MUFC are looking at a budget of about £100m, due to FFP (The Athletic)

[Mainoldo]

You can't attribute (or even hope for) morality or consistency to/from the people currently running us - the most you can hope for is reputational management and/or responsiveness to sponsors who are in turn acting in their own reputational interest in order to arrive at a partially 'virtuous' outcome. If they calculate that blowback for a 50% sell-on is minimal to negligible, and they can get the buyer to agree due to competing offers, then they'll take it...

That’s not my point. My point is for a 50% sell on what you are saying is if this works out we don’t want you to profit and gain £100m for him from Man City and we get nothing.

Most sponsors we get recently are filled with Glazer out and paid publicity it impacts them minimally as we have come to see. MG has no negative impact on sponsorship if we agree he comes back otherwise why would clubs like Juventus want to have him. You think they don’t like sponsorship money too?

 

[Mainoldo]

Depends on what the outcome of the investigation is.

For example, say the conclusion is "We accept the the outcome of the police investigation. However, our discussions with players, staff and other stakeholders have made it clear that allowing Greenwood to return would cause undue disruption and concern within the club". There wouldn't be any hypocrisy in selling him on that basis, as it isn't based on a moral judgement.

That’s true it’s the 50 sell on fee I was attacking. If you sell him you wipe your eyes and accept you did it with no care for how his career plans out.

 

[prateik]

Saw this on my feed, not sure how true it is, somehow Jassim has a way to get around FFP ??

Do these Qatar PR accounts think fan opinion matters? The Glazers will accept the bid they like better.. and I hope its not Qatar.

 

[roseguy64]

Do other top clubs have this issue with their players being paid so much that they're difficult to move on?

Yes and no. Chelsea is a good example. They get good fees for some players but also have a history of having to loan out first team players because they can't be shifted. So they face the issue Man Utd have but also are able to shift some players before that issue.

 

[ScholesyTheWise]

While it's on ETH to get more out of the existing crop of players- alot of them are wank, both ability-wise and mentally-
it's obvious that we need an injection of some more excellent players;

a 100m budget + what we'll get from selling our deadwood is sadly very little. But it's not surprising.

The prioritization will be a really tough one.

If I had to guess:

De Gea will probably stay as the main keeper; No serious right winger will be bought (and why would one be bought? Antony was meant to seal to spot). maybe one CM, but not two.

I wager that we're gonna blow our load on a striker and will try to find some Sabitzer-like reinforcements for other areas of the pitch: CDM, backup CB, and backup RW. players who're cheap and have some potential, but are nowhere near world-class level.

This won't end well, but what can you do...

 

[Big Ben Foster]

Is "amortization" the hipsters word of the week or something?

No, it's a basic accounting concept that's extremely relevant when discussing our FFP constraints.

 

[Woziak]

Barcelona sold levers to cover losses of these last 2 years, pay debts and also raise the salary cap.
And this year the wage bill will be lowered considerably. So the club will be better off financially.



You need to add the salary of the players bought and subtract that of the players sold.

I did looking at a reduced salary this year of £325m and losing Ronaldo and cutting De Geas Contract as well as others plus Europa league reduction of 25% which looks like that will be continued for next season now as well !

 

[croadyman]

No way for me. I get what you're saying in that you are selling a player at high value in a position we are well stocked in...but it's not something I would be considering just now.

Sancho should be the first on the chopping block when it comes to wide players. We won't get anything like what we paid but we should get something of note.

Yeah completely agree with that

 

[croadyman]

I would sell Rashford. He's a problem for us when we eventually get a proper, goal-scoring number 9. Once he gets the ball from the wing he only wants to score when he should be getting his head up and looking for the striker.

Should only consider if we could land either Neymar or Mbappe which is unrealistic

 

[Messier1994]

Here is a thread explaining the mechanics of this:
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/a-l...ir-play-rules-on-man-utd.474688/post-29977585

 

[Tom Van Persie]

 

[Coxy]

You would have thought releasing Ronaldo (and his huge wages) would release quite a bit by itself.

 

[LawCharltonBest]

Can't remember off the top of my head the last time we signed a player

 

[Vidyoyo]

Okay so we've got £120m to play around with, including another 200m from the sales of Maguire, McTominay, Sancho, Martial, Lindelof, Dalot, Fred, Pellestri, Greenwood, Bailly, Telles, Tuanzebe, Henderson, Van de Beek, Chong, Elanga and Shoretire.

