Yea, if you count first two games, then he did this against us and Arsenal and got 2 points, meanwhile, we've got 4 for beating Arsenal and drawing Chelski.
Moyes So Far!
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Yea, if you count first two games, then he did this against us and Arsenal and got 2 points, meanwhile, we've got 4 for beating Arsenal and drawing Chelski.
Whilst to an extent I agree with the overall sentiment here, Moyes hasn't tried to change anything at all in the most important area for us, the football pitch. He's done everything the way SAF did so far, only ... worse.
Mourinho got 2 points away from home. We have 0 points away from home against all the clubs in the top four.
That's the difference.....
Maybe. I still think he was talking more about their different circumstances. "We're in a relegation battle, we cant expect to come here and play an open and expansive game like Man United." We're not in a relegation battle....I think it is what he mean't...In fairness, he's not the first guy to get a dig in when we're down....Still, I'm not even sure what kind of game we played at Chelsea....It wasn't expressive, it wasn't attacking, it wasn't expansive...It was shit I know that
I dont know. I can see why you think it was a pop at us but I dont interpret it that way personally. Different circumstances, different game plan.
It isn't granted that Mou wins against Arsenal though or that Arsenal beat us.
So far this season, our away form is better than home one.
Our record against the best teams is absolutely abysmal though, away from home especially.
I'd disagree with that. He's obviously working within the confines of a squad which is used to playing in a particular way. But I think there are clear signs that he's trying to move to a different style.
What signs are those out of interest? The pressing thing? Not so sure about that myself.
I haven't seen anything clear at all.
What signs?
Wouldn't the signing of Mata be a sign that he's looking to move in a different style? with the current crop, he's not done an awful lot to change their way of playing, but a lot of our players have been playing a certain way for a long time under SAF and that isn't easily erased.
Well he played that way at Everton so it's a dead cert he's trying it here. We saw that in pre-season for the first time and it has been apparent in games this season. It worked well against Chelsea for example despite us being completely useless at the back and toothless up front in that game!
"I see you have cameras outside of the training ground, I will now say you can put them down" or something like that, said on sky sports. No signings this window, we all expected it, it's now been officially confirmed.
According to M.E.N there is still 0.01% chance we might bring someone in....there is still hope.
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To the Kroos thread!
Mata though?
This was said today, he can't get his main targets now. Mata became available, the likes of Kroos, Gundogan and Vidal I would well imagine would want to be held onto for the rest of the season.
I see, I have high hopes for the summer and next season.
Why does Vidal keep getting mentioned? There's as much of a chance for him as there was for fabregas. He's perfectly happy at juventus, who are as big of a club as us and are currently better, and he loves it there just as the fans love him.
He's clearly focusing even more on wide play
Money? The root of all evils can sway a lot of people.
You think there is any chance that we will spend like £60 million on one player? We are planning on signing 3-4 players, remember, we don't want to use it all on Vidal then buy 2 more Ashley young or fellaini quality players. It would be great to bring him in obviously but I just don't think there's any chance. It's not like juventus is poor or anything.
I'm talking about wages, not transfer fee. You were just talking his personal desires, not the club's.
Not every player a club signs has to be a world beater, you know. I highly doubt we're planning on signing another 3-4 Mata-esque quality players in the summer, that'd be lunacy, bordering on City/Madrid territory which isn't what the club is about. You've given possibly two of the worst examples imaginable there in Young and Fellaini too to suit your need. How about a Carrick, a Hernnandez, and Evra, a Vidic, a Van Der Sar? A Smalling? Etc etc.
Well because it's the way moyes has been talking, and our clubs need. We'll have no left back, a group of young center backs and still no midfield. I think we'll sign probably 2 top players, or at least try to, and then another very good player for midfield. I don't think he'll want to bring in any more squad players considering we're loaded with them.
Never underestimate the power of squad players. Look at City now that they've actually spent money improving their squad and not just getting the best they can find. I think we need one great midfielder (a Kroos, Vidal) but other than that I think we're fine, get some deadwood out the door and replace them with talented youth or good players capable of making the step up.
What do the wages we are willing to offer have to do with the club? Okay f we bid 60m they might be willing to cash in, but we'd still need to offer like 200k a week. It's a signing that you would do in fifa or FM, I don't think there's any chance of it actually happening. Gundogan, even kroos, are far more likely.
I agree with you there, I think our wingers especially will benefit from a new midfield, but we still need 2 midfielders. Just the one would still make us need to put cleverley, fletcher, Carrick or fellaini. Carrick as good as he is is now too old and slow to be a starter week in week out, who knows how fletcher will be, and then the less said about the other 2 the better. We still need to bring in a left back though, and not just squad player quality like Fabio or shit like buttner. Moyes uses fullbacks as much as anyone, so he'll want as good as he can get.
I think you're using the term squad player differently to me if you're listing those two. For me you can get players capable of playing week in week out for us without always resorting to extortionate fees, as SAF has done many times. It's only in midfield where I think we truly do need to spend megabucks on a great player.
The first 20 minutes against Cardiff saw us using our wide players in tucked in positions when our defenders had the ball in the defensive third. I dont recall us doing that in the last few years. That first 20 minutes of that game had us playing high tempo 1 and 2 touch football with lots or rotation of players. Im not sure why we didnt stick it out for the whole game but it was I thought something new and fresh.
You keep changing who wants what. We don't know how much Juventus want. They may accept a £40 million offer for all we know. We bought a player we don't necessarily need in that position for £37.5 million, how do you know we won't go £10-£15 million over? Arsenal spent double their transfer record for Ozil, a position they are most stocked in. If Vidal gets double the wage offer, possibly even more, then anything can happen. Moyes clearly has the backing of the Glazers financially, and if he wants Vidal, I'm sure we will go for him.
The funny thing I see being posted in this forum is that a lot of people say " I hope we don't focus just on..." etc. Do they think we have one person which deals with every transfer available and can only deal with one player at a time? The likely scenario is discussions will take place with several players, and if one becomes available that is top or near the top of his wishlist, he will be pursued. If we do actually focus on Vidal, then it doesn't mean no notice will be taken for the likes of Gundogan and Kroos.
It's all jam tomorrow with David Moyes - the exciting football we're going to play! the great players he's going to buy! Just be patient, keep him in the job, and wait! Maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow, but someday, and for the rest of our lives! 
Ahh for the joys of bagging a media darling like Mata
I have a sneaky feeling Moyes will get Vidal in the summer..........
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They were easy on Moyes before he signed Mata in fairness. I think the fact that he isn't foreign helps in that regard.
True. But Mata has been a massive help to.
We knew he was going to have a learning curve when he came into this role and we knew it was going to be difficult holding on to that changing room and it seems he's had a steep learning curve with Van Persie and he's learnt that when you have players of his ability you have to show them a bit of extra respect and trust that they know what they are capable of and what they aren't. Putting RVP on a massive training schedule is no benefit to anyone. RVP knows what he needs to do to improve and stay at the top level and I think you need to give players like him a bit of leeway to do just that.
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As SAF (rightly) did with Eric.
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