If he does get the sack, you really do have to wonder where he'd end up going. Everton wouldn't even have him back now.
Moyes So Far!
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PL clubs change managers so quickly that it wouldn't be long before he's somewhere nearer his level like West Brom.
Plenty of chairmen for lower-table teams would wet themselves at the prospect of getting him.
Stability and mediocrity, they love that stuff.
The board won't sack him this summer without massive pressure from the fans.
If the fans start showing they have lost all faith in Moyes and his staff during matches then I can see their hand being forced. I don't like to be that type of club, but in reality the fans have been amazing to Moyes, although he wasn't the popular choice, he still gets his name sung at every match.
We've had some embarressing results, yet we've stuck by him. Recently, it has started becoming apparant at matches that there are a few grumbles, even the die hard away support is slowly turning against him. I can't see the support improving unless we basically go on a miracle run of results playing great football...which would be a miracle.
If the fans really want him gone and show it, then he will.
If the fans start showing they have lost all faith in Moyes and his staff during matches then I can see their hand being forced. I don't like to be that type of club, but in reality the fans have been amazing to Moyes, although he wasn't the popular choice, he still gets his name sung at every match.
We've had some embarressing results, yet we've stuck by him. Recently, it has started becoming apparant at matches that there are a few grumbles, even the die hard away support is slowly turning against him. I can't see the support improving unless we basically go on a miracle run of results playing great football...which would be a miracle.
If the fans really want him gone and show it, then he will.
This. The idea of a long-term manager really shouldn't be sought after so highly anymore. We need to move on from this idea. I'd rather have a stable infrastructure with a merry go round of managers every 3 or 4 years rather than trying to go long-term with one and inevitably encountering these sort of situations.
It may not be as bad as what we're seeing now but when you have someone that big leave and the succession plan is executed poorly, you're only asking for trouble
Didn't know where else to ask this:
Could someone please explain to me what the so often used term "percentage football" refers to?
If I understood correctly, it refers to crossing and hoping for the best?
Could someone please explain to me what the so often used term "percentage football" refers to?
If I understood correctly, it refers to crossing and hoping for the best?
Mr Man Utd pipes in:
This stood out as the most blinkered, ridiculously stupid statement:
This stood out as the most blinkered, ridiculously stupid statement:
Moyes will take a year out after this charade ends and then take the Scotland job. That's my hunch.
If he does come back to the PL I would imagine any of the following...
West Brom
West Ham
Sunderland after Poyet moves on?
Stoke possibly
Norwich
Hull
His football isn't good enough for Swansea, Southampton, Everton anymore, even Newcastle.
Pardew's eventual replacement at Newcastle perhaps, i can see Ashley being drawn the idea of having a former United manager in charge.
The media will circle the wagons around Moyes no matter waht so his reputation won't be too diminished.
Whether the fans accept it or don't, I don't think you can particulary complain that the board attempted getting in a manager with the future in mind, hoping he'd be able to lead the club for many years. I does look like it was the wrong decision, but hopefully they'll realise this and change the policy before any further damage is caused.
Thing is, he's failed to get top 4 with Man Utd, so any club that has serious ambitions of top 4 (even if those ambitions are deluded) won't take him.
The top 4 is Moyes' glass ceiling. It is to Moyes as the World Cup is to England - did it once, still living off that.
I believe it refers to a style of football that is based on attempting to score by lumping it to the striker / players inside the box as many times as possible, with the logic that some are bound to be converted.
He's a cnut and he's talking shit. There is no "United philosophy" based on "giving every manager a few years". Wilf McGuinness didn't get a few years. Frank O'Farrell didn't get a few years.
Let's go back to the days when Man. Utd. were almost bankrupt in the 1930's. Up came J.W.Gibson to come and save us. He invested heavily into the team to pay for the players' wages and stabilised them, financially. Gibson also personally appointed Scott Duncan to manage the team after Crickmer's caretaker stint. Duncan was given the funds to bring the club back on track and back into the First Division. He didn't do so well, however, only spending 1 season in the First Division, even after being funded well by Gibson. Duncan stayed at the club for 5 years before he left to manage Ipswich Town.
That was an anomaly, however, seeing as how McGuinness and O'Farrell had short reigns. However, The Doc also took a couple of seasons to rebuild Sir Matt's team. He even suffered relegation, yet built up the team to become title contenders the season after that. What if it would take Moyes as much time as it took the Doc to show signs of improvement?
This is why I say that Sir Alex, Sir Bobby, etc., know best in dealing with Moyes. If they don't see signs of improvement, they will act accordingly.
No, he's not. There's not need to talk about a legend of this club for airing his views about the club. He has earned the right to do so, whether you agree or not.
