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Pughnichi said:
Id just merely encourage you (I’m sure you do) to do your own research. What was listed is being widely reported.

Problem being…and I’ve alluded to it previously. I’ll find left leaning and you’ll find right. I’m right. You’re right. Who knows anymore. And then, again suggested previously, it all becomes a mud slinging contest. It’s quite ridiculous. But, it also shouldn’t allow some in here to start labelling others Nazi sympathisers and bigots. It’s not well received and certainly isn’t reciprocated

Hillary’s emails. The origins of the Durham report, Russian collusion, the weaponisation of DOJ, the denial of a border problem, a certain laptop existence. The elites (who I do not trust) have tried to hamper trump at every single step - which in my mind sets off alarm bells. I’m also well aware that it works both ways and similarly the red ‘side’ are battling equally as hard. I’m sure you’ll also have opinions on these ‘things’ but I refer you back to my second paragraph

I’ve said off the bat I wasn’t a fan of musk

I’ve said off the bat I don’t think USAID spend should be prevented but rather unnecessary spend get looked at

I’ve said off the bat that much of their spend is necessary and should continue

Turns out as well, from reading, that there was a 90 day freeze on USAID spend with….IMPORTANTLY….a waiver on humanitarian projects - which is of course sensible and necessary
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People have done that research, quoting your posts so you can see the results. You are choosing to ignore it
 
Withnail said:
Imagine non-ironically using the retort 'do your own research'
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People who say it and mean it are, funnily enough, those who have done zero research other than googling the phrase that aligns with their belief. There was a comedy short about google years ago that showed an anti-vaxxer being shown all the research that vaccines don't cause autism, which was a huge pile, then being shown something that shows they do, and it was one one piece of paper. She grabs the single piece of paper aligning with her belief and proudly proclaims, "Hah, I knew it."
 
"Left says one thing, far right says another, who knows I give up" is exactly the central tactic of Russian propaganda.

Prolly just a coincidence though.
 
Beans said:
"Left says one thing, far right says another, who knows I give up" is exactly the central tactic of Russian propaganda.

Prolly just a coincidence though.
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I am a centrist and I take offense with that.
 
The elites that tried to hamper Trump is my favorite.
 
Pughnichi said:
Id just merely encourage you (I’m sure you do) to do your own research. What was listed is being widely reported.

Problem being…and I’ve alluded to it previously. I’ll find left leaning and you’ll find right. I’m right. You’re right. Who knows anymore. And then, again suggested previously, it all becomes a mud slinging contest. It’s quite ridiculous. But, it also shouldn’t allow some in here to start labelling others Nazi sympathisers and bigots. It’s not well received and certainly isn’t reciprocated

Hillary’s emails. The origins of the Durham report, Russian collusion, the weaponisation of DOJ, the denial of a border problem, a certain laptop existence. The elites (who I do not trust) have tried to hamper trump at every single step - which in my mind sets off alarm bells. I’m also well aware that it works both ways and similarly the red ‘side’ are battling equally as hard. I’m sure you’ll also have opinions on these ‘things’ but I refer you back to my second paragraph

I’ve said off the bat I wasn’t a fan of musk

I’ve said off the bat I don’t think USAID spend should be prevented but rather unnecessary spend get looked at

I’ve said off the bat that much of their spend is necessary and should continue

Turns out as well, from reading, that there was a 90 day freeze on USAID spend with….IMPORTANTLY….a waiver on humanitarian projects - which is of course sensible and necessary
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I have done the research and I'm telling you without any ill-intention that every single things you mentioned is a lie or a gross distortion of reality, some of these aren't even from USAID, like the "DEI Musical" in Ireland which is from the State Department. And posters have already mentioned a number of other fallacies.

I invite you to actually do your research instead of parroting widely reported BS.
 
Pughnichi said:
Id just merely encourage you (I’m sure you do) to do your own research. What was listed is being widely reported.

