He's just signed a new two year deal.
Moyes So Far!
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He's just signed a new two year deal.
There's this!
Not Fletcher. Cleverley without doubt will be making way
Just a nagging feeling that I can't shake off
Well then he's probably not going anywhere
I think Rossi may be right. Moyes seems to want a high pressing game, which won't suit a 33yr old Carrick. He's also supposedly after two midfielders, and I don't think we'll have more than five specialist central midfielders in the squad, which means one of Cleverley, Carrick, Fletcher and Fellaini will need to go. It might be Carrick.
Don't think we'd get rid of Fletch. Especially considering how we've stuck by him through his illness and his determination to even get back on the pitch.
You think the club would stand by Fletch all throughout his illness only then to ditch him at the first saleable opportunity? And once he has looked the more competent of our CMs at that?
If it's one of them, get rid of Cleverley. He's got to go anyway as he's nowhere near being good enough, and Fletcher and Carrick have given so much over the years and are still way better. Carrick can still provide the experience and passing ability that none of the others can.
Martinez will be found out before long when he is forced to sell his best players on a regular basis, as Moyes had to do, and when the top 6 clubs think they're getting a little too close and stop loaning him players.
The job Moyes did at Everton over however many years was incredible. Martinez will not provide such consistent, prolonged achievement. His signings, bar the two loan signings, have been fairly poor.
This pretty much....And, in my opinion, he has been utter rubbish this season!
I saw someone say this the other day on here and they said "he's still in his start of the season mode. He'll come good!"....It's January for Christ sake
I dont mean ditch him really. I meant playing time. I think he will be short of playing time and want to move. Clev on the other hand would do best to move on
He'll get found out as you say....And I hope the little rat chokes on his "philosophy".....cnut!
I can't see Moyes selling Cleverley, I don't know why because he's out of a favour, but I just can't.
Fascinating.
I agree and apart from all the Irish in the squad I'd love to see them crash and burn. fecking muppets.
Yeah...No one wants to buy him
I get the feeling that we have actually been geniunely reluctant to spend and it's only now the reality has set in and the Glazers have done the "out of the top 4" and "not a big club" figures and have sanctioned a proper WARCHEST (
) that he has the leverage to tell the squad to put up or feck off.Rossi might just be right about Carrick too btw.
I suppose that is always possible in time, although if he remains healthy i believe he can be a reliable member of our first team. JMO of course.
Re: The discussions about Carrick.
I think Moyes should be wary of purging the squad of all its continuity with past success, particularly with none of the old coaches remaining.
I get the feeling that we have actually been geniunely reluctant to spend and it's only now the reality has set in and the Glazers have done the "out of the top 4" and "not a big club" figures and have sanctioned a proper WARCHEST (
It's not as if they are themselves funding said war chest, they can always jump ship if necessary, the same goes for Moyes in a sense too.
We now have enough points to be clear of relegation
That 3rd substitution is your friend Moyesy... don't be afraid to use it earlier. It won't harm you.
I just hope that within a few weeks we know what his preference for the first eleven is. I could be wrong but I don't think he's fielded the same team twice in a row yet.
Which I'd say is great credit to how well de Gea has played this season, with the changing in the back four (and last season and the one before that...) I bet he cannot wait for a settled back 4
Problem is that very few have played consistently well enough to cement themselves into Moyes' preferred eleven.
This plus injuries have played their part. Now that everyone is almost fit he should have a good idea in his head of how he wants us to line up and I hope to see it becomes clearer over the next few games..
None of our centre midfielders are good enough to be first eleven though.
None of our centre midfielders are good enough to be first eleven though.
Well lets just pray someone is signed too but I'm don't expect anything in January. I think there's hope for Fellaini, I doubt Moyes would have spent so much money on him without knowing how he'd like to use him.Our formation today was good with the wingers tucking in. Unfortunately it was the wrobv selection of wide players especially valencia.
If you strip out the sentimentality it would be perfectly rational, if he keeps playing as he is till the end of the season we'd get a pretty decent price for him in the summer. But I tend to agree Carrick might be more vulnerable.
I might have been imagining it but Valencia seemed very slightly better than usual yesterday, a little more purposeful. It seemed like he might have taken Moyes' recent words of warning on board. But as I said, maybe I was just looking for that and saw what wasn't there.
I thought the same too, Valencia and Young both looked like they were trying to prove they're worth keeping..
