I know we're no RAWK but seriously... 1111 comments on a David Moyes Sack Watch thread? Ask yourself that question?
I prefer the funny threads... like let's all laugh at types... or the Jonas ones etc.
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I know we're no RAWK but seriously... 1111 comments on a David Moyes Sack Watch thread? Ask yourself that question?
I prefer the funny threads... like let's all laugh at types... or the Jonas ones etc.
Because of one poster? Are you mad? I've managed to agree to disagree quite happily with a few in here.
Enjoyed your meltdown. Please follow me @PTME_MUFC
of course its the managers fault, the team is not set up to play good football. its hit and hope rubbish and with rooney forced to play CM, with flecher sitting on the bench and an inept Danny Welbeck on instead (who also only completed one pass), there is the reason.
RVP only completed 7 passes in the entire game. that is shocking...call valencia, young, welbeck and all these poor if you want, but all our top class players like DDG, Rio, Vidic, Carrick, RVP, Evra seem to be really struggling under Moyes also. the drop in performances compared to last season for those 6, is astounding.
Sometimes his face reminds me of Smeagol.
Anyway the worst case scenario really this weekend is us losing again and then Moyes coming out and saying in he presser, "we played well"
Either way after Fulham I don't see us beating arsenal. We will lose that one and be back in the shit again.
Anyway the worst case scenario really this weekend is us losing again and then Moyes coming out and saying in he presser, "we played well"
Either way after Fulham I don't see us beating arsenal. We will lose that one and be back in the shit again.
Do you know how many times in our club's history? Do you know the duration for each of those sacked managers?
Only 3 times in over 120 years.
Frank O Farrell was the shortest - 18 months and 81 games of which he lost 27
The Doc - 5 1/2 years and 228 games, sacked for shagging the physios wife
Ron Atkinson - 4 1/2 years and 292 games before he was sacked for poor form
All the others parted on contractual terms or stood down.
So why are we now likely to sack a guy after only 7 months and 36 games?
if Moyes was sacked tomorrow (and this 100% wont happen), would people be sad to see him go or people think its the wrong decision? i think we all know the answer to both of those is a resounding no.
and using the "but who would replace him" excuse is not enough a reason to keep him, its not possible for us to be doing any worse right now, even Mike Phelan would be an upgrade on him and thats a shocking thing to say.
and using the "but who would replace him" excuse is not enough a reason to keep him, its not possible for us to be doing any worse right now, even Mike Phelan would be an upgrade on him and thats a shocking thing to say.
And this is a reason to not sack the most incompetent manager in the history of Manchester United WHY?
I wouldn't miss him, no. I'm not going to go banging the drum in the streets calling for his head but that doesn't mean he has my support.
I think we would have been better selecting a manager who could get results quickly over a short term instead of fannying around with Moyes insisting he be given time that let's face it, we don't really have.
I think we would have been better selecting a manager who could get results quickly over a short term instead of fannying around with Moyes insisting he be given time that let's face it, we don't really have.
People might feel sorry for him, but I doubt anyone in the footballing world outside of Manchester United would be surprised.
Point made, though one may venture the theory, just how well our philosophy worked from '69 until '86. Didn't Sexton also get sacked? this is the first time we've had a conservative manager at the helm since him mind.
i would have no problem giving him time, if i could see progress or a vision in place...see a style developing, see new tactics, new faces, new things. the number one problem i have with moyes is that he appears to be learning nothing, is actually getting worse and our football is suffering big time. all moyes seems to have is to spend money to sign players to cover his inadequacies.
our players, who are the current (and almost record breaking ) champions, look like a bunch of midtable nobodies.
Because football changed. Manchester United changed. Everythings changed. From a underachieving big club to one of the best in the world under the claws of greedy Americans. If the Glazers want him to be gone, they won't give a shit about the history. Tell me the last time a manager with this bad first season got more than 1 year? Only 1 that comes close is Klinsmann and he was sacked in April. Chelsea even sacked Scolari with them being 4th. Liverpool also had a tradition of keeping managers and look at what Hodgson did and it was the right decision to sack him.
He really needs to step up now.
Because those 3 did not take over the champions of England and make them laughing stock of the world?
Because time has changed and football is big business and not sentimental sport nowadays?
Because holding onto him will cause more harm than good in the long term?
Yes, as far as I know.
Funny none of the Moyes apologists have answered that question.
@Cal?
Who's saying "Keep Moyes" due to sentimentality? We're a laughing stock? How will holding on to him cause more harm than good, and is that a fact or a prediction?
Ridiculous shite being spouted in here.
Who's saying "Keep Moyes" due to sentimentality? We're a laughing stock? How will holding on to him cause more harm than good, and is that a fact or a prediction?
