Barely 4 lines and he's mentioned "no doubt ball's not been rolling for us", "we have not had our share of the breaks" and " hope the ball starts breaking in our favour". He's not moaning about luck?
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Barely 4 lines and he's mentioned "no doubt ball's not been rolling for us", "we have not had our share of the breaks" and " hope the ball starts breaking in our favour". He's not moaning about luck?
Barely 4 lines and he's mentioned "no doubt ball's not been rolling for us", "we have not had our share of the breaks" and " hope the ball starts breaking in our favour". He's not moaning about luck?
He says he's always believed that you make your own luck by working hard. Did you miss that bit? Typical CAF overreacion from the the normal doom and gloom crew.
A bit personal, have you considered he might not have a right one!
Which would in itself be a startling indication of the increasing levels of desperation amongst our fans for just one top notch performance!
Its the negativity of the comments. As I mentioned to datura in my post above, in such a short quote, he bought up bad luck thrice. We've played poorly and our position is down to that rather than bad luck. Every team has injuries and we're no different. Specially given we're 7th below the likes of Spurs and Everton, luck shouldnt be an excuse at all. Why not simply accept that we arent playing at a good level and he's going his best to ensure we play better? Create more chances?
But that's just bollocks. It's not hard work we've been lacking, it's quality.
He has already admitted we haven't been playing well enough though! I really don't see what's so bad about those comments, he's not blaming the season on bad luck, as some have suggests. He's also saying we need to work hard and make our own luck, which people seem to be ignoring.
Yes, he's put that in to compensate for all the moaning about the bad luck. Seriously, its very clear what he's pointing out in those quotes. It isnt our lack of hard work, its us being unlucky. Considering how poor we've been, luck really isnt the reason why we're 7th.
I would imagine he's specifically talking about the Stoke game. It's an isolated paragraph. All the negative spin is you making out something that's not there.
I've already said what I find bad about the comments. I'd really prefer our manager to not moan about being unlucky, accept we've played shite and say he's doing his best to improve on that. What I dont want is the ball's not been rolling in our favor, we played well etc etc when we fail to create chances vs the likes of Stoke. Yes, I saw the hard work bit but its clearly an afterthought to the rest of his talk about luck.
I honestly don't know what people expect him to say - or what would be an acceptable comment from him at this stage. "I resign, now rejoice," probably.
We're in a bad way at the moment. Saying we haven't exactly had the rub of the green may be taken as words of some comfort to the fans. It doesn't take that much to reverse your luck if you keep working hard, etc. Isn't that basically what he's saying? He's clearly not trying to absolve anyone, including himself, of any responsibility here.
We're in a bad way at the moment. Saying we haven't exactly had the rub of the green may be taken as words of some comfort to the fans. It doesn't take that much to reverse your luck if you keep working hard, etc. Isn't that basically what he's saying? He's clearly not trying to absolve anyone, including himself, of any responsibility here.
Have we even had many instances where the break of the ball has gone against us? What games did we lose where we actually played well and deserved to win?
What's he talking about?
What's he talking about?
This thread, if we lose today. 
If he is, he should surely have talked about us simply not playing well that game? Not creating enough chances to win the game? Its not as if we created loads and just hit the woodwork multiple times.
You don't honestly believe he thinks these things, do you? That he himself thinks it's down to bad luck? He's not stupid, he's actually very smart, he knows well himself that we haven't been good enough and that that isn't just down to luck, but a lot of match going fans will read comments like that and likely take comfort in them, for me it's better than if he puts "we've been rubbish, sorry" in the match notes.
People are making a big fuss over a very minor thing.
No.
What he could say is that we havent played well this season, havent created enough chances and given the players we have should be playing much better. He could also say that he understands that and is doing his best to correct that.
what he shouldnt do is bring up luck. every team has injuries. even if you leave that, even under sAF, we always had loads.
We've had a lot of streaky/deflected goals against us this season. On the top of my head I can remember Chelsea, Stoke, Leverkusen, Spurs.
I don't even want to think about it.This thread, if we lose today.
It's a matchday programme, for Christ's sake. Maybe he's trying to be somewhat upbeat, eh? Would it serve any useful purpose to have him elaborate on how terrible our football has been so far?
The worrying thing is that I do think he believes that. He thought we played well after the stoke game too. bylines and all that.
IT'S AN ISOLATED PARAGRAPH!!! Losing 2 centre halves in one game and conceding a deflected goal would be considered unlucky by any manager in the world.
He's a born loser.
He just doesn't seem to have any answers bar bad luck. United have always had the philosophy of no matter how many goals the opposition scores, we'll score more. I thought Tim Howard's comments were illustrative. Without mentioning Moyes, he stated that Everton would be more concerned about the damage the opposition could do and how it could be countered. To me, that suggests that Moyes' teams are already on the back foot before the game has started.