I believe this as well. Will be amazed if Martinez manages to find the consistency Moyes did (finishing as high as 4th, finishing ahead of Liverpool etc.) Let alone surpass what Moyes did.
6 months, a year, 2 years of playing more attractive football will not overshadow the brilliant work Moyes did over 11 years.
I must be watching a different team then. Right now is the first time all season I have sensed an upturn where United can go on from here and dominate teams. We'll see if I am right or not.
Good point, i should have said Young too because I noticed it with him very much too. Not just the goal, he was trying different things and looked well up for it. To be fair to Young he does generally look a little more enthusiastic than Valencia, and his attacking is more varied.
Valencia and Young did indeed look more purposeful last night.
Mata in the team will improve our style of play. But people have to remember that it will take time. The first step towards that will be to sort out the midfield, which was quite dire again last night.
Mata in the team will improve our style of play. But people have to remember that it will take time. The first step towards that will be to sort out the midfield, which was quite dire again last night.
Young, Giggs, Jones & Valencia was the wrong selection. Absolutely awful
Just to add my tuppence worth to the whole debate about how long it should take to get a team playing a different style, I think if it is your priority it can be done quite quickly. If we had brought in Martinez, for example, and Im glad we didnt, but if we had, I suspect we would be playing very differently already. I dont think it is about the quality or type of the players we have, I think they are plenty good enough and flexible enough to change the way we play, it wouldnt take two seasons to work it out. The difference is having a manager who's top priority is to have a team playing a certain way, who believes the results will follow once you have mastered the style, or that the style is an end in itself, in terms of entertaining crowds or whatever, "playing the game the right way."
I think the difference is Moyes is more of a pragmatist, I dont get the sense he has a strong philosophy about how the game should be played. When he arrived his priority wasnt to reinvent the team or impose his own vision on the team, I dont think he had one. First and foremost I think his concern was continuity, keeping the team winning (which he has obviously failed to do so far) and basically just to establish himself. I think that's why we havent seen a dramatic change in the way we play, its not about the players. And in a way that is quite understandable, people talk about the flak Moyes would have got if he had cleared out a load of players from a title-winning team before giving them a chance, why does that not apply to the style we play as well? If Martinez had come in and quickly changed the way we played, and we looked quite attractive but were losing a lot of games, Im sure he would be criticised for changing things too quickly as well.
It all comes back to the point about SAF's shadow, making any changes from a title-winning team, making any adjustments to SAF's way of doing things when he was the best, will always be risky if it doesnt work out immediately, and I dont think anyone who came in would have got the same out of these players as SAF did because SAF was, quite simply, a better manager than anyone else.
I think the difference is Moyes is more of a pragmatist, I dont get the sense he has a strong philosophy about how the game should be played. When he arrived his priority wasnt to reinvent the team or impose his own vision on the team, I dont think he had one. First and foremost I think his concern was continuity, keeping the team winning (which he has obviously failed to do so far) and basically just to establish himself. I think that's why we havent seen a dramatic change in the way we play, its not about the players. And in a way that is quite understandable, people talk about the flak Moyes would have got if he had cleared out a load of players from a title-winning team before giving them a chance, why does that not apply to the style we play as well? If Martinez had come in and quickly changed the way we played, and we looked quite attractive but were losing a lot of games, Im sure he would be criticised for changing things too quickly as well.
It all comes back to the point about SAF's shadow, making any changes from a title-winning team, making any adjustments to SAF's way of doing things when he was the best, will always be risky if it doesnt work out immediately, and I dont think anyone who came in would have got the same out of these players as SAF did because SAF was, quite simply, a better manager than anyone else.
Who would you have played then? It was pretty much a forced selection.
Great post mate
I agree with a lot of it.Well, it wasn't great by any means but we won the game. So Moyes can point to it being the right selection. But yeah, we really don't want to see that midfield again this season if we can help it. Injuries forced our hand somewhat. Carrick--Fletcher in a 4231 would be more encouraging.
What makes you say that? Unless he has runners playing off him - particularly from central midfield - then i dont think you will see a great deal of difference. The ball will either go over the top for RVP/Rooney, or out wide (i.e what we have done all season).
Mata is a fantastic player and im delighted we've got him - but our "style" is not down to the personnel in the last 3rd. Moyes has to let the shackles off at least one central midfielder rather than having them drop off deeper and deeper in games.
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