Ridiculous shite being spouted in here.
Yes they were, but it worked out for them.
I'm guessing you never saw us play under O Farrell or Sexton.
A few United facts for you on the competence of our historical managers:
Wilf McGuinness had a win rate of 36% and lost 26%
Frank O Farrell a win rate of 37% and loss of 29%
Dave Sexton a win rate of 40% and loss rate of 27%
Moyes may have a 25% loss rate thus far but with a win rate of 58% he's still a long, long way from our most incompetent managers in history.
But WHY let facts get in the way of your ranting?
This is also more or less my take on it, short term results mean very little to those who think similar but we're not seeing a shred of improvement game to game, if anything after Stokes performance, we're back to square one, that's if we ever left it at all...
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Nah, Sexton's contract wasn't renewed at the end of the season, standard parting of the ways rather than a firing as far as I can remember.
And Cal?, we're not the "laughing stock of the world" as you so nicely put it. You might be but that's a different issue altogether and one that's been around far longer than Moyes
People expecting to see progress game by game are kidding themselves. That's not how it works. I'm sure all his work behind the scenes is being geared towards next season and the long term. Even under SAF, things got worse before they got any better.
I applauded this, not gonna lie.And Cal?, we're not the "laughing stock of the world" as you so nicely put it. You might be but that's a different issue altogether and one that's been around far longer than Moyes
Moyes has taken over the champions ffs. His loss rate is unacceptable
Most of the Keep Moyes camp have cited "The United Way" as the main reason not to sack him, is that not sentimentality?
Ask any football fan around England and Europe if the champions are 7th place in the following season if they're laughing stocks?
Holding onto him causing more harm then good is a informed prediction, like the one I made before his appointment that "he'd be a disaster".
As a total aside, we gave both these blokes 4 years before realising they were not right for the job. Surely a bad advertisement for the idea that we need to give managers abundance of time?
I can sort of see the argument that we need to give him 2 years - though I don't necceserily go along with it - but if we haven't seen any improvements/results within 2 years, I see no reason why we should stick with him beyond that.
I realise this has nothing to do with your post or the point you were making - just wanted to raise the topic.
And Cal?, we're not the "laughing stock of the world" as you so nicely put it. You might be but that's a different issue altogether and one that's been around far longer than Moyes
Oh we're not? Do you not have any ABU friends? They've got more joy out of us these 7 months than the previous 2 decades.
Edit: It's a bit unfair to stick McGuinness in there. Should never have been the manager in the forst place
The other 2, they took over when we were proper in decline/shit.
Wait, didn't you just yesterday whine about other people not respecting your opinion?
You could easily say that those years with those managers you cited should have taught us that sticking with the wrong man in charge is a bad idea. "We kept shit managers for a long time in the past and barely won anything for over two decades" shouldn't really be a pro-Moyes argument.
Club traditions are there to be broken then, eh?
Everything about him has been unacceptable thus far: his record, his style of play,
Nope, not even close.
Why is it not how it works, you look at Rodgers at Liverpool, how he had them playing out from the back and the poor results across the first season,though there was a theory to the madness that looks increasingly justified, similarly with Martinez you can see his singular managerial approach rubbing off where ever he's gone, we look archaic both technically and tactically, and if we're being honest we look as if we're regressing.
I'm getting a little miffed at SAF used as the barometer, he inherited a team more likely to win a drinking contest than the league, Moyes inherited the Champions of England, I repeat, our squad is not as utterly inept as Moyes has them looking.
That doesn't answer what I asked Cal and you know it.
Yep. Horrendous decision to give him the job. Absolute shit head
you can't be real. Are you really comparing the win/loss ration of the teams during McGuinness', O' Farrel's and Sexton's era with the one from Moyes, who took over a team that won the league with 11 points. Not only that but also have the gut to have a go at Cal and state those totally irrelevant stats as some point of proof for you wrong point?
Moyes has drastically underachieved, and might well be one of the worst managers at United ever seen so far. What he has done is a complete clusterfeck. Taking over the Champions, taking them down to the seventh place and play one of the worst football in the league, sign a player for a records fee and lose to fecking Stoke.
But hey don't let the facts get in the way of your bullshit.
How does it not? Bad "club traditions" should be broken, giving incompetent managers far too long caused our 26yr oblivion, and now you want a repeat of exactly the very tradition that caused it?
Was Sir Alex wrong to break up the drinking culture when he started? That was part of the fabric of the club at the time too.
Can't say I remember the exact circumstances, as I was very young at the time. What I do remember is that we ended the season on a high note - and he was let go in spite of this. Searching briefly it seems most sources claim he was "dismissed" or "sacked" - but you might well be right. I dunno what sort of contract he was on.
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