MUFC are looking at a budget of about £100m, due to FFP (The Athletic)

Skills said:
You are correct. Same with Antony when we realise he's a £15m talent.
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Could we theoretically do some accounting tricks with swap deals to give us near-term FFP flexibility? Let's say for instance we have a player we don't want and Chelsea have a player they don't want. Would we be able to agree a swap where we pay Chelsea a £100M transfer fee for their player and they pay us a £100M transfer fee for our player? Both clubs get the immediate £100M FFP benefit, but only accrue a £20M cost for the year (assuming five-year amortization). In reality, no actual cash changes hands.

Makes me think of all the trickery Italian clubs do with their co-ownership schemes.
 
How much to get Welbeck back as a second striker behind Kane or Osimhen? Rate him more than Martial. I can see him scoring the winner in a important match in a few years.
 
Gazza said:
I think we would get about £50 million total for them.
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Doubt that. Newcastle were looking to spend 40m on McT in Jan. He can prob go 25m in the summer. 20ish for Maguire, say 20-25 for Henderson. That's almost 70m on them.
 
Big Ben Foster said:
Could we theoretically do some accounting tricks with swap deals to give us near-term FFP flexibility? Let's say for instance we have a player we don't want and Chelsea have a player they don't want. Would we be able to agree a swap where we pay Chelsea a £100M transfer fee for their player and they pay us a £100M transfer fee for our player? Both clubs get the immediate £100M FFP benefit, but only accrue a £20M cost for the year (assuming five-year amortization). In reality, no actual cash changes hands.

Makes me think of all the trickery Italian clubs do with their co-ownership schemes.
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That's just kicking the can down the road though. You now owe an extra £20m a season in amortisation for the next 4 years.
 
Brighton have shown you don't need to break the bank for some quality finds. Time for our scouting network to really step up
 
LARulz said:
Brighton have shown you don't need to break the bank for some quality finds. Time for our scouting network to really step up
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A manager doesn't need to come in and sign his own starting XI as well.
 
Surely that only applies if we spent £100 million and paid it all in one instalment ? If we bought someone for £100 million and paid it over £20 million a year for 5 years then that’s only £20 million from the £100 million ?

One way or another our debt will be moved after this summer whether it transferred over (Ineos) or paid off (Qatar) which saves us a massive amount every summer as it won’t come out of our FFP, either way the media hate us and only put out negative news with us.
 
davidmichael said:
Surely that only applies if we spent £100 million and paid it all in one instalment ? If we bought someone for £100 million and paid it over £20 million a year for 5 years then that’s only £20 million from the £100 million ?

One way or another our debt will be moved after this summer whether it transferred over (Ineos) or paid off (Qatar) which saves us a massive amount every summer as it won’t come out of our FFP, either way the media hate us and only put out negative news with us.
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Have I missed something. When have Ineos said they will move over the current debt. All that has been mentioned is then not loading NEW debt on the club.
 
davidmichael said:
Surely that only applies if we spent £100 million and paid it all in one instalment ? If we bought someone for £100 million and paid it over £20 million a year for 5 years then that’s only £20 million from the £100 million ?
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I don't think cash flow matters for FFP, it's all accrual-based.
 
VP89 said:
100m net is fine no?
McTominay to Newcastle, Henderson to another club, Maguire to another club that should bring in around 70-100m on top.

Can do Kane 80-100m
CM for 30-40m
CB for 30-40m
RB for 20m
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You do realise we are notoriously shit at shifting on players we no longer want don't you? Now think about how shit Maguire has been? Getting rid won't be easy. We may even need to subsidise his wages to get someone to commit.
 
simonhch said:
Under that logic, if we wipe out transfer debt this summer, as part of a takeover, and consequently change the amortisation schedule on those transfers, so they aren’t carried over to future windows, would that then not have a positive impact on FFP for future windows, I.e. January or next summer, as opposed to this window.

This isn’t me disagreeing with you, this is me seeking to understand how a takeover can influence the current FFP compliance in the short term. Would it also be the case that a boost in revenue, say from a *ahem* Qatari sponsorship deal, would also positively impact FFP wiggle room?
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The only way to change the amortisation schedule on a transfer (for FFP at least) is to extend a players contract, so the remaining amount is amortised over a longer period of time. But that's now capped to 5 years by the new UEFA rules. For example we signed Maguire on a 6 year contract for £80m. Of that £80m, we have £26m (2 years) worth of amortisation left at £13m per season. So if we extend his contract by another 3 years, that then spreads that £26m over 5 years rather than 2. So that means the FFP hit for his registration is now only £5.2m a season.

Sponsorships is the thing that'll give us any real FFP room. Luckily TeamViewer are on their way out, so we're primed for Qatari sponsorship to come in with the new ownership.
 
NLunited said:
Maddison would be competing with Bruno. Good player though for sure. We should probably look for a cheaper stand in for Bruno, since our budget will be tight.
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We need the scouts & transfer team to earn their money and present Ten Hag with options. Like Martinez came to Ten Hag from Defensa y Justica I'm not suggesting a flood of Argentinians post world cup but we have to be more savvy in the transfer market as the big money signings as a whole is killing us.
 