I don't agree with him, but that's my opinion. Just because it worked 27 years ago, doesn't mean it will work in todays fast moving, modern football. The earlier we act, the better I believe.
What does he care more about though - what's absolutely best for Manchester United Football Club, or what's best for his brother, his own flesh and blood?
And by the way, I don't have any less respect for G.Nev as an ex player, but he's so Moyes biased it's almost awkward to watch.
I agree he's now started to sound very bias towards our club. Last year he wasn't, he was actually able to give both sides of the arguments well.
I just think he is passionate about the club and it's 'philosophy' and I feel that he actually believes the words he is saying. I don't think we can judge what his motives are, because it's clearly not to keep his bother in a job, that's first and foremost. I just think he is hurting and his massive love for the club is showing. He was under the regime of sticking by your manager and he's made a fortune off it. He's not stupid, so he most likely is able to see the massive problems we are facing, but his answer is to stick not twist.
I do not agree with him, just for the record.
That's it though, is it really 'towards our club'? Or simply bias toward the Moyes regime, a regime that contains his own brother.
How does anyone who truly wants what's best for the club keep bleating the same nonsensical propaganda while we bomb out of every competition and watch a coaching team fail this badly?
He won't even critique Moyes tactically - which is an almost impossible task when your job is to sit around critiquing the tactics of football matches, and one team in-particular's baffling tactics are the talk of every footy fan.
I respect your post, and I don't doubt that G.Nev loves United, but he also loves his brother dearly, and he loves Fergie, and he's good mates with Moyes.
But lets not limit this to Neville. During this joke of a season, the whole pundit-circuit has been exposed as nothing more than an 'old boys' network who sit spewing out whatever inoffensive clap-trap passes as 'insight' while ripping foreign coaches apart - AVB - and going to bizarre lengths to protect their fraternal chums - Moyes. None of them give a flying fuk about Man Utd really, and none of them feel what we feel - powerless, helpless and hurting to see our club sink like this...
How can they feel what we feel? No matter how much they may put across the mannerisms of the 'every man', they're a bunch of millionaire TV faces.
I've asked you about 5 or 6 times now, is your name inspired by Fine Young Cannibals? Anyways, Your theory on Foreign coaches sound a bit like a conspiracy theory. Arsene Wenger is one of the best loved managers here and he's French. Southampton and Pochetino have a lot of love from the press and he's an Argentine. Maybe he fouled Owen for the penalty and the press are thankful for it, but still it seems a bit crazy. Journo's write contrary opinions and they have a vested interest in selling their newspapers, not the future of David Moyes or English coaches.
Most of these newspapers don't care a bit about England or it's coaches. There could always be soft spots for coaches, 'arry Redknapp for all the talk of media darling, did well with Spurs actually. Maybe he let the team play itself, but still he produced results. At the end of the day, papers and journo's are only there to do one thing, and that's to sell their product.
Most of these newspapers don't care a bit about England or it's coaches. There could always be soft spots for coaches, 'arry Redknapp for all the talk of media darling, did well with Spurs actually. Maybe he let the team play itself, but still he produced results. At the end of the day, papers and journo's are only there to do one thing, and that's to sell their product.
I've now gone past the point of feeling sorry for him for being put in this position in the first place.
Yes, he should never have go the job. Yes, he out of his depth...but ffs, at least make a fist of it, at least fecking try and do something positive. Its his one and only chance at a top club, and he's just watching it drift by. Its just absolutely pathetic what he's doing. And Gary Neville and the likes can do one quite frankly with their comments, they're embarrasing. How a man can be failing as unbelievably spectacularly as Moyes is, and keep his job, is beyond me. He should have been sacked months ago. The useless, anti-football, stupid smiling, gormless, tactically clueless cnut.
Yes, he should never have go the job. Yes, he out of his depth...but ffs, at least make a fist of it, at least fecking try and do something positive. Its his one and only chance at a top club, and he's just watching it drift by. Its just absolutely pathetic what he's doing. And Gary Neville and the likes can do one quite frankly with their comments, they're embarrasing. How a man can be failing as unbelievably spectacularly as Moyes is, and keep his job, is beyond me. He should have been sacked months ago. The useless, anti-football, stupid smiling, gormless, tactically clueless cnut.
If they're not favouring and babying Moyes because he's British then I dunno what to say...
Because of his charming and funny interviews?
Because they genuinely believe he's doing a great job and they care about the plight of Man Utd?
They like his...eyes?
Since you've just flat out stated that you don't believe there's a bias due to him being British, what do you think? I'm intrigued.
They don't want Fergie back in charge busting their balls each week. 
They don't want Fergie back in charge busting their balls each week.
