He's said he's trying to improve the way we're playing. You either believe him or not.
Moyes So Far!
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He's said he's trying to improve the way we're playing. You either believe him or not.
I believe he's trying to. I'm yet to be convinced this means any more than "trying to buy better players"
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I don't pretend to have watched enough of Everton under him to know what they played like but Uniteds problems have been evident for a while. This season has been worse than last only because RvP hasn't been banging in the goals.
If I am honest our football the last few seasons hasn't been different to this except for having SAF at the helm who could get the most out of the players he had. Tonight has been like most of our season except we actually looked like scoring, and given how much possession Cardiff have had I cant help but think if we had a better midfield we would have won it more comfortably.
If we still play like this after we've signed a midfielder or two then I'll be really, really worried.
Ive said this before but if you play at a zombie like pace, in straight lines and have zero movement, it doesn't matter who the players are.
Moyes could have messi out there and it wouldn't be any different. He has to allow them some freedom. They are so fecking rigid
Moyes could have messi out there and it wouldn't be any different. He has to allow them some freedom. They are so fecking rigid
I think a thread on here was made while SAF was in charge about zero movement and sloppy passing. At least now we look to press teams. As I said in my previous post this issue has been there for a while - Pre Moyes
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I worry about this. The last couple of weeks the mood has generally shifted and it's more that the players aren't good enough and they need to start performing. I agree, they aren't top drawer most of them and they've also under-performed. But even adding quality players won't turn us into world beaters unless the philosophy applied is positive. There is little cohesion, almost no urgency and no great movement. Why inferior collections of players have taken points of us this season is to a great extent because we face teams and we haven't really been playing like one, with a clear identity.
I worry about this. The last couple of weeks the mood has generally shifted and it's more that the players aren't good enough and they need to start performing. I agree, they aren't top drawer most of them and they've also under-performed. But even adding quality players won't turn us into world beaters unless the philosophy applied is positive. There is little cohesion, almost no urgency and no great movement. Why inferior collections of players have taken points of us this season is to a great extent because we face teams and we haven't really been playing like one, with a clear identity.
nothing new from moyes today but kind of expected really. van persie and rooney just returned and both of them are unlikely to last 90 minutes, januzaj needs a bit of rest so understandably we still have valencia and young on the wings. young did well with his goal though.
But somehow SAF created a mentality of belief which resulted in winning. These are two things really. Tactical expertise and huge charisma. I worry Moyes might possess neither. Hope he proves otherwise.
40 points. Safe by Jan. Fair play Moysie.
Gets slated for putting the wrong team out by some of you, including adding Young to the line up. Look how that turned out.
Moyes has more football knowledge than us all. That's a mata of fact. He's a manager for a reason while we're simply fans for a reason. Just fecking trust the guy.
Moyes has more football knowledge than us all. That's a mata of fact. He's a manager for a reason while we're simply fans for a reason. Just fecking trust the guy.
Some of the fecking crying in here is unreal. Dry your eyes lads. If all you're interested in is winning the possession go and watch Arsenal.
Almost all the Cardiff possession was with their back 4 and not threatening. It was a good win tonight, get some players back from injury and get Mata settled into the side. Very happy with that.
Almost all the Cardiff possession was with their back 4 and not threatening. It was a good win tonight, get some players back from injury and get Mata settled into the side. Very happy with that.
Yeah, I don't buy it that our weak centre is the cause of our dire football, our weak centre affects us far more defensively IMO. Liverpool have Henderson, Lucas and a Gerrard on the decline in midfield, doesnt stop them NOT playing dinosaur football.
The only problem in the first half display today was Giggs in the middle. He gave nothing and as much as I love him I don't really want to see him on the pitch again for United. Once Clev came on we looked much better.
I'm not sure Moyes had much to do with that victory tonight, it's sort of fallen into his lap.
Stoke at the Briannia shall prove more challenging i suspect.
Stoke at the Briannia shall prove more challenging i suspect.
Sit deep, hit the wings....
Why oh why did we hire him!? It's like he doesn't even learn.
Still 3 points at home against Cardiff is something to celebrate these days.
Why oh why did we hire him!? It's like he doesn't even learn.
Still 3 points at home against Cardiff is something to celebrate these days.
I think you massively underestimate the importance of center midfield.
