Emery shook hand with Maguire at the weekend when Maguire was ready to come on. Last January, Maguire was with his agent in Birmingham, right? Finger crossed.
MUFC are looking at a budget of about £100m, due to FFP (The Athletic)
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This 100m budget coupled with our serious need elsewhere is why we shouldn't keep weghorst or sabitzer...Sabitzer is not worth while addition btw. So many games where it just passes him by...he works hard but rarely wins the ball...he passes well but rarely makes any incisive passes or rarely controls the game. Generally sabtizer is bang average and its so obvious why he has failed to get into the bayern team. Sabitzer is just donny van de beek 2.0. We need to get rid of such players who are not good at any phase of the game. We have wayy too many of them. Mctominay falls in this bucket. With such a small budget we need to release or sell all these players and bring in 2 midfield options that know what they are doing
Less?
It is that motor you think no one will buy until you put it up for sale ,you cross your fingers and hope his lack of minutes plus his ego gets him out the door as playing in the euros is a risk due to his position at Old Trafford. My father would say there is an ass for every seat as far as sales go. In relation to players to look at? Sesko should be revisted his stock is down but he is only 19 and if he fitted the bill last summer then a quiet season shouldn't put us off knowing that Leipzig could take a bid that is positive to their FFp rules. Šutalo consider as understudy to Varane. Danilo/ Forest. On top of this I would have the scouts and transfer team on yellow cards and told earn your money and get us at least one diamond in the rough at value or pack your bags. FFP rules really dictate at this moment in time so Kane and the likes are not possible and will just add to our financial woes and Levy would damage us by bleeding our transfer budget dry. We need to build depth in the squad not "Trophy" signings to pacify the masses. Finally we are kidding ourselves on with the likes of Martial, look down the league and see how far you get with the one question , would I swap our no.9 for theirs. There is a reason we won titles . McClair Sheringham Cole ,Hernandez, Rooney ,Berbatov, Yorke, Solskjaer, Hughes, Cantona, RVN, RVP, Young Ronaldo. and then one even considers Martial next to that I don't think so. Watching 50/50's with Martial go to opposition 100% of time and watching him collect the ball in space and doing a Piccadilly circus run around ,like turning a tractor, is mind numbing. I even doubt Martial would be a starter in the championship with his application. At the end of the day there are people in the shadows at Carrington who are paid good money and its time for them to get their arses in gear. They need to know as much as the Glaziers that they have let the club down over a considerable period. ETH and his staff as present should be immune to criticism during this long needed re-build.
This is how clubs get in trouble. Look at Barcelona, they are screwed for the foreseeable future.
I much prefer us to have a smaller transfer amount available, than mortgage the club further or land us in trouble.
Any success Barcelona, PSG and City have is mostly due to cheating. I don‘t care for that type of success.
£100m before any sales is still a reasonable amount, if that's the case then it shouldn't be an issue. If it forces us to look for cheaper options then it might even be a good thing. Without wanting to single out Antony, we could probably have signed someone for a quarter of his price to do a similar job this season and deals like that are exactly why we might end up with a FFP problem.
The problem is fans think club owners should be a bottomless pile of money. Even without the Glazers the kind of spending we did last summer can’t be done regularly.
Or sell to help FFP as pure profit?
I'd say absolute bare minimum is a striker, a midfielder who can play as a 6 and 8 and then a Maguire replacement at RCB assuming he goes. It's conceivable that 100M could cover the striker, then Maguire and Henderson the CB money and then McTominay and smaller sales (probably one of Elanga or Pellistri since they have value, VDB) the #6/8 though would be tight if we're talking 40M or so.
I can live with one more year of De Gea, Wan-Bissaka and even Martial/Rashford as the backup 9s.
But if the budget is this tight, I could really see Sancho getting sold, that's the highest value player who could end up 3rd on the depth chart pretty easily (Garnacho keeps developing, Martial stays healthy and Amad does well backing up Antony). I think it's possible Ten Hag thinks Martial is a better striker than Sancho LW, but we can't sell Martial, while we can probably still get 40M for Sancho from an ambitious mid-table prem side with cash to burn.
I can live with one more year of De Gea, Wan-Bissaka and even Martial/Rashford as the backup 9s.
But if the budget is this tight, I could really see Sancho getting sold, that's the highest value player who could end up 3rd on the depth chart pretty easily (Garnacho keeps developing, Martial stays healthy and Amad does well backing up Antony). I think it's possible Ten Hag thinks Martial is a better striker than Sancho LW, but we can't sell Martial, while we can probably still get 40M for Sancho from an ambitious mid-table prem side with cash to burn.