The main assumption of this estimated budget was the club qualified for the Champions League, if we don’t we will have more like £40-50m budget.
 
Does anyone know if the Athletic article mentions if they are factoring that we will be getting a new shirt sponsor for next season? Not sure if that income is factored into their calculations or not. If a large percentage of that fee is front-loaded (like the Adidas deal if I remember correctly) then that helps us for this summer, right?
 
Shane88 said:
People thinking we'll get a significant amount for Henderson, Maguire and McTominay are dreaming.

Henderson is the only one who could command a decent fee. Young, English, perceived to be talented.

McTominay. Surplus to requirements, below average footballer.

Maguire. He's basically a meme these days. 5th choice centre back. 30. Glacial.

We'd be doing well to get £50 million for those three.
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Shoot me now
 
Nytram Shakes said:
I have no issue with this, you can’t spend 200 million every summer it’s unsustainable even for a club like United.
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Nobody seems to understand this. No team in the world spends this much every summer without recouping a considerable amount in player sales.

Furthermore, some of these figures quoted for likes of McTominay and Maguire are pure fantasy land on achieved in FM and FIFA. Nobody is paying that much for these, not even considering their wages.
 
MackRobinson said:
Nobody seems to understand this. No team in the world spends this much every summer without recouping a considerable amount in player sales.

Furthermore, some of these figures quoted for likes of McTominay and Maguire are pure fantasy land on achieved in FM and FIFA. Nobody is paying that much for these, not even considering their wages.
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This summer could be god awful
 
glasgow 21 said:
We need the scouts & transfer team to earn their money and present Ten Hag with options. Like Martinez came to Ten Hag from Defensa y Justica I'm not suggesting a flood of Argentinians post world cup but we have to be more savvy in the transfer market as the big money signings as a whole is killing us.
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Yeah our scouting needs to improve massively
 
MackRobinson said:
Nobody seems to understand this. No team in the world spends this much every summer without recouping a considerable amount in player sales.

Furthermore, some of these figures quoted for likes of McTominay and Maguire are pure fantasy land on achieved in FM and FIFA. Nobody is paying that much for these, not even considering their wages.
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Yup. It's the same story every year in threads like these.
 
Shane88 said:
People thinking we'll get a significant amount for Henderson, Maguire and McTominay are dreaming.

Henderson is the only one who could command a decent fee. Young, English, perceived to be talented.

McTominay. Surplus to requirements, below average footballer.

Maguire. He's basically a meme these days. 5th choice centre back. 30. Glacial.

We'd be doing well to get £50 million for those three.
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I reckon McTominay will go for more than Henderson
 
From my comments in another thread, selling Harry, DvB, Fred, Sancho, Martial, Bailly & Henderson should bag us around £115m. Add Laird, Elanga, Telles and Williams, that should be another £15m. Added to the summer budget, I think that's should be enough for 3 players.

But I doubt we'll be able to shift so many players.
 
Varun1 said:
From my comments in another thread, selling Harry, DvB, Fred, Sancho, Martial, Bailly & Henderson should bag us around £115m. Add Laird, Elanga, Telles and Williams, that should be another £15m. Added to the summer budget, I think that's should be enough for 3 players.

But I doubt we'll be able to shift so many players.
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Good luck finding anyone to match the wages of the bolded.
 
croadyman said:
Yeah maybe
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The thing about Maddison is how are we going to fit him in? May be playing 433 with Casemiro as lone DM, Bruno and Maddison as CM? Almost like Ndidi Tielemans and Maddison when Leicester was in their prime under Rodgers. He will add creativity in our squad for sure. It depends on the price, if he's available 40m or 45m then it will be good option
 
MackRobinson said:
Good luck finding anyone to match the wages of the bolded.
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Agree with that. Am hoping Harry will agree to lower his wages to save his international career.

Can't see Martial or Sancho doing the same.
 
UNITED ACADEMY said:
The thing about Maddison is how are we going to fit him in? May be playing 433 with Casemiro as lone DM, Bruno and Maddison as CM? Almost like Ndidi Tielemans and Maddison when Leicester was in their prime under Rodgers. He will add creativity in our squad for sure. It depends on the price, if he's available 40m or 45m then it will be good option
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Can he provide us with playmaking CM option
 
I think Sancho could be a shrewd sale to give an extra boost to funds. There are some creative ways we could go for sure this summer.

I also don't think people are factoring in the possibility of Greenwood returning and how that affects our business. We could realistically bring in a younger "prospect" type if the big name strikers are outlandish prices (Sesko, Hojlund) and have him/Greenwood/Rashford as striker options while bringing in another versatile winger instead to replace Sancho. I think Amad has a real shot to be in the rotation next year as well and he would provide crucial competition and depth to our RW and CAM spots. Taking an approach like that would free up a nice bulk of the budget towards a big boy midfielder (honestly might need 2) and defensive signings.
 
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