If we spunk £160 on Mbappe and another £160 on Brighton's backroom staff then we'll be title winners by January

Daily prayers will also be needed to keep the entire first team fit and able to play every game.

 

[DanClancy]

Selling Henderson alone could add another £100m to the budget, very misleading headlines as usual.

 

[JPRouve]

You would have thought releasing Ronaldo (and his huge wages) would release quite a bit by itself.

It released a bit more than a dozen of millions. That's not much in itself.

 

[gajender]

Okay so we've got £120m to play around with, including another 200m from the sales of Maguire, McTominay, Sancho, Martial, Lindelof, Dalot, Fred, Pellestri, Greenwood, Bailly, Telles, Tuanzebe, Henderson, Van de Beek, Chong, Elanga and Shoretire.

If we spunk £160 on Mbappe and another £160 on Brighton's backroom staff then we'll be title winners by January

Daily prayers will also be needed to keep the entire first team fit and able to play every game.

Going so well for Chelsea so far isn't it .

 

[RedDevilRoshi]

Okay so we've got £120m to play around with, including another 200m from the sales of Maguire, McTominay, Sancho, Martial, Lindelof, Dalot, Fred, Pellestri, Greenwood, Bailly, Telles, Tuanzebe, Henderson, Van de Beek, Chong, Elanga and Shoretire.

If we spunk £160 on Mbappe and another £160 on Brighton's backroom staff then we'll be title winners by January

Daily prayers will also be needed to keep the entire first team fit and able to play every game.

Ok so are you able to spunk that quickly yourself on him, whilst the club are in the midst of a takeover, then? Just so we don't alert others on how cheap he is?

 

[Dannn411]

With this budget there is no chance of a big name CF coming in. So its time to be a little more realistic.

INCOMINGS
Hojlund
Kim Min Jae
Kone/Kephren Thuram/some other deep-lying midfielder.
Mason Mount.
New GK.

SALE OUTGOINGS
Maguire
Henderson
Mctom
Martial (Somehow. Even if its £5m)

NON-SALE OUTGOINGS
De Gea
Axel
Jones.

I think this is realistic and doable this summer given the constraints.

 

[cyberman]

With this budget there is no chance of a big name CF coming in. So its time to be a little more realistic.

INCOMINGS
Hojlund
Kim Min Jae.
Man Utd Kone/Kephren Thuram/some other deep-lying midfielder.
Mason Mount.
New GK.

SALE OUTGOINGS
Maguire
Henderson
Mctom
Martial (Somehow. Even if its £5m)

NON-SALE OUTGOINGS
De Gea
Axel
Jones.

I think this is realistic and doable this summer given the constraints.

We will get over 100m in sales. The budget will be about the same as last season

 

[cyberman]

Selling Henderson alone could add another £100m to the budget, very misleading headlines as usual.

Is this true?

 

[golden_blunder]

Is this true?

 

[Vidyoyo]

Is this true?

It's lowballing if anything. We could get almost £101m if we play our cards right.

 

[Dorris]

It is true. The whole article reads as if it’s written by somehow who has little understanding of FFP and amortisation.

 

[MegadrivePerson]

This is why it makes sense to sign Rabiot. It will free up money to be spent elsewhere.

 

[Lentwood]

We will get over 100m in sales. The budget will be about the same as last season

We should do easily. People are quick to forget about the likes of Elanga, who are an easy £15-20m, no problem.

I'm sure there will be clubs queuing up for Maguire at £20/30m, likewise McTominay and Henderson. Add in the likes of DvdB, Williams, Laird, possibly Mejbri and Pellistri...potentially Greenwood

Maybe we could also get The Red Lion to take Fred to put the training cones out and wash the bibs...

The players who will be more difficult to shift will be Martial and Sancho, given their absolutely ludicrous wages and Martial's terrible injury record. The only way I see Sancho leaving is if he decides that regular playing time is worth £8m(ish) per annum and takes a £160K pay cut to go back to Dortmund.

 

[MegadrivePerson]

It is true. The whole article reads as if it’s written by somehow who has little understanding of FFP and amortisation.

Very few people actually understand it and think that selling Maguire for £20 million means an extra £20 million to spend!

 

[Joseunited]

Is this true?

He is homegrown and didn't cost us anything so if we sell him for £30m I think there is more money available. Same as selling Mctominay.

 

[cyberman]

I thought it was something about pure profit and all that nonsense.
FFP is mind boggling to me

 

[Red00012]

With this budget there is no chance of a big name CF coming in. So its time to be a little more realistic.

