Moyes So Far!

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Dear DM,

As counter-intuitive as it may seem to you, the most positive move you could make at this point is to bench Wayne Rooney. Just one game would be a start, ideally for two; you can even make a cover story for it, like the injury (and in fact, you should do just that!)

If you're going to be here, you need to learn how to motivate people - not just individually, but groups of people. It is hard to do if you're not born with the ability, but it can be learned to a certain extent.

At this point you have no idea just how much this would impact the playing staff positively - and more importantly, the how and why - but that is not your fault. Don't get down on yourself. It's a learning process.
 
Why did he put Rooney centre midfield? No fecking bollocks, just take him off, he was shit all game. Bottled a big game decision.
 
Lu Tze said:
Exactly, in the 150th minute of a 180 minute tie we were beating the best team in the world. He's hardly had a nightmare here.
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Yeah I hope united go into all big games in the future with moyes game plan to park the bus.
 
prateik said:
People desperate to blame everything on Moyes is hilarious.

We made errors. Bayern are a top side. Didnt really expect a win. Its fine.

Moyes is settling in to the job. The caf can hate all they want. He is staying...
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This.
 
Revan said:
Tactics were great but his reaction after Bayern scored was non-existent. Keeping Rooney during the entire match was also a very bad decision. He needs to start making big decisions if he ever hopes to become a good manager for us.

Anyway, this wasn't the game which should decide anything. We would have lost most of the times regardless of the manager.
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Reminds me of last year's game against Real. Except it wasn't a goal but a certain card.
 
Ole's_toe_poke said:
Guardiola took off their 37 million signing and changed the game.

Moyes just stood there when we were 2-1 down and even left our worst attacker on, preferring to play him in midfield rather than sub him.

Fact is, can anyone ever see Moyes making difficult decisions that change a game? Or drop a star player for underperforming? I cannot. He's just too weak and scared to ever be a top manager.
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This is the problem I have with David Moyes. I've not blamed him for this season. I've not even called for him to be sacked. But its becoming obvious now that he doesn't have the guts to make the tough decisions.

Its sad how United are on the way to becoming the Chelsea to Terry's Rooney.
 
Setting the team up for a task before the game is one thing, wilting like he does when things turn against us is another entirely.
 
Credit to Moyes over the two legs. Our tactics and set-up was spot on for the 180 minutes. We knew we'd have to soak up a fair bit of pressure and then be clinical in the chances that we got. I can think of at least three very good chances that we squandered over the two games, which you cannot afford to do at this level.

All in all, encouraging signs from the manager. Of course they'll be a ridiculous group out there who'll try and pin this one on Moyes, which is so misplaced it's untrue. It's not his fault he was left with a sub-standard midfield. Here's to sorting that this summer and signing players who have the courage and quality to take the game by the scruff of the neck. The spine of the team is there already and quite exciting: De Gea, Rafael, Jones, Smalling, Valencia, Kagawa, Rooney, Welbeck, Januzaj etc.

We'll never die.
 
Ole's_toe_poke said:
Guardiola took off their 37 million signing and changed the game.

Moyes just stood there when we were 2-1 down and even left our worst attacker on, preferring to play him in midfield rather than sub him.

Fact is, can anyone ever see Moyes making difficult decisions that change a game? Or drop a star player for underperforming? I cannot. He's just too weak and scared to ever be a top manager.
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He doesn't have a pair of bollocks. It's cringey how much he lets people walk over him.
 
How can anyone not be annoyed with Moyes?? Sorry, but you just don't win important games with absolutely no attacking initiative whatsoever. Atletico had to play a possession based team too, still had a clear game plan and had so many chances, they always do! It really is no coincidence Moyes hasn't even come close to winning anything in his 100 years at Everton! I want him out NOW!!
 
Escobar said:
Maybe but that's a gamble he had to take. Other than that, he did ok. FFS, we played away against Munich, the best team by far
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Starting Rooney was probably a gamble he had to take, and I fully understand why he did it. Keeping Rooney on for the entire game is a very different discussion, and very poor management - simple as that.

