Moyes So Far!

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For once I do feel for him, the players let him down after going ahead with their shit defending.
BUT the lack of plan B when we need a goal is terrible, the only thing we did all match was lob it up for Welbeck, and Rooney has been terrible all match and needed to come off. Chicha for fletcher when we only needed one goal was just wrong, our middle just collapsed after that. The heads dropped after their third and he just hasn't found a way to get them back up.
 
I would prefer you post properly with a white background as opposed to the entire post being a quote.



So the evidence other candidates were not considered was the fact Alex Ferguson told David Moyes you are hired?

You honestly think because Alex Ferguson personally told David Moyes he was hired is evidence that not even a single other candidate was considered.

Your logic is hilarious.



You seem to be suggesting no other candidates were considered. I replied to your post that you have no evidence or knowledge whether the board considered other candidates before choosing Moyes. You are delusional if you think Moyes merely stating Alex Ferguson hired him in person is evidence that not a single other candidate was considered.

An interview is not needed at the highest level. You consider several candidates and then pursue the chosen one (no pun intended).



Your understanding of the English language :lol:

Let's see what I said:



You are putting words into my mouth like a noob. Not once did I state you said anything, read the posts accurately next time you reply! Either that or you don't know the meaning of 'infer'...

I stated you have no evidence other candidates were not considered (look up the definition of 'considered', it does not mean 'interviewed'). You replied with a link to the Moyes article and so you were inferring David Moyes is evidence that nobody else was considered. Now, in that article he did not at any point talk about the selection process therefore you must be inferring he was a part of it, why else would he be the evidence?

It's ironic you tell me to learn to read yet you don't know the meaning of 'infer', thinking it means 'said' and furthermore, you think in order to consider a candidate one must personally interview the candidate. Had you known the meaning of 'infer' and not thought it mean't 'said' then perhaps you would not be telling me to learn to read.



If somebody else was approached then they would be the number 1 candidate. If they considered many candidates before settling on Moyes then Ferguson didn't just give Moyes the job. He did so because he and the board had sound reasoning, what is wrong with having sound reasoning for making a decision?

Furthermore, it is possible another candidate was approached however before the approach both parties signed a non-disclousre agreement. We would then never know.

Imagine United requesting an interview from Guardiola, Mourinho, Ancelotti, Klopp :lol:

I'm sure there is a wealth of information available negating the need for a personal interview. They can consider these candidates without interviewing them, it really isn't that difficult to understand.



I'm arguing semantics?

Your post suggests you fail to understand one can consider many candidates without a personal interview. You suggested the board just gave Moyes the job as evidenced by your initial reply:



I told you that they did not need to interview or see in person other candidates. They could have considered several candidates, analysed these candidates and then chose the one they deemed most suitable to the position.

Your logic is unbelievable. I'm not sure how it is even possible.



You said:



And so I replied stating actually it isn't blind faith. You said his supporters have only blind faith therefore you must think doing well away from home is not a sign he might not be completely out of his depth, he might actually have potential to achieve the objectives next season.

He has under performed and failed to achieve his objectives this season. However let's not assume those who support him have nothing but blind faith.



Let us firstly establish counter attacking football is not a negative tactic. Building a solid defensive foundation and launching from there is not a negative tactic. The objective is still very much so to win the game of football.

Those that support him plausibly argue his counter attacking approach has been successful away from home when teams are more likely to attack in their bid to win the game however at home he hasn't implemented the same counter attacking approach. A lot of teams have been a little more cautious requiring him to take control of the game and creatively break teams down however he has struggled with this. It's a skill he must better develop, teams play differently at Old Trafford than they did at Goodison. His supporters plausibly argue he can solve this issue going into next season by learning from his own errors and even improving his coaching staff. And if he did so then he will get more points.

There is no guarantee his replacement will be successful therefore if the problems are known and solutions will likely be successfully implemented then this might tempt the board to give him a little more time. Again, in my opinion, the board must do what they think is right.



You completely miss the point. It is not about sacking him because he has failed this season, it is about determining the chance of him getting top four next season (so 80 points or above to be on the safe side). If he can achieve next season's objectives and the board are confident of this then it is in their interest to keep him on.

You seem to want him punished for his failures. By your logic of focusing on this failed season neglecting what he could do next season, you would sooner have him sacked this season because he failed even if he would win the league next season and get in a new manager on the risk that manager might not even make top four next season.

When the focal point is on whether he can achieve the objectives next season then things change. If the board are confident in this after launching their inquest then despite his failures this season it makes sense to not sack a manager they are confident will successfully fulfil the required objectives next season.

Whether he can get 80 or more points next season is another debate. That's for the board to determine and I will support their decision.

I will say this, I have been left very disappointed like you. And I will be very nervous going into next season because of this season's failure. However, I do think the board want the share price to rise and so will determine whether he is the right man to lead United into next season or whether they need to pursue another manager. And they have done well so far getting many decisions right (e.g. look at the commercial growth). This is another one of those decisions they must get right.

