Moyes So Far!

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City didn't get out of 3rd gear and still walked through us.

Moyes is an absolute farce. What the feck were the club thinking appointing this joker. It was never going to work.
 
sullydnl said:
Nah, of course he's bothered by them, he's not stupid. He knows his job is at risk and his reputation is taking a pummeling. The problem is that he genuinely doesn't know what to do to fix these problems and he genuinely doesn't know what to say when he has to defend himself after yet another embarrassment. He's bewildered by what's happening and that results in these stupid comments.
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It's not though is it. All Moyes has done is maintain an arrogance stance on how he'll definitely be here next year with a billion pounds to spend. And all the signs point to him being here even if we lose every game for the rest of the season.
 
Cal? said:
I'd rather the Glazers keep it than Moyes spent it.
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Given the usual line his defenders have trotted out of late, his best tactic for keeping the job is to not spend any of the money, thereby eliminating our chance of judging his performance because, after all, he won't have had the chance to get his own players in. Rinse and repeat every summer.
 
His only solution to our problems that I have seen is the he says we will spend a lot of money and buy better players. A manager must be able to offer more than that as a solution.
 
shaggy said:
Moyes is used to these defeats at Everton so I honestly don't think he's too bothered by them. It's on to the next game for him. His comments about "aspiring to be like City" are a complete embarrassment when we have players capable of putting in a hell of a lot better performance than that against them.
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Did he really say that? Honestly? If he did, he can shove off now. I can't remember a single United manager, from Busby up to Fergie, that ever said that they want Manchester United to aspire to be like fecking City.
 
Rowem said:
I don't really understand this question. He clearly needs time. Whether United should give him time is another question.

I definitely think that in time he would do better, but then I highly doubt he will ever do well enough.

With my Nostradamus hat on I would say he will probably get us back into the CL, but I can't see him ever winning us the title.
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I should have worded that better. I probably should have said "deserves more time". I don't think its even a question at this stage whether he should be given longer but given the incompetency that led to him getting the job in the first place I wouldn't be surprised if the board decides to stick with him out of sheer stubbornness.

I'm not convinced at all that he will improve with time. If anything he could get worse. He always was a very one-dimensional manager. I can't imagine him getting us to play any other way. The longer he is at the club the more he will lose the players and fans which will probably lead to things getting worse. Even the argument that if given money he could turn things around doesn't work in my eyes. We are dealing with a manager that spent £27.5 million on a player that is worth half that at a push. When he did bring in a world-class player he has proceeded to make him look very ordinary in the space of a couple of weeks.

As for getting us back in the top 4 I am not so sure. Chelsea and City have two spots nailed down already. Liverpool are a relatively young team who are on the up and have an excellent manager. Arsenal possibly may go through a similar patch to us when Wenger retires but I imagine they will go about appointing his successor as a professional football club should and will actually carry out interviews with a number of candidates and not simply allow Wenger pick his best mate.
 
Moriarty said:
Did he really say that? Honestly? If he did, he can shove off now. I can't remember a single United manager, from Busby up to Fergie, that ever said that they want Manchester United to aspire to be like fecking City.
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When he's come out with things like "we've got to be hard to beat" against Newcastle, it's difficult to even be surprised by stuff like that anymore.
 
Moriarty said:
Did he really say that? Honestly? If he did, he can shove off now. I can't remember a single United manager, from Busby up to Fergie, that ever said that they want Manchester United to aspire to be like fecking City.
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Yep -from the BBC "I think we have played a very good side, playing at the sort of level we are aspiring to". Playing at the sort of level we were before you came in and wrecked us :rolleyes:

Redcafe doesn't even break now when we lose it's so fecking common.
 
Cal? said:
We were 11pts ahead of that level.
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aye, I mean in talent and performance. SAF made up that points difference, but we've looked like small boys against City before, even with SAF in charge
 
shaggy said:
Yep -from the BBC "I think we have played a very good side, playing at the sort of level we are aspiring to". Playing at the sort of level we were before you came in and wrecked us :rolleyes:

Redcafe doesn't even break now when we lose it's so fecking common.
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He really is a clueless oaf isn't he. Let Phil Neville or Giggs be the spokesman.
 
RedSky At Night said:
I disagree, look at the players we've brought in. Mata is a world class player and Fellaini was terrific at Everton. But both at United are garbage. Carricks gone from midfielder of the year to someone who's struggling massively for form. They're not the only exceptions, it's right across the squad.

I've said it all season, I think Ferguson probably over achieved with the squad he had. But with the additions of Mata, Fellaini and Januzaj we shouldn't be in the position we are. Dave has woefully underachieved with the same squad + 70m odd of signings. Confidence shattered in the team, players don't really look like giving it their all for the manager. Just seems like we're doing the motions now waiting for the season to end. I have zero confidence that he can motivate these players for a title push next year. We're struggling to win games, let alone go on a run. Sigh.
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Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that the gap as it is now is indicative of the quality of the squad and that only. I agree that Moyes has underachieved with what he has and I expected a drop off but not to this extent.

Fellaini being "excellent at Everton" is like being the world's tallest midget. He was never the right fit for United. Everyone saw that one coming.

That and the wholesale change of backroom staff was a complete balls up. It set the tone from before a ball was even kicked.
 
Aspiring to be like City, feck me. We are through the looking glass now folks.
 
Every time he talks about hard games or tough games it annoys me SO much.
 
I'd really love to have heard what Scholes said in the studio after. Apparently he said that Rio has to retire. Strong stuff.
 