Problem being…and I’ve alluded to it previously. I’ll find left leaning and you’ll find right. I’m right. You’re right. Who knows anymore. And then, again suggested previously, it all becomes a mud slinging contest. It’s quite ridiculous. But, it also shouldn’t allow some in here to start labelling others Nazi sympathisers and bigots. It’s not well received and certainly isn’t reciprocated

Hillary’s emails. The origins of the Durham report, Russian collusion, the weaponisation of DOJ, the denial of a border problem, a certain laptop existence. The elites (who I do not trust) have tried to hamper trump at every single step - which in my mind sets off alarm bells. I’m also well aware that it works both ways and similarly the red ‘side’ are battling equally as hard. I’m sure you’ll also have opinions on these ‘things’ but I refer you back to my second paragraph

I’ve said off the bat I wasn’t a fan of musk

I’ve said off the bat I don’t think USAID spend should be prevented but rather unnecessary spend get looked at

I’ve said off the bat that much of their spend is necessary and should continue

Turns out as well, from reading, that there was a 90 day freeze on USAID spend with….IMPORTANTLY….a waiver on humanitarian projects - which is of course sensible and necessary
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Trump is one of the Elites. Or do you think that "the elites" is a binary group of people with an agreed upon world view?
 
Raven said:
Trump is one of the Elites. Or do you think that "the elites" is a binary group of people with an agreed upon world view?
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Even then the elites largely share Trump's views. As far as I know the ones that don't are the exception.
 
4bars said:
Never reached 1 dollar
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:lol:

i mean this team of dodgy feckers attempting to crawl through govermenment data. I'm sure anyone with entry level IT knowledge would say this shit is actually alarming?
 
afrocentricity said:
:lol:

i mean this team of dodgy feckers attempting to crawl through govermenment data. I'm sure anyone with entry level IT knowledge would say this shit is actually alarming?
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They are 19-24 neonazis. I can't help to picture them shouting to senior government career workers like young SS little shits to jews at any WWII hollywood movie
 
Pughnichi said:
Id just merely encourage you (I’m sure you do) to do your own research. What was listed is being widely reported.
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I did and found your list to be lies, and I explained why in my post.

You can't just post something like that and then ignore the criticism. And it's an intellectual cop-out to just say that there are two sides to everything. Some things just aren't true, and in this case, it appears the list is s propaganda lie. So what's your response to the criticism @JPRouve and I posted?

Here are the posts again:
Cheimoon said:
I'm not clicking on all the links and trash sources, but if I look at just these two:

“Hundreds of thousands of meals that went to al Qaeda-affiliated fighters in Syria”
The article linked explains that "Mahmoud Al Hafyan, who ran the organization’s Syrian division, skimmed as much as $10 million worth of meals funded by the U.S. Agency for International Development. The meals were supposed to go to Syrian civil war refugees. Mr. Al Hafyan allowed members of the Nusra Front, an al Qaeda-linked terrorist organization, to collect the meals, U.S. investigators said as they unsealed an indictment last week." So that's not USAID policy, it's an illegal diversion of funds that's facing criminal investigation.

"$6 million to fund tourism in Egypt"
The article linked explains that this is actually development support for the North Sinai region: "The amendment to the North Sinai bilateral assistance agreement supports the Egyptian government’s efforts to spur inclusive economic development in the governorate. Through this agreement, USAID will build on previous investments in North Sinai including the provision of potable water to 300,000 residents and wastewater services to 100,000 residents. New activities under this amendment will provide access to transportation for rural communities and economic livelihood programming for families."

And that, @Pughnichi, is why your list means nothing as it is. Just in these two examples we see how the headlines complete distort what actually happened. I'm not going to go through all the rest; it's up to you now to do the due diligence on your own post and demonstrate how that list proves anything.
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JPRouve said:
It's the same story for all of them. You have a headline that says one thing, the article that tries to push the same narrative and the quote says something else. For example the Breibart article about opium is actually about that:

"In some areas, development programs inadvertently supported poppy production. One example of this was the rehabilitation and development of irrigation systems. USAID reported that ADP East and South rehabilitated canals that increased the productivity of 113,808 hectares of land.

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Geospatial data derived from satellite imagery shows that, in some areas, the [USAID’s Kandahar Food Zone program] KFZ’s focus on irrigation facilitated an increase in the amount of land dedicated to agriculture under the improved canal systems, but also contributed to rising levels of opium poppy cultivation."
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Pughnichi said:
Id just merely encourage you (I’m sure you do) to do your own research. What was listed is being widely reported.