They seem more scared and cagey talking about Moyes than they did Fergie!
Weirdly, Moyes also seems scared and cagey in pretty much all his interviews...
You still continue to evade the question about the Cannibals. I don't know buddy, I'm not a journalist, but maybe they are being drip fed by the club, or maybe they genuinely think Moyes can turn it around, or maybe they want the club to do badly and thereby retain Moyes, or maybe they just want to watch the world burn.
Ok.
I answered your question some days back. Name comes from fashion trend term I've always liked - BEFORE it was adopted by violent idiots.
I do like the music of Gift and co, though. 'Good Thing' is way under-rated, great intro.
That's totally fine but however good their intentions, it's still highly questionable. It doesn't matter who you are, you aren't invincible from making a poor decision. Fergie handpicking our next manager imo is one and I felt that way once news came out he was the one who told Moyes he'd be taking over.
I'm not sure if they'll change the policy. They gave him a 6 year contract. WHen you have the likes of Neville barking on television that our philosophy is to give managers time (hmph poor wilf), I don't think the club is going to let go of Moyes so soon. Much of what Neville has said also aligns with Fergie's views as well. I still find it ridiculous how players who have proven their worth here are in more danger than Moyes according to GNev but I digress.
I honestly feel Fergie and Charlton's stubbornness could get the best of them in this scenario because by giving Moyes a 6 year contract, that seemed more like a statement of intent that sheer long-term planning. We laughed at Newcastle when they gave Pardew an 8 year contract.
Even though I didnt want Moyes, it would be nice to see him turn it around. Sadly, on current evidence, that doesnt look to be the case.
The idea behind bringing Moyes isn't necessarily a bad one but I'm not sure how thoroughly thought out it was. As if we only looked at the positives and put our hope into that. THere's no guarantee that sticking with him will work out. It could go either way. But for me, it's disappointing that we've allowed ourselves to get into this situation.
That Neville article screams please don't sack my brother. It's the players fault he can't coach.
Over the last few months Neville has been speaking a lot of bollocks about us. I've agreed more with Carragher. I feel dirty now for saying that.
Over the last few months Neville has been speaking a lot of bollocks about us. I've agreed more with Carragher. I feel dirty now for saying that.
G.Neville has his opinion and it deserves to be respected but I disagree with almost everything written there and specially apart that football nowadays and is more or less of football back then when SAF took the reigns. SAF was a man who already shown winning mentality and trophies before arriving at Utd and Moyes is the exact opposite and that is without mentioning the current football era which is a lot of different , more cut throat than before and with higher stakes than before. Neville is clearly biased but then again the same could be said about almost any former Utd player who has given his opinion on the issue no matter his stance.
It's clear he's protecting his brother here, but at least he can be a lil subtle about it.
And for those calling him cnuts.... shame on you, that man has done more for us than any of us can ever dream off... Have a little respect ffs
And for those calling him cnuts.... shame on you, that man has done more for us than any of us can ever dream off... Have a little respect ffs
There is no changing Neville's mind. Ill repeat, there are zero signs to indicate moyes deserves time. Hes consistently worse with each passing week.
Leave it out ffs. That's what I think of him and that's what I'll say about him. He has the right to lie and talk bollocks about our club to serve his agenda but I'm not going to swallow it up.He's not just a cnut for writing that shite article ffs. He has been for a while now, IMO. You're going to have to deal with the fact that people have different opinions about former players.
Roy Keane gets slagged off to feck on here, for example. 100 times the legend that Neville could ever be.
And it has absolutely nothing to do with his brother being on the coaching team. Honest.
You're overstating their influence - saf and bobby.
There is not a chance in hell the glazers will let their cash cow continue to depreciate in value. The value drop was in the back if a decision made by saf and bobby - the same mistake wont be made again.
They are a lot of things, the glazers, but stupid ain't one. Every media outlet is now running with the "12 games to prove it" - that's briefed by Woodward....which is directly from the glazers.
Well we can act that way if we like, I just don't think it'll work. It'll be like Fabregas all over again.
Ha ha - very true
Agree with this, as a player he will go down as one if the greats, as a pundit though he is getting worse every time I hear him. In fairness to him he is between a rock and a hard place at the moment, he can't criticise any England players for obvious reasons and he feels he has to stick up for his brother.
Stopped listening to Neville on all things United when he said we "stand against the immediacy of modern life"
Stop it Gary.
Stop it Gary.I think Brenton would do well here as he knows exactly how he want his teams to play. The fans would love the football. That move will not happen though.
It's like Gary thinks we're some conservation project, that Manchester United's style of play is an endangered species.Stopped listening to Neville on all things United when he said we "stand against the immediacy of modern life"
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