I hope you're right.
I genuinely can't think of a manager lingering in the job with such little faith remaining in him.
Moyes So Far!
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I genuinely can't think of a manager lingering in the job with such little faith remaining in him.
I think a few league titles along with some cups will be enough, especially if he could take over the national team in time for the World Cup in 2018.
No and imagine the kind of impact that has on season ticket sales. There's always constant ads trying to get people to buy into season tickets every year, how bad would it be if we had a manager no one believed in. I don't see us signing a player of such quality that would get the fans excited for the following year,
Mourinho was my choice, but the club decided to go a different way. I can see why they would do that - for the reasons I've posted above. I don't agree with it but there you go.
You have made your mind up that Moyes is "a B grade" manager and your entitled to your opinion.
You think Mourinho would come here now? I doubt it after being snubbed before. And a lot of here didn't want him - "plays boring football, never brings through youth players, will be off after three years" etc.
BBC pundit Savage on Moyes' 10 biggest mistakes this season...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/26366857
This is easily the most critical televisual piece I've seen on Moyes thus far. It's also easily the most realistic.
It ends with Savage stating that he still believes Moyes is the right man for the job, which is fair enough, but it at least seems rooted in something resembling reality - at last.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/26366857
This is easily the most critical televisual piece I've seen on Moyes thus far. It's also easily the most realistic.
It ends with Savage stating that he still believes Moyes is the right man for the job, which is fair enough, but it at least seems rooted in something resembling reality - at last.
I agree - but that doesn't mean the only other alternative is to go down the route that Chelsea and City have.
There is a lot to be said for stability. Chelsea have been succesful with a large turnover of managers. I personally think that they'd have been more successful if Mourinho had never left.
As I've said, maybe Moyes isn't the man, and perhaps if he's lost the fans and/or the players the board may have no choice. For me though, once you go down that road you can end up sacking managers left and right, and long term I don't think that's helpful.
In their league appearances this season, Tom Cleverley, Michael Carrick, Shinji Kagawa, Marouane Fellaini and Darren Fletcher have not offered a single goal assist between them. Only Carrick and Cleverley have scored a goal.
Cesc Fabregas has created 12 goals in 27 appearances at Barcelona, scoring eight times.
Wow...that is actually quite awful stats....and this from me who isn't really into stats...but hey..interesting...
Cesc Fabregas has created 12 goals in 27 appearances at Barcelona, scoring eight times.
Wow...that is actually quite awful stats....and this from me who isn't really into stats...but hey..interesting...
Don't know if this has been posted yet but wow...200M is an awful lot. From the Independent (Ian Herbert)
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...-still-the-right-man-for-the-job-9155916.html
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...-still-the-right-man-for-the-job-9155916.html
First we have to find our Jose Mourinho though. To suggest we just employ the first friendly face SAF can think of and then stick with them because otherwise we'll be "pulling a Chelsea" is insane.
For a start, Chelsea or City would never have employed Moyes in the first place. Neither would any other global elite club. So we don't need to worry about losing our "we do it differently" hard-on - we've already out-weirded every other big club by putting Moyes in charge in the first place.
Secondly, no-one would be suggesting sacking Moyes if we were in the top 4, no chance. Or even if we were 6th and 7th and playing nice football!
I certainly wouldn't. If there was just something he'd shown this season that was an actual, tangible positive attribute - I think 90% of Utd fans would still firmly be in the 'pro-Moyes' camp.
Chelsea or City we ain't, brother.
We're may be one of the biggest clubs, but there's some staggering arrogance for people to think Klopp or Mourinho would just drop everything and run to us if we flashed them a bit of skirt. They're both in very happy and comfortable positions right now.
Pasting on Mourinho in favour of Moyes will go down as one of the worst decisions ever in history.
If he'll be sacked with a bad run from now till the end of the season, I hope we get that bad run.
Call me a rop ted, but I honestly think these are the words of a shit excuse for a fan.
We're may be one of the biggest clubs, but there's some staggering arrogance for people to think Klopp or Mourinho would just drop everything and run to us if we flashed them a bit of skirt. They're both in very happy and comfortable positions right now.