Sancho’s wages will be a challenging hurdle. My guess is we keep him another season for now.
This is the first I'm hearing about any of this tbh
Fair enough.I personally think a GK is more of a priority than a back up CB.
Id also say another deep CM option would be above that backup CB spot as well. Only deep(ish) cm options that we have for next year id want to see return is Case and i guess eriksen with how EtH views him. Honestly eriksen should be more the advanced cm with 2 behind him, so by that logic we just have case who id want to see next season here.
Yeah Eriksen as a rotation option for AM, and in some specific games CM is a much more attractive prospect than first choice CM for sure. Tough choice between which is more important between that role in the squad and back up CB. GK is more of a priority than either for me.
This tactic is why Juventus is currently having legal issues.
I can see that argument, but I think Maguire will demand a transfer. Though, yeah, could argue Lindelof has been good enough at RCB that him backing up Varane is less of an issue than De Gea's passing (even with De Gea's generally good shot stopping).
Maybe, but young England HG player.
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Yeah perhaps we are looking for a hybrid that is able to play as a 6 or 8 instead of two separate players which would help more
Lavia
Definitely
Yeah he might be able to do it,should go and get Tielemans on a free. Kroos is available too but no chance that one is going to happen.
Lavia/Kokcu in midfield
Kane/Osimhen up top
No idea who but someone younger to replace Maguire for CB
Doesn't matter who but random backup goalkeeper
We can and should make a good chunk from sales this summer, at the very least we should be able to break even in terms of the midfield and CB signings, and then the budget goes purely on CF.
Kane/Osimhen up top
No idea who but someone younger to replace Maguire for CB
Doesn't matter who but random backup goalkeeper
We can and should make a good chunk from sales this summer, at the very least we should be able to break even in terms of the midfield and CB signings, and then the budget goes purely on CF.
He would instantly be that club's (the club that buys him) highest paid player. I don't see it happening.
May be he can. If Maddison Ndidi Tielemans worked before, surely Maddison Casemiro Bruno can.
Where’s the ball retention?
It really weird reading through this thread in one go. Seeing very good explanations of how FFP and amortization works, and then seeing "Sell Maguire and Sancho for £60 and let Martial go on a free and we're good!" almost immediately after.
Even some of the homegrown players will probably be hard to shift. I think it was a year ago there was comment on the difficulty of shifting Brandon Williams because the kind of teams interested in him simply couldn't afford his wages on the ridiculous contract he was given.
Even some of the homegrown players will probably be hard to shift. I think it was a year ago there was comment on the difficulty of shifting Brandon Williams because the kind of teams interested in him simply couldn't afford his wages on the ridiculous contract he was given.
Chelsea can spend £600M (£1B over the last 3 years) and penniless United only have £100M tucked behind the sofa.
If FFP doesn't bat an eyelid over Chelsea's spending, then I doubt United have anything to worry about.
If FFP doesn't bat an eyelid over Chelsea's spending, then I doubt United have anything to worry about.
Leicester were 4th best possession team in 19/20 with Ndidi Maddison and Tielemans.
I get that. I’m talking about us?!
Bruno’s ball retention is poor, Casemiro is terrible when pressed. Maddison I can’t lie I don’t watch him like that. But he ain’t Eriksen.
Happy with Madders as rotation. But not the right profile for what our style should evolve to.
If we can sell Maguire, Henderson, Sancho, McT, Elanga, then hopefully that will raise another £130m
I was talking about us. The point was we have better midfield trio because Casemiro is better than Ndidi on the ball while Bruno ain’t no difference with Tielemans in ball retention.
Well with that budget there's no chance of us getting any of the big names so we'll have to shop a level below for gems that are on their way to being world class.
Do other top clubs have this issue with their players being paid so much that they're difficult to move on?
If true. Then that's going to be a tall order.
We are 3 to 4 top class first team players away from being a genuine contender domestically and in Europe. A striker, A CM and a RB at minimum and obviously talk about a GK depending on opinion.
If we get some cash through sales then appreciate that adds to it but...who have we got that will command decent money?
Maguire is awful, Donnie has been non existent. Henderson could get us something, but it's not going to be much.
AWB/Dalot will fetch something if the market is right.
Might get a half decent wedge for Sancho if someone is willing to take a chance, likely be half of what we paid. He's been utterly underwhelming in every way. Still not sure what he's supposed to be good at in all honesty.
