Absolutely huge money for him but if he helps them to a title they won’t mind that much!
Mykhailo Mudryk / signs 8.5yr deal at Chelsea
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I would have preferred that money going to Leão instead. However, Arteta’s track record with big money signings is impressive so I’m inclined to show faith in this project. Arteta and Edu are thorough when it comes to scouting profiles, and Arteta’s work on wide players is remarkable. Mudryk is definitely overpriced by about £40 million though, but I believe his profile is one that tends to garner huge fees. He’s a pace merchant with great acceleration and strikes the ball well. That alone makes him a £60 million player.
Yes we did overpay to be fair. But let us not forget there were many outrageous signings before antony which ruined the market.
Didn't say that. Just think it is risky to pay €70m guaranteed amount plus add ons for such an unproven lad. This may very well work for you lot and he turns out amazing but big money signings haven't been that effective.
Arsenal are doing a lot right this season…when you are on top it’s a good time to invest.
Less pressure on any signing too, coming into a winning team.
Less pressure on any signing too, coming into a winning team.
And you are sure that he doesn't have those things?
Have you seen post match interviews, jeez I would love to know what the average IQ of a footballer is but I have a sneaky suspicion it will be the low end of average if not below.
It really is a lot of money but we need cover for Martinelli and Saka. Nelsson + ESR are just not the same and wrecks the dynamic of the team. Plus they get injured too often to be relied on.
Not being poor isn’t the point. You said he would be great.
Not sure it was needed to be explained but I mean football iq.
Agreed but the poster said Mudryk has pace and is direct and would be great which ASM isn’t. That was my point.
That’s why i said almost €100m. And is 70 + 20/25 which is almost 100.
No. I didn’t say that, the poster said he has pace and is direct so would be great. I just mentioned you need much more than that. That’s all.
Ok, I get you. I posted a video earlier in this thread (post 81), that although a lot of it is in the youth leagues, show examples of good passing, vision, technique, and as I said on that post, shows he's can go down on his weaker left side that a lot of wingers don't really like to do. The video was to show that he seems much more than a kick and rush merchant.
That still doesn't mean that I don't think it's a massive gamble still, and that Arsenal are very much overpaying.
Its going to be a lot of money regardless but I would hold off about making any assumptions regarding the final fee. Lots of guesswork being thrown around currently.
One significant factor is also that he is likely be on very low wages. If I had to do my own guesswork, I'd say something like 80k per week based on stories I've read, his absolute desperation to join us, plus the fact that he is getting paid next to nothing at Shakhtar.
If we end up paying ~60m pounds as a transfer fee on a six year contract plus 4m annually in wages, his amortized cost would be 14 per year, which isn't bad, and he will retain a lot of transfer market value with such low wages even if he doesn't make it at Arsenal. You sign a "free transfer" like Willian for 200k per week and you are paying 10m per year for somebody with no asset value. The wages also make it a totally different situation from signing a player like Sancho even if the transfer fees don't seem that different. Its 14m a year amortized versus 30m a year.
No matter how we spin it Arsenal is overpaid for him for what he is today. However Arteta obviously wants him only so it is what it is. Just hope he is not Pepe mark II.
I agree it'll be an overpay but that's what tends to happen in the January window if you want a good player.
The real lesson is that if we liked the player so much we should have just bought him over the summer.
You're not wrong tbh. Just thought that Traore was the perfect and not so much ASM but the point still stands
Edu tried and put off by the price in summer. Now he is even more expensive, but Arsenal has a great chance to secure top 4 so may be they are willing to invest the CL money earlier to the team.
In terms of financing a squad rebuild it also helps when you have a forward line currently of Saka, Nketiah and Martinelli that has cost a combined £6m, with ESR as well in behind that. Perhaps that allows you a gamble or 2.
I kind of used that in my head to help absorb the disaster of the Pepe transfer. I hope I'm not having to do the same with Mudryk.
I'm not saying that I disagree with you. But Arsenal being so close to the title is a once in a lifetime opportunity and the decisoin makers obviously think this is a risk worth taking. Personally I'd have gone for a Partey backup, but I doubt there's anyone worthwhile available in January.
They are the only club in the world who has shown willingness to pay what Shaktar demands. He gets a chance to go from ukrainian league to PL so of course he wants to move.
I am pretty certain he would have no problem to play for PSG, City, Bayern, Barcelona or Real Madrid if they come calling.
Telegraph reporting £80m fee.
It literally says potentially rising to £80m in the headline…..
A lot of those add ons will be hard to achieve ones too.
What’s the details on the the add ons?
Early reports seems to suggest the upfront fee is close to £60m, with around £20m on harder to achieve add ons. The logic for this speculation was that arsenal agreed a much larger fee upfront in order for the add ons to be harder to achieve. This is the sort of structure of deal we should have agreed for Antony. Instead we agreed to €95m upfront with just €5m in add ons.
It's a lot of money for a player who doesn't come in as an automatic starter
I mean you’ve switched between Euros and Pounds here.
Antony is £84m
Mudryk £80m
Not sure how it’s all broken down
Yes I did because I knew the exact breakdown of Antony’s fee in euros, the exact breakdown of Mudryk’s add ons aren’t known yet.
Ok.
Both an awful lot of money and not much in it at all.
Will be one of the biggest ever January signings I imagine?
Well Mudryk will cost £60m for sure, and I am heavily expecting the £20m to he hard to achieve and based on us winning titles and him doing well individually, in which case, the £20m will be worth it.
Antony was £81m upfront for sure, and £4m in add ons.
The difference is actually relatively decent, even though the final price is similar in potential.
That's of course if you just think of transfers as fees and not as armotised with wages added in.
But yeah, it is an awful lot of money fee wise.
Fair point. This is your club's golden chance so better to spend it now than ever.
I would rather believe he is added to the team to provide competition for the Left winger, and to maintain the challenge for a top 4 spot. He is not a proven player with 15 league goals a season and it is unrealistic to expect him to help the team to challenge for the title.
The players Arteta normally subs are the fullbacks and the forwards. Mudryk now gives Arteta two excellent options of the bench. Whether its Zinchenko/Tierney, White/Tomiyasu, Saka/Martinelli/ESR/Mudryk, Jesus/Nketiah. Signing Mudryk is an aggressive move that will enhance our matchday performance.
Signing a Partey back up would have been a defensive and passive signing, wouldn't have improvised matchday performance and would simply act as a safety net sitting on the bench depending on Parteys availability. Thats not in keeping with Arteta who has shown himself to be a highly aggressive manager, rather than a cautious defensive nervous nelly always fretting about 'what could go wrong'.
I remember post the Arsenal Man United match at Old Trafford, Gary Neville was criticizing Arteta as 'naive' due to the how high the Arsenal line was. It was in that moment I knew Neville didnt understand Arteta and the team Arteta is trying to put together.
Arteta is a highly aggressive manager. Thats why he has gone for Mudryk.
Just to manage my expectation so i won't be too disappointed in the end of the season. If we lose to Spurs, Untied and or City we are back in top 4 fight.
Check out Fofana’s thread on Foxestalk. They absolutely loved it when he threw his toys out of the pram to force a move to Leicester but they thought he was a scumbag and everything that’s wrong with modern football when he did the same to move to Chelsea.
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