I don't think Jose would come but Klopp might give it serious consideration. Dortmund are a very good team and, from what little I know about them, they seem to be a well-run club albeit with a nasty habit of flogging their best players to Bayern. Maybe Klopp is comfortable there but surely a challenge like managing United would tempt him away from his pipe, slippers, and schnapps?
I don't agree with his view, but nor do I think that in any way makes him a worse fan. He's just clearly able to separate himself more from the individual results in favour of the long term, as he sees it. And I have to be honest that defeats these days hit me a lot less hard than they did at the beginning. I don't want us to lose any match, but it's already clear Moyes isn't up to the task. I don't think he's going to magically get better. But I do still hope for that every match.
This season is over, and I'd rather endure a miserable few months than more miserable years with Moyes.
Pretty much, I suppose one bonus of this bad spell is that we can have a part-time fan genocide - however when we get back on top of things (which I'm confident we will) how many of them do you think will come crawling back?
At some point, sure, if the timing's right, but the idea we could just get him mid-season, or whenever we like is far fetched IMO. It's the kind of thing we hate about Real, just assuming everything's fair game and easy just 'cos we're a big deal.
One can only hope that Moyes's performance so far has knocked on the head the prejudice against foreign managers that is held by some influential people at the club. Up next: Sam, Harry, Brenton, Malky, Sparky, Pulis?
Yes please!
Given club clearly briefing the "safe unless poor run" stuff then hes a certainty to go. Hes won 6 out of 12 games since January - that isn't going to suddenly change.
Most of all, the players will begin to sense that hes on the ropes. Given we most likely have a percentage of the squad not in favour of Moyes then they will see this as their chance.
Its not pretty, but its the way of modern football. Hes gone.
Most of all, the players will begin to sense that hes on the ropes. Given we most likely have a percentage of the squad not in favour of Moyes then they will see this as their chance.
Its not pretty, but its the way of modern football. Hes gone.
Joking aside Redknapp would absolutely do a better job here than Moyes. For what he may lack tactically he's a real personality that players buzz off and he would relish it and get our players performing for him purely because he'd know what to say to them as his man management is excellent. We would probably play a 4-4-2 but a damn sight better than Moyes has us doing it. Redknapp knows players and knows where best to play them. I imagine Moyes is about as inspiring as a fart in a lift.
Even Mark Hughes I could see doing a better job here because although I don't think he's that much different to Moyes in terms of management he at least knows what it's like here and the demands that come with it.
Spot on. They know they have nothing to fight for anymore, excpet that they could get Moyes fired. Moyes now needs to trust "his" players that they pull it off for him. I'd say that's Mata, Rooney, Januzaj and Fellaini for sure. City and Liverpool game will be crucial for him. It's the only big 2 games we have left.
He's only won 4 games since January 1, including the "win" against Sunderland to knock us out of the league cup. All three league wins against teams in the bottom 8. If we keep winning 25% of our games...
(I'm excluding the Sunderland match because we lost the tie, thanks to his being happy to go to extra time).Sea change since other night. Hard to see any way back.
It takes a special person indeed to think us being shit is somehow going to result in less moaning.
So nobody feels he can turn it around?
Even if he does, you'll still have, at the very best, the 6th best manager in the league.
It'd be like Wenger refusing to sign a top class striker because Giroud did 'well enough'.
And that's assuming he 'turns it around'.
This.
It was a ludicrous appointment. It was like karma caught up with the brilliance of Fergie's career and a great big, pent up burst of rubbishness just had to come out at the end.
Who are the 5 ?
Probably Brendan Rodgers 4 times plus Rafa.
His reputation is in tatters, nobody remembers/cares about the job he did at Everton.
I say Mourinho, Wenger and Pelliegrini are the managers who are definitely better. Others have to do more.
Wenger, pellegrini, mourinho, Rodgers, and then Martinez has the potential to be, certainly the way he has his teams playing at least. Van gaal is going to spurs most likely this summer as well. In what way does it make sense for united, one of the biggest clubs in the world, to have the 6-7th at best manager in the premier league alone, far away from the others?