Martial? McT? Fred? I suppose all together it gets us something but it's alot of players to shift...and they have to want to go to the club's who are offering. Bailly/Telles you may as well give away.
Elanga, you may get a little something for but...nothing game changing.
Moving 8 to 10 players is a tough ask and get anything like a decent return.
Other teams know we are wanting rid of them so they can theoretically low ball the feck out of us.
It's easy for people to go and put some magical values on these players because X Y Z player who is about the same level went for 30 million...but the circumstances are vital. If a club is wanting to hang on to a player you pay a premium. If a club knows you want rid...it's a different market.
Are we capable of negotiating deals for that many players to leave for a decent fee, with an offer from a club the player is happy to go to for a wage they are willing to accept?
We are 3 to 4 top class first team players away from being a genuine contender domestically and in Europe. A striker, A CM and a RB at minimum and obviously talk about a GK depending on opinion.
If we get some cash through sales then appreciate that adds to it but...who have we got that will command decent money?
Maguire is awful, Donnie has been non existent. Henderson could get us something, but it's not going to be much.
AWB/Dalot will fetch something if the market is right.
Might get a half decent wedge for Sancho if someone is willing to take a chance, likely be half of what we paid. He's been utterly underwhelming in every way. Still not sure what he's supposed to be good at in all honesty.
Martial? McT? Fred? I suppose all together it gets us something but it's alot of players to shift...and they have to want to go to the club's who are offering. Bailly/Telles you may as well give away.
Elanga, you may get a little something for but...nothing game changing.
Moving 8 to 10 players is a tough ask and get anything like a decent return.
Other teams know we are wanting rid of them so they can theoretically low ball the feck out of us.
It's easy for people to go and put some magical values on these players because X Y Z player who is about the same level went for 30 million...but the circumstances are vital. If a club is wanting to hang on to a player you pay a premium. If a club knows you want rid...it's a different market.
Are we capable of negotiating deals for that many players to leave for a decent fee, with an offer from a club the player is happy to go to for a wage they are willing to accept?
If we’re clever in the market then there’s value to be had such as,
Maguire, Jones, Bailly and Tuanzebe all out which could bring in £35-£40 million then bring in N’dicka on a free or Colwill from Chelsea seeing Chelsea need to sell.
Henderson, Williams and Telles all moved on to bring in extra funds.
One of McTominay or Fred, VDB and Pellestri all moved on then put money from that towards signing Caicedo then also sign Rabiot on a free.
Sancho if we can get a decent fee and Elanga both moved on and use that money towards a centre forward whether it be Kane or Osimhen.
I don’t see from that how we end up with a net spend of £100 million but our problem for years has been the stupid wages we give players means we struggle moving players on.
I don’t think it’s unrealistic to get £150 million for Henderson, Williams, Maguire, Jones, Bailly, Tuanzebe, Telles, McTominay/Fred, VDB, Pellestri, Sancho and Elanga and a load of money off the wage bill.
Maguire, Jones, Bailly and Tuanzebe all out which could bring in £35-£40 million then bring in N’dicka on a free or Colwill from Chelsea seeing Chelsea need to sell.
Henderson, Williams and Telles all moved on to bring in extra funds.
One of McTominay or Fred, VDB and Pellestri all moved on then put money from that towards signing Caicedo then also sign Rabiot on a free.
Sancho if we can get a decent fee and Elanga both moved on and use that money towards a centre forward whether it be Kane or Osimhen.
I don’t see from that how we end up with a net spend of £100 million but our problem for years has been the stupid wages we give players means we struggle moving players on.
I don’t think it’s unrealistic to get £150 million for Henderson, Williams, Maguire, Jones, Bailly, Tuanzebe, Telles, McTominay/Fred, VDB, Pellestri, Sancho and Elanga and a load of money off the wage bill.
No because they are generally selling their players to other top clubs/mid table clubs or they haven't given out exorbitant contracts to an academy player that filled a spot for half a season out of desperation.
Brandon Williams market is likely to be championship/bottom of prem.
Are they the houses in Hogwarts?
Should we see if we can sell Garnacho? £60-70m could make a massive difference, and he's obviously going to be playing second fiddle to Rashford for years? It doesn't make sense to have two 60m+ assets for exactly the same position when you're so poor everywhere else.
I think you're being sarcastic, but if not, then no! City have 2 60m+ players in every position (more or less). We need strength and depth.
Sancho is the one who would need to go to be honest.