Yes, no one expected us to beat Bayern, but that doesn't mean that wrong tactical decisions should be ignored.
 
prateik said:
People desperate to blame everything on Moyes is hilarious.

We made errors. Bayern are a top side. Didnt really expect a win. Its fine.

Moyes is settling in to the job. The caf can hate all they want. He is staying...
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Mourinho is settling into the job, which he started the same day as Moyes, yet is still in the semi-finals of the Champions League and the title race. Moyes, meanwhile, has taken United out of the top 3 and Champions League for the first time in more than 20 years with a team that won the title last season and outplayed Real Madrid. He's had nearly a year at the club and has managed to beat, what, 3 teams in the top half of the table while putting out some of the worst performances United have seen in years on the pitch. He got lucky against Olympiakos and bought himself another season despite being a clown.
 
united_99 said:
How can anyone not be annoyed with Moyes?? Sorry, but you just don't win important games with absolutely no attacking initiative whatsoever. Atletico had to play a possession based team too, still had a clear game plan and had so many chances, they always do! It really is no coincidence Moyes hasn't even come close to winning anything in his 100 years at Everton! I want him out NOW!!
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We had some of the best chances over the two legs, and squandered them. Those chances don't just magically appear out of thin air.
 
I think these two games also highlighted the fact that we're severely under achieving under Moyes (not that we don't already know that). We still have some excellent players that we're not getting the best out of.
 
Hes not necessarily to blame tonight.

However, we did see his inability to act quickly again. He froze when he had to act and that is poor. He looked lost after the 2nd goal and sent the completely wrong message to the players. He needed to lift them and he spent 5-10 mins sulking.
 
nahealai said:
Credit to Moyes over the two legs. Our tactics and set-up was spot on for the 180 minutes. We knew we'd have to soak up a fair bit of pressure and then be clinical in the chances that we got. I can think of at least three very good chances that we squandered over the two games, which you cannot afford to do at this level.

All in all, encouraging signs from the manager. Of course they'll be a ridiculous group out there who'll try and pin this one on Moyes, which is so misplaced it's untrue. It's not his fault he was left with a sub-standard midfield. Here's to sorting that this summer and signing players who have the courage and quality to take the game by the scruff of the neck. The spine of the team is there already and quite exciting: De Gea, Rafael, Jones, Smalling, Valencia, Kagawa, Rooney, Welbeck, Januzaj etc.

We'll never die.
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Yep, can't knock his approach in the tie, it was pretty much what I'd have done. But based over this whole season, he's just not been good enough and I still think we need a change in the summer if we are to get back in the top 4.
 
Leg-End said:
We are gonna have to tolerate him some more, it's just a fact we have to deal with.

He will get a summer to buy and a winter to fix us, if he can't get the job done then feck him off.
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I hope the Glazers have more sense than the Moyes apologists...
 
Leg-End said:
We are gonna have to tolerate him some more, it's just a fact we have to deal with.

He will get a summer to buy and a winter to fix us, if he can't get the job done then feck him off.
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Tolerate him is a good way to describe this situation
 
Can't blame Moyes for leaving our best player on the pitch (not the he was near the best tonight). Those kind of players can produce moments of brilliance - high variance players which we needed to progress. Didn't work out, but I don't think it's necessary to assign blame tonight.
 
nahealai said:
Credit to Moyes over the two legs. Our tactics and set-up was spot on for the 180 minutes. We knew we'd have to soak up a fair bit of pressure and then be clinical in the chances that we got. I can think of at least three very good chances that we squandered over the two games, which you cannot afford to do at this level.

All in all, encouraging signs from the manager. Of course they'll be a ridiculous group out there who'll try and pin this one on Moyes, which is so misplaced it's untrue. It's not his fault he was left with a sub-standard midfield. Here's to sorting that this summer and signing players who have the courage and quality to take the game by the scruff of the neck. The spine of the team is there already and quite exciting: De Gea, Rafael, Jones, Smalling, Valencia, Kagawa, Rooney, Welbeck, Januzaj etc.