Jaysus, we're turning into the dippers with all of this lucky/unlucky talk. We're in 7th place because we've been absolutely wank by our standards and our squad for the most part, is filled with a host of injury prone players. This isn't the first season were we've had multiple key players out all at once, the only difference is, SAF knew how to deal with it.
So basically, according to Moyes, all that is missing is for your luck to turn.
I'd be well pee'ed off if I were a manc. It basically says that he likes what he sees on the pitch and it's only bad luck that's been stopping results coming in.
I'd be well pee'ed off if I were a manc. It basically says that he likes what he sees on the pitch and it's only bad luck that's been stopping results coming in.
For the last time, I am talking about his comments over a period of time and not just this one. What he says here is just adding up to all that has been said earlier. Still, did he even mention us not playing well in attack in wherever this quote is taken from? Because his post match comment was that we played well when we were poor in reality.
Belief is more important than quality in my view. Southampton have gone from relegation fodder last season to a team challenging for European places this season. Pochettino has achieved this by instilling confidence in the same players through a change of philosophy.
consider this: if someone had suggested that a non english speaking manager could come in to a struggling team like Southampton, and completely revive their fortunes using mostly uncapped english players, we would have thought them truly insane. Yet he has done just that, and it isn't kick and rush, it is with an emphasis on technical ability and intelligence within a cohesive team structure.
Although we do lack quality in certain areas, we surely have enough to be able to fashion a system that makes us hard to beat and gives us opportunity to use the class up front to better effect on the break. Moyes has implemented nothing even remotely comparable to that, so is it any wonder that as time passes our players look devoid of direction and look to be losing confidence rather than gaining it. If a manager is losing the confidence of the players after only 7 or 8 months, then that can only be down to the lack of conviction of that manager. Players take confidence from the conviction of their manager, the belief starts there and either flourishes or diminishes dependent upon how convinced they are by their manager.
Moyes has reaped nothing because he has sewn nothing. You simply cannot seriously expect to convince us with the promise of a bright future while he clings so desperately to the ideology of our past.
And again you are reading far too much into it. What really matters is what he says to the players, not the words in a presser, post-match or in a programme. It's just PR and you expect positive spin. SAF used to do exactly the same to take the pressure off the players. It means nothing, apart from to the wolves at the door trying to read far too much into everything.
Streaky goals isn't what's cost you. It's playing games in a way where the opposition gets more opportunities to score them and failing to score the goals that means the odd streaky goal doesn't matter. If you aren't playing to a higher level than hanging on by the margins then of course you will lose your fair share to jammy coincidences. It's basically inviting for this to happen.
Berry Berry Shrew.
I didn't mean individual quality, but quality play. Obviously belief/confidence plays a huge part, but so does Moyes picking stupid teams and employing awful tactics.
Agree with all of that and I'm not obviously satisfied with our play but I think we've also been unlucky. For eg in the chelsea game, I thought we started the game strongly only for us to go behind with a deflected goal.
He fills me with dread and I'm sitting in my armchair. Imagine being around him all week. You'd be scared shitless of every team.
Yeah but then after that they dominated. We aren't making enough chances to consider ourselves unlucky to lose. It's basically a 50/50 split between both teams in all of our games, so of course we aren't going to be consistent.
I wasn't disagreeing with you mike, we do lack quality. but i say we still have enough quality to be far better than we have been thus far. The main reason we haven't is because moyes is not convincing the players with either his tactics or general demeanor. There is nothing wrong with being honored to become united manager, but he must have the belief in himself to think he deserves it. I don't see that from him, and most tellingly i don't think the players do either.
The problem is he doesn't deserve it, and he knows it.
Okay, so you ignore everything he says in the open because you think what's said in doors is totally the opposite. Fair enough for you. I dont see it the same way.
Exactly, the only question now is how long SAF is going to make us suffer, so he doesn't have to admit his whopping howler. At least one more season and a £100m i would imagine.
If Moyes believes we've been great and the only reason why we're currently 7th is an insane amount of streaky goals and bad luck - then he's insane. But he isn't. So I wouldn't worry too much about what he says in a matchday programme. All managers play the "unlucky" card to an extent. It's not proof they actually think they don't have to do anything other than buying a rabbit's foot.
How many times did Rodgers claim Liverpool were unlucky last season?
How many times did Rodgers claim Liverpool were unlucky last season?
No, it just never means that much. How much rubbish did SAF use to spout in public? Some short memories..
It was an interesting article but maybe it just shows that when it comes to the unique job of being a United manager what you do and how you behave at a previous, much smaller club, is a very partial indication of your chances to be a success at Old Trafford.
Exactly, the only question now is how long SAF is going to make us suffer, so he doesn't have to admit his whopping howler. At least one more season and a £100m i would imagine.
Dec 2015 if things continue the way they are imo. It wont be in SAFs hand even if he wants him to stay after that. The summer's very very important though. We're sure to spend a lot so we have to hope that Moyes targets the right standard of players. I think he will though so am calm in that sense.
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