Reading through the hysteria in here and elsewhere... I'm glad our board of directors is made up of people like Fergie and Charlton, who know a thing or two about football and giving managers time to do their thing. That's a shooting thought 
Moyes So Far!
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Is it Rio just being overplayed or is he not on his game. It is such a difference to last season, although to be honest we weren't great at the start.
Rather childish answer. Anyway, Sir Alex started to turn it around a lot quicker, not 6 years.
Reading through the hysteria in here and elsewhere... I'm glad our board of directors is made up of people like Fergie and Charlton, who know a thing or two about football and giving managers time to do their thing. That's a shooting thought
I am perfectly willing to give him time, it just a bit baffling as to why things have changed so much. I knew there would be changes, but the standard of play has be awful, the players just look clueless.
Ferguson is pretty much the exception to the rule of successful managers. For everyone else in the past 20 years, they either win it within two years of taking over, or not at all.
Reading through the hysteria in here and elsewhere... I'm glad our board of directors is made up of people like Fergie and Charlton, who know a thing or two about football and giving managers time to do their thing. That's a shooting thought
People aren't asking for his head ffs.
They are just debating whether it would be acceptable for him to be sacked if we were to finish outside the top 4.
Btw, what are your thoughts on the above?
Exactly. I don't get why, then, has he selected and passed the baton to a 'mediocre' manager?
If I am not mistaken, Moyes trains player hard but he also based his tactics on hard working players with not that much technical ability, but are strong and run a lot. Okay, not like Stoke, but also completely different to United. If he tries to implement this tactic here, the only possible way is to get rid of most of our squad, you cannot force players like RVP, Kagawa, Hernandez, Nani, Carrick etc play in that way.
RVP looked completely out of character against Liverpool and now seems lost. Chicha celebration (and his nnervousism in last match) was something new for him, I guess that while we don't know the reasons things aren't that well in the dressing room.
Rio is out of form. Happens to professional footballers.
Reading through the hysteria in here and elsewhere... I'm glad our board of directors is made up of people like Fergie and Charlton, who know a thing or two about football and giving managers time to do their thing. That's a shooting thought
Liverpool fell because they gave time to managers who didn't deserve it.
David Moyes has taken over the reigning champions here. If he doesn't show that he has the potential to be at that level then he is not right for us and it wouldn't matter if we gave him all the time in the world that's not going to change.
Yes - but surely you can agree that none of the questions you're asking there have been answered? You're just being incredibly pessimistic, man - I don't see the point, frankly. Why not wait a bit and see?
That was what was worrying me a bit, we always used to have really hard working players, but with technical ability as well, now some of them I find a bit lazy. He might need to change the focus of his training methods. Ok you want them to be still full of running at the end of the season, but not to the detriment of the skill side. He cannot compare, Hernandez with Anichebe.
As long as there aren't major signs of rot (no control over dressing room and such) at the end of the season, I don't think sacking him is acceptable. For his first season, I'd say finishing position is not hugely concern worthy.
I see that too but I think the circumstances haven't helped. Let's give it a few more weeks till we judge style of play.
Nothing to do with "accepting mediocrity" (for the record, a genuinely "mediocre" season would involve finishing a lot worse than 5th) but it can't just be a coincidence that so many older posters are taking a long-term view and so many younger posters seem unable to do the same. I don't think anyone wants people to feel bad for not being old enough to remember supporting a team that isn't extremely successful but it's frustrating to read so many posts on here that can only come from an extreme sense of entitlement. God help them all if they'd had to support - for example - Liverpool this last couple of decades. Their heads would have probably exploded by the late 90s...
Here you are, this one's on me:
http://www.spring.org.uk/2011/08/feeling-anxious-5-scientifically-proven-relaxation-techniques.php
http://www.spring.org.uk/2011/08/feeling-anxious-5-scientifically-proven-relaxation-techniques.php
Possibly but as I also suffer from balancing my back injury and playing there is a level of rest required to be able to perform at 100%. I can see it in his timidness and reaction time that he isn't fully confident in his injury.
I know this sounds like a stretch but if you've ever suffered from disk/back issues it's easy to spot.
I don't think it makes Moyes a 'bad' manager, it makes him not as good as Sir Alex. Nobody is as good as Sir Alex, not Moyes, not Mourinho, not Klopp, none of them. Sir Alex didn't used to be as good as Sir Alex... it took time. The club either believe Moyes can do it or they don't and if they don't they shouldn't have appointed him. I don't want Manchester United to become a hire and fire club just because of a sparse season (which we haven't had yet!), I think it's manifestly obvious that backing a manager you believe is the right thing to do. That's what we did with Sir Alex, I see no reason to change it.
And the point about Tommy Doc not getting sacked after relegation wasn't about loyalty - Christ, many wanted him hanged! But the facts are that it was a pretty good squad, lacking in experience. The season in division 2 was actually brilliant, they romped it playing some splendid football, gained loads of confidence and then did well in the First Division and won a few cups. Not really relevant though as you say.
Haha jokes on you.
Moyes won't be getting you a username change this season, so you won't be emulating Elvis anytime soon.
Suck on that.
So you can handle a new manager coming in and taking the current PL winners down to a fith place? Not even in the CL?
The scale of revisionism post Fergie is now staggering...
I don't agree with a lot of decisions made by Moyes so far but I can see why he has made those decisions. I feel he is slowly getting to grips with the squad and we will definitely see an improvement as the season goes on. We will be definitely there fighting for top positions towards the end of the season. If I remember correctly even his Everton team used to start slowly more often than not (apart from last season), so maybe there is something for him to change so that he gets that part of it right. One thing which he should definitely improve on is his PR and getting on the same side as the team in public.