INCOMINGS
Hojlund
Kim Min Jae
Kone/Kephren Thuram/some other deep-lying midfielder.
Mason Mount.
New GK.

SALE OUTGOINGS
Maguire
Henderson
Mctom
Martial (Somehow. Even if its £5m)

NON-SALE OUTGOINGS
De Gea
Axel
Jones.

I think this is realistic and doable this summer given the constraints.

It’s not one bit realistic

Martial and DDG are going nowhere for a start

 

[astracrazy]

Where was that thread where someone on here did some very helpful analysis and breakdown for how FFP works with our accounts? Will be helpful

 

[RC89]

With this budget there is no chance of a big name CF coming in. So its time to be a little more realistic.

INCOMINGS
Hojlund
Kim Min Jae
Kone/Kephren Thuram/some other deep-lying midfielder.
Mason Mount.
New GK.

SALE OUTGOINGS
Maguire
Henderson
Mctom
Martial (Somehow. Even if its £5m)

NON-SALE OUTGOINGS
De Gea
Axel
Jones.

I think this is realistic and doable this summer given the constraints.

You'd be happy to let Martial go and only have Hojlund as our striker?

I'm all for letting go of Martial, but we'd need two Strikers.

 

[Dannn411]

You'd be happy to let Martial go and only have Hojlund as our striker?

I'm all for letting go of Martial, but we'd need two Strikers.

Yes I would. Martial is essentially an ex player at this point. One constantly available natural striker is better than zero strikers.

 

[sullydnl]

Important to remember that there's a difference between being restricted by budgets versus being restricted by these financial fair play regulations.

If we're restricted by budget then a 35m player sale lets you purchase a 35m player. If it's restricted by these regulations then a 35m player sale could (depending on the details) allow you to buy a Martinez or even Antony priced player, or not allow you much extra room to buy anyone.

In this case the reporting has generally been that we're facing regulation issues rather than actual budget issues, so the details of the player sales are essential, both in terms of amount but impact.

 

[golden_blunder]

It is true. The whole article reads as if it’s written by somehow who has little understanding of FFP and amortisation.

I just disagree with the idea that selling Henderson alone will equate to an extra 100 million. I’m not a financial expert so I was just laughing at that notion. Happy for someone to explain how that one sale will free up that wiggle room?

 

[prateik]

I just disagree with the idea that selling Henderson alone will equate to an extra 100 million. I’m not a financial expert so I was just laughing at that notion. Happy for someone to explain how that one sale will free up that wiggle room?

A sale of 20m and signing someone for 100m on a 5 year contract would be even in terms of FFP. (for this year)

The point wasnt about us having 100m more money.. just that FFP won't be a limiting factor. We still might not have the money to sign someone for 100m, but we could if we had the money.

 

[golden_blunder]

A sale of 20m and signing someone for 100m on a 5 year contract would be even in terms of FFP. (for this year)

The point wasnt about us having 100m more money.. just that FFP won't be a limiting factor. We still might not have the money to sign someone for 100m, but we could if we had the money.

Ok so IF we can get the seller to agree to that type of structure and not want it upfront (20m a season for 5 years = 100m)
I just think that it’s not going to be as easy as that

 

[JoeyJoJoJrShabadoo]

I just disagree with the idea that selling Henderson alone will equate to an extra 100 million. I’m not a financial expert so I was just laughing at that notion. Happy for someone to explain how that one sale will free up that wiggle room?

On the FFP balance sheet any sale goes directly into income. So even if Forrest bought Henderson and paid the £30mill off over 50 years, it would still register as £30 million worth of income today. It would also mean you are able to invest say £100 mill, because you won't pay above £30mill towards the selling club today. You'll pay the total across the length of the players contract

Its a farce

 

[golden_blunder]

On the FFP balance sheet any sale goes directly into income. So even if Forrest bought Henderson and paid the £30mill off over 50 years, it would still register as £30 million worth of income today. It would also mean you are able to invest say £100 mill, because you won't pay above £30mill towards the selling club today. You'll pay the total across the length of the players contract

Its a farce

Yeah sounds like juggling money around to allow them to keep spending big money. It will all suffer a huge crash some year

 

[JPRouve]

Ok so IF we can get the seller to agree to that type of structure and not want it upfront (20m a season for 5 years = 100m)
I just think that it’s not going to be as easy as that

No, it's not's about cash flow but amortization. Though that claim is wrong because you would have to fit 20m into the following years accounts, so unless you have access to the accounts, you can't directly make that claim.