Being serious now, I think that Mourinho, Wenger and Pellegrini are much better than Moyes while there might be created an argument that all of Rodgers, Martinez and Pochetino are better/have higher potential. Personally I would have preferred any of them before Moyes. They haven't done it for a long time, but all of them are younger than Moyes and at-least Rodgers and Martinez will get more points than Moyes ever got at Everton on the end of this season. With a superios style of football.
I think that Giroud example is pretty app. He's been given to shine in big team, but only prove as a good striker. At his age (that supposedly his peak), I don't see he will ever become as good as RvP. What you see right now, is what you get from him in the future. If Arsenal buy more in Ozil's class, or Barcelona decide to buy him, of course he'd score more goals, but still he won't be in RvP class.
It's the same with Moyes. He's given his chance for almost a season. Given his age, you won't see him turn into this genius of manager that would be the envy of other elite teams. United might get better result, if filled with more world class players; but definitely will fall short if met team with better players. What you see in Moyes this season, is what we'll get in the future.
Only the top 3 are definitely better for me.
He just seems overawed by the job, I feel like tactically and on a man-management level he hasn't done a good job. I feel like he has come in and maybe tried to be a disciplinarian/my way or the highway and that has not worked. These guys are winners and plus that backroom staff, I would just love to see a couple of training sessions. The body language of the player's is negative. He doesn't seem confident at all.
It's all a big mess, he seems to have no redeeming qualities as a manager.
Being serious now, I think that Mourinho, Wenger and Pellegrini are much better than Moyes while there might be created an argument that all of Rodgers, Martinez and Pochetino are better/have higher potential. Personally I would have preferred any of them before Moyes. They haven't done it for a long time, but all of them are younger than Moyes and at-least Rodgers and Martinez will get more points than Moyes ever got at Everton on the end of this season. With a superios style of football.
I agree. But is this a hindsight thing?
Looking at cv's no way any of those 3 get the job before Moyes.
Maybe that's just how it should be though? That's how a club of our stature should act, because we can.
Or maybe we should do it the United way and stick with a hard working chap from Govan and his assistant who's a wee footballing chap from a good family, born barely a mile away from where Fergie few up.
On the last summer, obviously, Moyes had the better CV.
Personally I would have chosen any of those three (and Laudrup too) before Moyes on the last summer. Not because they were proven better than Moyes or because they have better CV, but because they are attacking minded manager while Moyes is a defensive manager and personally I have found Everton one of the most boring teams in the league. I would have chosen them more based on potential and prediction how they will be suited to a big team rather than purely on their CV.
At Everton he was voted manager of the year something like 3 times by his peers. So he ought to be one of the best managers in the premier league and I can see why a lot of people thought he could make the step up. But he hasn't and is underperforming so far at United. Maybe United is just not a good fit for him.
I'd put it more down to style of football rather then CV. It's not like Moyes' cv is good anyways, I mean literally all he has done after first getting Everton up the table is keep them as a mid table side, playing boring, long ball, negative football. He overachieved with them for maybe 2 years, but since then he's basically kept them where you would expect them to be relative to the leagues wages. Martinez so far hasn't had a different season results wise, but the play has been greatly improved and it has much more potential then Moyes' style of play has. Same with Rodgers, and he has liverpool playing some great stuff already. Just because Moyes is older and more experienced, it doesn't really make him better. Pochettino also has Southampton punching above their weight, like Moyes did originally with Everton, only Pochettino has Southampton attacking a lot more and is a much more exciting team to watch then Everton under Moyes ever was. Also, all of them aren't afraid to go away to other big teams and attack them, and they've all actually gotten wins away to big teams unlike Moyes' Everton.
He's a better defensive manager then them, and probably better for smaller clubs, but the others are definitely more suited to bigger clubs and will have their teams playing better football. Pretty much the only thing Moyes has on them apart from that is staying at Everton for 10 years, which to be honest can be seen as both a positive and a negative. Nobody else was willing to take a punt on him to make the step up and he wasn't ambitious enough to go looking for the step up or get Everton playing good football so they can move up the table. It was just a baffling appointment all around IMO.
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