We'll never die.
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Spot on mate.
 
Take this game out of the equation and forget about the lack of any plan B.

We are going to finish outside the top 4 and behind his old club, who incidentally don't seem to have suffered after loosing their 'great manager'! The guy is absolutely clueless. There is no point sticking with him.

I would prefer no new signings this summer but a decent proven manager appointed.
 
His tactics at the beginning were spot on. His decisions during the game were dodgy. Having said that, we lost against the best team in the world (and made it extremely tough for them) so this tie shouldn't be used as a stick to beat him with. Better teams got dicked by Bayern this season.
 
Did well tonight overall. We could easily have won that game.
 
Vítor Baía and Dani defending Moyes in portuguese Champions League program :smirk:
 
His face when we went 2-1 down told the whole story for me.

He is not a winner. We did very, very well when we enforced our underdog tactics in both legs, but as soon as we had the upper hand, firstly the team crumbled and eventually he crumbled with his inability to respond and alter the mentality and game plan.
 
nahealai said:
Credit to Moyes over the two legs. Our tactics and set-up was spot on for the 180 minutes. We knew we'd have to soak up a fair bit of pressure and then be clinical in the chances that we got. I can think of at least three very good chances that we squandered over the two games, which you cannot afford to do at this level.

All in all, encouraging signs from the manager. Of course they'll be a ridiculous group out there who'll try and pin this one on Moyes, which is so misplaced it's untrue. It's not his fault he was left with a sub-standard midfield. Here's to sorting that this summer and signing players who have the courage and quality to take the game by the scruff of the neck. The spine of the team is there already and quite exciting: De Gea, Rafael, Jones, Smalling, Valencia, Kagawa, Rooney, Welbeck, Januzaj etc.

We'll never die.
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Well he has to take some blame since he spent £70m and failed to come anywhere near close to addressing it.
 
Last night when Chelsea went ahead in their tie with 15 minutes to go Mourinho dived into the player celebration pile, he didn't do it to celebrate, he did it to bring his players back down to earth and to drill into their heads to get their minds back on the defensive side of their game. Tonight we saw Evra lapse in concentration after scoring a goal that led to Bayern's goal.

Now I am not criticising Moyes directly for not doing the exact same thing but that moment was emblematic of how Mourinho stays one step ahead of the game. Do we think that Moyes will ever get to that level?
 
RK said:
Can't blame Moyes for leaving our best player on the pitch (not the he was near the best tonight). Those kind of players can produce moments of brilliance - high variance players which we needed to progress. Didn't work out, but I don't think it's necessary to assign blame tonight.
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Phil Jones had more hope of doing something brilliant in front of goal over Rooney tonight.
 
People saying this isn't Moyes at fault.

1) When did united used to win most games, when a team parked a bus? Yes in the final 1/4 of the match because they are knackered (mainly mentally).

You just can't do that for 180mins.

fecking wake up.
 
Rooney should have probably been subbed, mind.

All in all, our problems under Moyes are far deeper than one night at the Allianz.

However, he got the team selection spot on and the team did well. His overall mindset isn't that of a United one, but we know that now. I won't sit and tear him to pieces when it isn't all that warranted in this case.
 
Moyes did well over the two legs, however the same problems keep popping up, he has no plan B, he's obsessed with Rooney, his substitutions have been atrocious, when we go behind he panics and throws on an attacker, we lose shape go many times, he's afraid to drop the 'star players' he loves his anti football.
 
FlawlessThaw said:
Well he has to take some blame since he spent £70m and failed to come anywhere near close to addressing it.
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Meanwhile his 27m signing was left rotting on the bench after Bayern's midfielders schooled him in Manchester. I guess Moyes finally realised that there are better CM around then those playing with West Brom
 
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