in coaching.
 
He's the sort of player that should have been picked up for 25 million. Allowing for this crazy market, perhaps 30-40. You can't spend that massive sum on lads in the Ukrainian league. That's nothing against that particular league, but I'd say the same for the Belgian league, or the Greek league. They're leagues where only a handful of teams have any kind of European pedigree, and even that is only to a certain degree. Which means the rest of the teams are of a very mediocre standard, and then he has to move to the most competitive league.

I don't think what they paid represented the risk profile of this signing at all. It was as if they were buying the best Portuguese league superstar. Or someone established in the German, Spanish, Italian leagues. It seemed to ignore the lack of pedigree for regularly producing players that the Ukrainian league has. They can do it and there are high profile examples but it's not common.

Scotland has a greater coefficient than Ukraine! Personally I would say the Ukrainian teams would outperform their Scottish counterparts quite easily, but if that doesn't adequately encapsulate how silly it is to spend mega sums I don't know what does. You would never think of buying a Celtic player for 100 million.

So for me it's not whether Mudryk comes good or not, I don't know the player well and it's very early, it's just very strange Chelsea would do that.
 
Will reserve judgement of him till next season. For a young-ish player it's probably not easy to move to a new country and new club mid-season, and especially since the player in question was someone who hadn't played any games for two months prior to joining so was clearly lacking match sharpness.

Of course the points mentioned above raise the question why he was signed mid-season in the first place if he can't help the team in the short term, but at least this way we can use these months to get him fully settled at the club in hopes he'll start performing better once the next season comes along. If he does, the decision to bring him in early will be looked at as a very good decision but if he still struggles a year from now then obviously it will have been an expensive gamble that just didn't pay off. Either way it's way too early to make any definitive claims about him one way or the other at this moment.
 
Needs to mature and gain experience, obviously. But you can see his dribbling and explosive speed can make Chelsea fans be a bit optimistic for the future. But needs to improve tactically and technically though.
 
ZainCRse7en said:
Watched the game against England. Saka absolutely schooled Mudryk on how to actually be an effective winger. They were double and triple up on him yet couldn’t handle him.
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I would imagine Mudryk under the coaching of Arteta will make him a better player. If chelsea decides to part way with him Arteta may still take him.
 
redshaw said:
He's got a lot of ability and potential to be a huge attacking threat. I think he has to mature and also be helped much more in coaching.
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He needs a proper coach who can develop his abilities as a winger. Being a speed merchant only gets you that far if you can't be intelligent as a winger.
 
He's just too raw at his age. I read that he missed a lot of crucial development years when he was young because of the system over there. He has mountains to climb to reach his supposed celing.
 
I wonder if the fact he ended up at Chelsea during a shit period of adjustment, when he was seemingly so keen on joining Arsenal, has affected him?

I was quite pissed off when we missed out on him. But it seems to have been a blessing in the short term at least, as we ended up signing Trossard and he has hit the ground running. He's been excellent so far.
 
Sandikan said:
Game 1 - The new Hazard
Few games in - "Hilariously bad"

And they say fans are fickle
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The same fans writing him off now would be the same fans writing Gapko and Nunez off, but probably unironically defending Antony and Sancho.

(I say that without checking anyone's posts - and to be clear I believe it's too early to be writing any of these players off)
 
cesc's_mullet said:
I wonder if the fact he ended up at Chelsea during a shit period of adjustment, when he was seemingly so keen on joining Arsenal, has affected him?
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I think people are over analysing him a bit. It's literally just 7 games in, only 3 have been starts. I don't think he had kicked a ball in two months when he signed. Potter immediately throwing him straight into the team was a mistake in hindsight and he was right to take him out of the team and let him catch up.
 
cesc's_mullet said:
The same fans writing him off now would be the same fans writing Gapko and Nunez off, but probably unironically defending Antony and Sancho.

(I say that without checking anyone's posts - and to be clear I believe it's too early to be writing any of these players off)
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None of those will make it as first team regulars. Quote me in 5 years
 
cesc's_mullet said:
I wonder if the fact he ended up at Chelsea during a shit period of adjustment, when he was seemingly so keen on joining Arsenal, has affected him?
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It can in the short term. He just needs a proper club, coach and system to make him feel valued. Not sure that Chelsea is the right place for that at this moment.
 
I don't like to write players off too quick, but I don't see anything in this guy. It doesn't look like a matter of settling or whatnot, I honestly don't see a lot of talent there and there seems to be a level of petulance in his attitude as well.

Nothing would make me happier than chelsea ending up with a bang average player that they signed for a fortune, without knowing anything about, just because Arsenal was trying to sign him.
 
Hasn't really played since Nov so I wouldn't write him off. However, he always struck me as a complete Gamble.
 
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