What signs this season have there been of any consistent improvement?

It's not the failings of this season which quite frankly have been catastrophic by our clubs standards it's the lack of learning and improvement in our play.

Any fool could see what Rodgers was doing at Liverpool, in spite of the results last season and in the same breath it was equally obvious how bad Hodgson was. You didn't hear opposition fans hoping for Rodgers to stay like you did with Hodgson and like you do now with Moyes.

If we don't act now, it will be a huge mistake and that point WILL be proven when we sack him next season. He's just not good enough and that is obvious.
 
His face after they scored was about the best summary of his time at United. He's not cut out for this kind of pressure.
 
Today I will learn that Moyes is responsible for:

Rooney missing 2 clear cut chances

Vidic switching off for 2 goals

Evra switching off for 3 goals

A deflection
 
Time is up, leaving an injured Rooney on takes the biscuit, he has no guts and is clueless when a tactical change is needed in order to turn a game.
 
At least we know who wears the pants in the Rooney-Moyes relationship. Pathetic decision making by Moyes.
 
Today I will learn that Moyes is responsible for:

Rooney missing 2 clear cut chances

Vidic switching off for 2 goals

Evra switching off for 3 goals

A deflection

Moyes is responsible for the 26% possession at home and the lack of any plan B. Which has been evident since his appointment. It's like he has a memory wipe after every game or has no ability to learn. Standards and expectations have dropped at our club and sitting deep hoping to nick a goal has become a good performance for man Utd.

Sack this clown and sack him now.
 
Today I will learn that Moyes is responsible for:

Rooney missing 2 clear cut chances

Vidic switching off for 2 goals

Evra switching off for 3 goals

A deflection

Vidic and Evra have been switching off all season. And yet, there they are.

Rooney either was too injured to start or should have been subbed. He wasn't.
 
Guardiola took off their 37 million signing and changed the game.

Moyes just stood there when we were 2-1 down and even left our worst attacker on, preferring to play him in midfield rather than sub him.

Fact is, can anyone ever see Moyes making difficult decisions that change a game? Or drop a star player for underperforming? I cannot. He's just too weak and scared to ever be a top manager.
 
Can we please sack him now? Nothing more to play for this season and I've really started to dislike the guy.

This is not based on today's performance, by the way. We came out of those two games looking better than I feared going into the ties.
 
Nothing that happened over the two legs would make you change your mind about Moyes one way or the other.
 
Hernandez for Fletcher wasn't smart, he looked at loss as to what to do yet again. He shit's it in big moments. Can't help but feel this tie flattered Moyes because it allowed him to revert to type. Plucky underdog, well organised (well until we scored), come close but don't quite do it, sounds like Moyes at Everton.
 
He can't really take much blame for tonight, we are a much inferior side to Bayern. But considering how bad this season has been, it's really unbelievable how Moyes has just gotten a bye for this year.
 
Stuck with the mid table mindset today as usual and was afraid to make important changes. Moyes needs to go.
 
I'm not too annoyed with Moyes after that. Well, apart from taking us out of the CL next year, obviously. He set us up well, and for the first 10 minutes of the second half we were the better team.

Leaving Rooney on was mental though. No other top club manager would have. Am I also right in thinking we still had a sub to make? He's just really quite bad with subs. Both making them and identifying them. I'm struggling to think of a single game where he's made a match winning change. Anyone?

So yeah, the more I think about it, the more I can blame him, but my instinct is that he did quite well. For him. I mean, this would've been a great result for Everton.
 
Unlucky tonight - I fear that it's bought him more time however. The game really did highlight our failure in the transfer market - no midfield and no left back.
 
What signs this season have there been of any consistent improvement?

It's not the failings of this season which quite frankly have been catastrophic by our clubs standards it's the lack of learning and improvement in our play.

Any fool could see what Rodgers was doing at Liverpool, in spite of the results last season and in the same breath it was equally obvious how bad Hodgson was. You didn't hear opposition fans hoping for Rodgers to stay like you did with Hodgson and like you do now with Moyes.

If we don't act now, it will be a huge mistake and that point WILL be proven when we sack him next season. He's just not good enough and that is obvious.
Today I will learn that Moyes is responsible for:

Rooney missing 2 clear cut chances

Vidic switching off for 2 goals

Evra switching off for 3 goals

A deflection
Indeed. Moyes did as well as could be expected with this group of players. He will still get stick because most posters on here have completely lost the plot when it comes to Moyes. I can abide criticism of the man, but only when it's due
 
We all knew he was strategically inept -- a trait exposed again today -- but I wasn't aware he was quite so gutless. He left Rooney on for the whole game today, despite Wayne having his typically awful performance in a big match. He even shifted him into midfield, so desperate was he to keep him on. Pathetic. Out of every single thing he's done wrong this season (and there are a lot to pick from) his single greatest mistake was bending over for Rooney and giving in to his every demand. We should have sacked the potato-headed prick out in the summer, but now we're lumbered with a 300k a week fatso who doesn't give a feck.
 