Problem being…and I’ve alluded to it previously. I’ll find left leaning and you’ll find right. I’m right. You’re right. Who knows anymore. And then, again suggested previously, it all becomes a mud slinging contest. It’s quite ridiculous. But, it also shouldn’t allow some in here to start labelling others Nazi sympathisers and bigots. It’s not well received and certainly isn’t reciprocated

Hillary’s emails. The origins of the Durham report, Russian collusion, the weaponisation of DOJ, the denial of a border problem, a certain laptop existence. The elites (who I do not trust) have tried to hamper trump at every single step - which in my mind sets off alarm bells. I’m also well aware that it works both ways and similarly the red ‘side’ are battling equally as hard. I’m sure you’ll also have opinions on these ‘things’ but I refer you back to my second paragraph

I’ve said off the bat I wasn’t a fan of musk

I’ve said off the bat I don’t think USAID spend should be prevented but rather unnecessary spend get looked at

I’ve said off the bat that much of their spend is necessary and should continue

Turns out as well, from reading, that there was a 90 day freeze on USAID spend with….IMPORTANTLY….a waiver on humanitarian projects - which is of course sensible and necessary
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The irony of posting that list and saying “do your research”. :lol: FFS this planet has become a joke.
 
Cheimoon said:
I did and found your list to be lies, and I explained why in my post.

You can't just post something like that and then ignore the criticism. And it's an intellectual cop-out to just say that there are two sides to everything. Some things just aren't true, and in this case, it appears the list is s propaganda lie. So what's your response to the criticism @JPRouve and I posted?

Here are the posts again:
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You can add the transgender clinic which is in fact part of an HIV management program in India. Now on that one I think that it wasn't necessarily a good idea to label it as the first transgender clinic while it's seemingly true, it's not the point of the clinic, also the USAID didn't specifically fund it, they funded the Accelerate program.

I already mentioned the irish one which doesn't concern the USAID. The peruvian comic has also nothing to do with USAID, it's part of the Fullbright program which is also funded by the State Department.
 
Raven said:
Trump is one of the Elites. Or do you think that "the elites" is a binary group of people with an agreed upon world view?
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Hmm did you read the post? If so, you weren’t paying attention.

It clearly says ‘I’m also well aware that it works both ways and similarly the red ‘side’ are battling equally as hard’
 
Pughnichi said:
Hmm did you read the post? If so, you weren’t paying attention.

It clearly says ‘I’m also well aware that it works both ways and similarly the red ‘side’ are battling equally as hard’
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Are you paying attention to events? Because if you were I don't think you would have wrote this: "Hillary’s emails. The origins of the Durham report, Russian collusion, the weaponisation of DOJ, the denial of a border problem, a certain laptop existence. The elites (who I do not trust) have tried to hamper trump at every single step - which in my mind sets off alarm bells."

A laundry list of far-right wing propaganda buzzwords. Also, Trump (and his elite billionaire buddies like Musk, Thiel, Adelson) insane actions are what should be setting off alarm bells to you and everyone else.
 
Quality control
SirAF said:
Equally as hard :lol:
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Giggity
oneniltothearsenal said:
Are you paying attention to events? Because if you were I don't think you would have wrote this: "Hillary’s emails. The origins of the Durham report, Russian collusion, the weaponisation of DOJ, the denial of a border problem, a certain laptop existence. The elites (who I do not trust) have tried to hamper trump at every single step - which in my mind sets off alarm bells."

A laundry list of far-right wing propaganda buzzwords. Also, Trump (and his elite billionaire buddies like Musk, Thiel, Adelson) insane actions are what should be setting off alarm bells to you and everyone else.
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I really can’t be arsed. But I’ll nibble re propaganda buzzwords. Hillary admitted her mistake, apologised and took full responsibility. No problem at the border!! Really hahaha. You and Mayorkas would get on well. The laptop that doesn’t exist was used against Hunter for his recent charges

Chooo chooo. Next stop The Department of Education….
 