He has over-performed so far in his career with the resources available to him, so once he gets his bearings right I am sure he will do well even here. That I think is the reason he was chosen, along with his willingness to try youngsters out even if it is a little risky.
Yes, he should have done much better in the first six games, but it is completely premature to start panicking and imagining worst case scenarios.
He has over-performed so far in his career with the resources available to him, so once he gets his bearings right I am sure he will do well even here. That I think is the reason he was chosen, along with his willingness to try youngsters out even if it is a little risky.
Yes, he should have done much better in the first six games, but it is completely premature to start panicking and imagining worst case scenarios.
Just seen this. So Brenton should get the elbow if Libverpool don't win the league this season?
Can you honestly say we played that well last season? We had the same problem of a lack of creativity, namely due to the poor return from Valencia and Young who were more used than Nani and Kagawa for various reasons. Last season RVP made the most of his chances, rather than us providing him a plethora of chances to chose from. Similar thing so far this season but we've been caught out more by it because of other issues in the team such as defence, again for a number of reasons, some of them Moyes fault some of them not and also because of the nature of the games.
So far though he's got Rooney playing very well, Nani is looking good and Kagawa is showing signs of bedding in better. Get RVP in form and you've got the basis of a very good attack even if you didn't play all of them. He's also shown he's more than willing to give Januzaj a chance.
Defence is an issue atm, through a combination of the midfield and defenders and hopefully he'll take steps to rectify that.
It's defiitely been a below par start for him, I don't think anyone can or should deny that, but it's not been awful or anything and certainly it's understandable. He's got plenty to learn no doubt but think we need to give him some more time, other fans and the press were always going to make the most of any blip and they will until a title/big trophy is won, but we can show more understanding.
I meant "PL" winners. Sorry.
Yes. It would certainly be hard to stomach though.
Nobody is asking for "all the time in the world". Let's start with a couple of months first, to see how things go, eh?
Who remembers our new year defeat to Steve Keane's Blackburn?
Personally I think Rio's been overplayed, Moyes needs to figure that one out quickly. Was amazed to see him in the team for West Brom.
Did I say that we shouldn't?
Thanks to Paul fecking Pogba nobody is allowed to forget it.
Ah you didn't say so, just thought that it was what you intended to say! My bad.
Yeah. I have to say it's getting quite tedious people comparing when SAF took over and Moyes taking over. The two situations aren't comparable. You are completely right, a top four place is absolutely the minimal that is expected.
I struggle to understand how anyone could want him to stay if he missed out on the top four this season. It's all good trying to be different from other clubs and giving him time, but it would be far too big of a risk to let him continue after that. We're talking about one of the biggest clubs in the world; you can't gamble on someone who will have looked hopeless in his first season with a club the size of this. We're not talking about a manager who's experienced in this position and you can reference his past achievements as to say he needs time - there's no evidence of that.
IMO, the whole 'give our manager time' thing was done under the presumption that he'd steady the ship i.e. stay in the top four, and everyone would be content with that but dropping out of the top 4 with a title winning side and a club the size of this would be far too big of a risk for Manchester United to take.
IMO, the whole 'give our manager time' thing was done under the presumption that he'd steady the ship i.e. stay in the top four, and everyone would be content with that but dropping out of the top 4 with a title winning side and a club the size of this would be far too big of a risk for Manchester United to take.
I know you did, man - I know you did.
The way I see it the model isn't fixed here - in terms of your hypothetical scenario, I mean. The PL won't be a walk in the park this season. Possibly more competitive than...ever? At any rate - competitive. What Moyes has said is true, we all know it: Last season wasn't the toughest. Our closest rivals under-performed. These rivals have strengthened over the summer and both Spurs and Arsenal have done the same. It isn't obvious that our squad, now under the management of a man who has the hardest job in football at the moment, is simply good enough to stroll in to a top four finish under these circumstances. It really isn't. It could be a very close race.
Moyes could be doing a lot of things right as we go along - and we'll still fall short of that magical 4th spot. It should not be the be all, end all condition here. If we believe that he is the right man in the long run, we stick by him as long as he isn't showing obvious signs of not handling the job. That was the deal in many ways: We went with the long-term option. It would be ridiculous to sack him prematurely given this. What would be a sackable offense, you may ask? Well, that has to be assessed on its own terms entirely for me. If he can't handle the players at all, if we play extremely dire football with poor results over a sustained period while he shows signs of having no master plan at all - anything, really. But nothing as simple and fixed as not making the top four. Not for me.
If we missed out on top four without a serious injury crisis he'd have to go, no excuses.
I still don't see that happening though.
No. Winning the league isn't his target right now.
The analogy is apt enough if the message is: Have some patience. Everybody understands that "give him time" comes with "within reason". If we had been relegated after Fergie's second season, he would have been kicked out. Then again these things tend to go at least somewhat together. If your man is doing something right, as Fergie was, he will not be likely to steer the team to relegation. But he might have trouble getting it to the summit right away and there might be "blows" along the way, to use Moyes' words.
Well, he's got 4th wrapped up already - what, with those extra ten points coming in so easily. Why not aim even higher?
if he can't get 4th with this squad, first season or not, he is "NOT" the right man for the job.
I bet that Mourinho and Klopp would have no problem getting us into 4th barring any force majeur
And if Moyes doesn't get us 4th , it doesn't matter if he wants to stay for 30 years, he'll get the boot either way. So there's "long term manager" goes down the drain
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