People desperate to blame everything on Moyes is hilarious.

We made errors. Bayern are a top side. Didnt really expect a win. Its fine.

Moyes is settling in to the job. The caf can hate all they want. He is staying...
 
The two matches against Bayern have been progress in my eyes. We went further in this years CL than I would have thought, and going out against Bayern Munich anno 2014 is something most United teams of any time would have done. Not really sure these two games are the ones to (continue to) beat Moyes with.
 
I think he's the only man in the whole world who thought that leaving Rooney on was a good idea
 
Did well today until the pressure piled on us. Had no answer to going behind.

Overall, I don't think anyone has changed their mind about him on the back of a few decent results and a brave display as underdogs this evening. He's not good enough, and although he may 'learn' the job in time, we don't (or shouldn't) have that time to give.
 
Nothing to play for now, so sack the man. He's utterly failed to make the most if his opportunity. I'm not sure there's many managers that wouldn't have done a better job.
 
Credit to Moyes for how he set us up over this tie. I always believed we could bear Bayern, and I saw enough to convince me. He came to the Allianz and more than competed I think.

End of the day, perfection was required over 180 mins, and we fell just short of that.
 
Get rid of him please. Had no faith he'd come up with a masterstroke. Was completely reliant on the players past mentalities to drag us through.
 
Can't believe he took of our most dangerous player and kept Rooney on.
 
He can't really take much blame for tonight, we are a much inferior side to Bayern. But considering how bad this season has been, it's really unbelievable how Moyes has just gotten a bye for this year.
Of course he can. He kept Rooney on the pitch for 90 minutes and subbed players who were actually contributing.
 
People desperate to blame everything on Moyes is hilarious.

We made errors. Bayern are a top side. Didnt really expect a win. Its fine.

Moyes is settling in to the job. The caf can hate all they want. He is staying...

He made mistakes tonight. Criticism is warranted.
 
Credit to Moyes for how he set us up over this tie. I always believed we could bear Bayern, and I saw enough to convince me. He came to the Allianz and more than competed I think.

End of the day, perfection was required over 180 mins, and we fell just short of that.
Exactly, in the 150th minute of a 180 minute tie we were beating the best team in the world. He's hardly had a nightmare here.
 
He can't really take much blame for tonight, we are a much inferior side to Bayern. But considering how bad this season has been, it's really unbelievable how Moyes has just gotten a bye for this year.
I'll admit tonight was down to the players but moyes offers us nothing from the bench. When your team needs some inspiration most look to the bench. He just sits there staring back at them. His subs were odd too but then again what's new about that
 
I don't think he should've kept Rooney on for the whole thing.

The rest of his decisions, in both legs, I think he got right. We lost to the best team in the world. It happens. I really think we did pretty much all we could.
 
The Hernandez substitution didn't make sense for me, but ok. Other than that, Moyes was ok I thought. We defended so well until we scored
 
Indeed. Moyes did as well as could be expected with this group of players. He will still get stick because most posters on here have completely lost the plot when it comes to Moyes. I can abide criticism of the man, but only when it's due

Could I point out that we were the better team against Real Madrid (with Ronaldo) only this time last year, until a ref ruined the game.

Wake up!! He isn't going to get any better. That much I can promise you.
 
I'll admit tonight was down to the players but moyes offers us nothing from the bench. When your team needs some inspiration most look to the bench. He just sits there staring back at them. His subs were odd too but then again what's new about that

Fair point, he's not much of a tactician or a motivator. I am trying my best to be lenient on Moyes as the likelihood is, he will still be the United manager next season.
 
Today I will learn that Moyes is responsible for:

Rooney missing 2 clear cut chances

Vidic switching off for 2 goals

Evra switching off for 3 goals

A deflection

Was it also not his fault he doesn't have the balls to sub off Rooney?
 
People who keep saying Bayern are the best team in the world, they are not, they are good but they have their weaknesses.

Only critiscim of Moyes is he kept Rooney on when he should have gone off.
 
Tactics were great but his reaction after Bayern scored was non-existent. Keeping Rooney during the entire match was also a very bad decision. He needs to start making big decisions if he ever hopes to become a good manager for us.

Anyway, this wasn't the game which should decide anything. We would have lost most of the times regardless of the manager.
 
We are gonna have to tolerate him some more, it's just a fact we have to deal with.

He will get a summer to buy and a winter to fix us, if he can't get the job done then feck him off.
 
Of course he can. He kept Rooney on the pitch for 90 minutes and subbed players who were actually contributing.
Maybe but that's a gamble he had to take. Other than that, he did ok. FFS, we played away against Munich, the best team by far
 
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