Pughnichi said:
Giggity

I really can’t be arsed. But I’ll nibble re propaganda buzzwords. Hillary admitted her mistake, apologised and took full responsibility. No problem at the border!! Really hahaha. You and Mayorkas would get on well. The laptop that doesn’t exist was used against Hunter for his recent charges

Chooo chooo. Next stop The Department of Education….
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Showing your true colours. I guess the way politics is going it’s safe for you to crawl out from under your rock now
 
Pughnichi said:
Giggity

I really can’t be arsed. But I’ll nibble re propaganda buzzwords. Hillary admitted her mistake, apologised and took full responsibility. No problem at the border!! Really hahaha. You and Mayorkas would get on well. The laptop that doesn’t exist was used against Hunter for his recent charges

Chooo chooo. Next stop The Department of Education….
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You're coming across really badly in this thread.

You're posting a lot of half-truths and misinformation and ignoring most of the reasoned responses.

Choo choooo!!
 
Pughnichi said:
Giggity

I really can’t be arsed. But I’ll nibble re propaganda buzzwords. Hillary admitted her mistake, apologised and took full responsibility. No problem at the border!! Really hahaha. You and Mayorkas would get on well. The laptop that doesn’t exist was used against Hunter for his recent charges

Chooo chooo. Next stop The Department of Education….
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Clearly a fan of Trump and Musk then.

Do you genuinely believe that America will be in a better place after this Trump presidency?

If so, why? What do you anticipate he will do?
 
golden_blunder said:
Showing your true colours. I guess the way politics is going it’s safe for you to crawl out from under your rock now
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I merely I dropped some reported findings yday and people lost their shit

Can somebody. Anybody. Maybe you?….please tell what the problem is going into government agencies and looking at their finances? I just can’t see a problem with that.

Why is it so triggering to people. Any money saved is surely a good thing right?…right?
 
Pughnichi said:
I merely I dropped some reported findings yday and people lost their shit

Can somebody. Anybody. Maybe you?….please tell what the problem is going into government agencies and looking at their finances? I just can’t see a problem with that.

Why is it so triggering to people. Any money saved is surely a good thing right?…right?
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You’ve been defending Nazi salutes, saying it’s poor journalism and then seem to have no issue with someone unelected having no governance recruiting people from University to axe lots of people’s jobs with no oversight. Another Musk boot licker.
 
Pughnichi said:
I merely I dropped some reported findings yday and people lost their shit

Can somebody. Anybody. Maybe you?….please tell what the problem is going into government agencies and looking at their finances? I just can’t see a problem with that.

Why is it so triggering to people. Any money saved is surely a good thing right?…right?
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Much of the report items are being debunked or there is more context. As many have posted.

Coming in here and posting with glee “choo choo next stop department of education” makes you sound immature at best but more likely the opinion of someone who has fully bought into the right. Hence your defence of the likes of Trump and musk.
 
Tarrou said:
You're coming across really badly in this thread.

You're posting a lot of half-truths and misinformation and ignoring most of the reasoned responses.

Choo choooo!!
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It's always the same with these guys though, and always has been..... Makes you wonder
 
TheGame said:
Why is a Nazi apologist being allowed to continue to post? He clearly said the Nazi salute was poor journalism.
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I say let them expose themselves, he's probably going to get himself banned at some point.... to my mind most of them are ignorant trolls that hide behind the misinformation (often knowingly) to avoid disclosing their real motivations.

But maybe I'm wrong about this one?
 
Pughnichi said:
What was listed is being widely reported.
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I love that "widely reported" = "having 1 vague mention on twitter of a guy with a massive history of lying and a massive incentive to lie on this particular issue without any verifiable sources". Every, fecking, time.
 
afrocentricity said:
I say let them expose themselves, he's probably going to get himself banned at some point.... to my mind most of them are ignorant trolls that hide behind the misinformation (often knowingly) to avoid disclosing their real motivations.

But maybe I'm wrong about this one?
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Didn’t they expose themselves the second they were denying the Nazi salute? I don’t see what more exposure is necessary. Especially since it’s clear what their shtick is and as they clearly refuse to engage with the many counter arguments brought forward.
 
HTG said:
Didn’t they expose themselves the second they were denying the Nazi salute? I don’t see what more exposure is necessary. Especially since it’s clear what their shtick is and as they clearly refuse to engage with the many counter arguments brought forward.
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I don't really care to be honest, we used to have fun with them but nowadays I'm more jaded
 
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