CassiusClaymore said:
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that the gap as it is now is indicative of the quality of the squad and that only. I agree that Moyes has underachieved with what he has and I expected a drop off but not to this extent.

Fellaini being "excellent at Everton" is like being the world's tallest midget. He was never the right fit for United. Everyone saw that one coming.

That and the wholesale change of backroom staff was a complete balls up. It set the tone from before a ball was even kicked.
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Mate, I hate Fellaini with a passion and didn't want him at our club. But you can't knock what he did at Everton, he played well there. The real issue I have, is when you have pundits like Paul Scholes telling us the Manager needs to know his players. How long was Fellaini at Everton? It's a nonsense point.
 
CassiusClaymore said:
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that the gap as it is now is indicative of the quality of the squad and that only. I agree that Moyes has underachieved with what he has and I expected a drop off but not to this extent.

Fellaini being "excellent at Everton" is like being the world's tallest midget. He was never the right fit for United. Everyone saw that one coming.

That and the wholesale change of backroom staff was a complete balls up. It set the tone from before a ball was even kicked.
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Everyone bar a guy (and a few Caftards who believed that saying a lie loudly for a few times will make it a reality).
 
Mainoldo said:
How about Everton, Tottenham, Arsenal, Liverpool and Chelsea? Where we nowhere near their current level too? We seemed pretty close to Madrid last season.
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Yeah, we were similar or better than most those teams last year, bar Madrid. Chelsea have improved quite a lot and Liverpool by a few levels. Madrid in the CL was SAF at his tactical best. But my point is just this: we've not been a top class side for a while. "Good enough" maybe, but not as good as we can be. Of course, now we're miles away from that and it seems taken as a given that we'll have to be shite for a while in order for Moyes to push through his plans...

Did think it was interesting that Scholes doubted that Moyes was really backed last summer FWIW
 
How about that, he hasn't been sacked. He won't be sacked.

I wish I could turn the champions into shit then aspire to be as good as the rivals that we were better than not 12 months ago and keep my job.

I think I'll go to work tomorrow and make a complete hash of everything, and do that for a year and then see what happens. Then when I inevitably get fired I'll see if United will hire me in any role. I will get a job, even if I'm wiping up barf. Then I'll make sure to fail miserably at it, repeatedly. Then when told to shape up or ship out, I'll say only if David Moyes does it first. I know this is a 1-2 year plan but lets be honest Dear David is going no where.
 
Can someone compile a list of all this seasons disasters, coupled with all the new records broken, our worst results, our terrible decisions, our greatest headlines, include the summer transfer window and a disastrous pre-season and stick it all into a 4 hour you tube video.
Thanks.

Oh and yes I've been at the sauce
 
To be fair to Moyes the players he signs aren't bad. Fellaini and Mata are clearly good players, he just has no idea how to deploy or motivate them. Everton doing so well is down to a good bunch of signings but they now have a decent manager. He should have been a scout not a manager and certainly not a top club manager.
 
Mainoldo said:
How about Everton, Tottenham, Arsenal, Liverpool and Chelsea? Where we nowhere near their current level too? We seemed pretty close to Madrid last season.
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Ssssssssssssh, we have been shit for years, only Fergie made us Champions.
 
Twisted_Woody said:
How about that, he hasn't been sacked. He won't be sacked.

I wish I could turn the champions into shit then aspire to be as good as the rivals that we were better than not 12 months ago and keep my job.

I think I'll go to work tomorrow and make a complete hash of everything, and do that for a year and then see what happens. Then when I inevitably get fired I'll see if United will hire me in any role. I will get a job, even if I'm wiping up barf. Then I'll make sure to fail miserably at it, repeatedly. Then when told to shape up or ship out, I'll say only if David Moyes does it first. I know this is a 1-2 year plan but lets be honest Dear David is going no where.
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Wow

Your post is even dafter than mine.

Well done
 
All 3 United said:
To be fair to Moyes the players he signs aren't bad. Fellaini and Mata are clearly good players, he just has no idea how to deploy or motivate them. Everton doing so well is down to a good bunch of signings but they now have a decent manager. He should have been a scout not a manager and certainly not a top club manager.
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There's been talk that Mata was not Moyes' doing but the club's with Gill and Fergie pulling the strings. Don't know if that's just paper talk though.
 
Really hard to understand how a guy that fecks up his job so badly can still be in charge of it after almost a year nowadays. Wish I worked for United.
 
simonhch said:
I'd really love to have heard what Scholes said in the studio after. Apparently he said that Rio has to retire. Strong stuff.
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I'd like to see one former player who's still held in high regard at the club come out and be completely and utterly honest with their views. I feel like there's too many at the moment who are on the fringes, ie Scholes, and want to speak the truth, but don't want to risk falling out with the fans/Fergie, which is fair enough when you consider the high regard they are held in.
 
sullydnl said:
Nah, of course he's bothered by them, he's not stupid.
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Really? And how did you know that?

sullydnl said:
He knows his job is at risk and his reputation is taking a pummeling. The problem is that he genuinely doesn't know what to do to fix these problems and he genuinely doesn't know what to say when he has to defend himself after yet another embarrassment. He's bewildered by what's happening and that results in these stupid comments.
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Only stupid people would behave like this though... Or just being selfish?
 
It also pisses me off how every week his instructions are so evidently b******s that he has to spend the first 10 minutes ranting and raving at players from the technical area and later on in the game when we're in desperate need of some inspiration he sits gloomy faced on the bench doing sod all. Every week he does that.
 
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