And everyone said it was shit then. Wouldn't it be nice to try and play another way?
They showed on one single pic about Lahm in Bayerns set up why they are so strong. Lahm in the centre, 8 players around him in triangles available for a pass and then move. Hard to understand why no one makes himself available or why we can't play less predictable but more movement and combinations
But that's still playing with 3 in the middle opposed to 2 (and a CB + 40 year old to boot). In that situation you're going to have more of the ball regardless
I think it's clear from comments made Moyes doesn't have faith in all the players. Maybe when he has players he thinks can go hell for leather and not drop a bollock he might. At this point, it's win games and give that fourth place a chance.
Agreed.
As we showed last season, with the amount of times we had to come from behind to win games, we can't defend for cak. Our central midfield is too weak to be trying to hold onto slender leads. Yet that is what Moyes tries over and over.
The way our squad can be successful is by outscoring the opposition: Putting so many talented attackers out there that the side we are playing are too scared to commit too many men to attacking us. Yet Moyes won't do it. He persists with this very Sven style 1-0 up, hold the shape and defend for dear life strategy instead of going for the throat. Its gonna hurt us someday soon...
I agree with that, but then again - who else could he pick? Fletcher has played a feck load of games already, I don't think anyone expected him to play as many minutes as he's done recently; and then there's Cleverley who's been under performing quite a bit recently. Giggs hasn't played for a while, so I understand why giving him a few minutes by giving Fletcher a rest at the same time was a reasonable choice.
Acceptable performance if we're resting players for the weekend... though why we seem desperate to rest and rotate when other team don't anywhere near as much is a mystery. Get Januzaj, Rooney, RvP, Mata all on the pitch for the next match with NO Valencia.
Still no improvement in our play overall, but at least we've got the points.
United have a tendency this season to always look to play the forward pass no matter how unlikely it is. If we just recycled and waited for better openings we'd look a ton better.
I'm glad we won. I'm also glad we didn't smash Cardiff, even though I know GD is important. I can't bring myself to enjoy seeing Ole lose.
You can only beat what's in front of you I guess, but we're not going to close the gap on Liverpool playing like that. Still, a wins a win and hopefully once the big guns get match fit we'll look a bit more convincing.
I'd have started Clev before Giggs and I know Fletch has played a lot but he'd have done a lot more than what was put forward by Ryan.
The fact Young and Valencia were narrow so much early on is an encouraging sign that with the better players slotted in we'll play some good football.
Carrick in for Giggs, Rooney for Valencia and Adnan for Young is a massive fecking difference.
Still, just to join in with the slit wrists brigade.....urge I can't believe Valencia played 90 minutes blah blah fecking blah
Carrick in for Giggs, Rooney for Valencia and Adnan for Young is a massive fecking difference.
Still, just to join in with the slit wrists brigade.....urge I can't believe Valencia played 90 minutes blah blah fecking blah
I would but if the system was there for a while and the players are used to it I refuse to believe that it can be torn down as quickly as we would like. Lets face it, our football is boring - tonight I had the game on one screen while I surfed the net on another, but I cant stress that its been like this for a while.
Blame Moyes for a host of other things like poor subs but blaming him for a style of football that has been this way before he arrived is not fair. And it seems like i'm in the minority here but I think there are signs we are starting to change the way we play, namely our pressing.
I completely agree. Seems to be the in vogue thing to blame the players. Our midfield doesn't move from their set position therefore forcing Mata et al to go long. There has to be some movement allowing Mata to play off. Its criminally poor. An even worse crime is Moyes hasn't made any difference in this since he joined. Its the same every week.
Hats off to bringing Mata in, hats off to realising we need world class quality....but it means nothing if you shackle these players beyond belief.
Of course he would but with Fletcher we as fans don't know the extent to which he can play with his condition. Coming straight back and playing so frequently is a tall order and may just cause more issues in the long run
Not picking two out and out wingers and directing all our play through them wouldn't suddenly render everyone incapable of functioning. Footballers are dumb but they aren't retarded. This is what training's for. Other managers have managed it with much worse squads.
We played terribly at home to the bottom club?
By this logic, every manager has succeeded at every club.
Yep agreed, you see it around, Liverpool are not afraid to stick Sterling, Coutinho, Suarez and Sturridge out there week in week out because they know they'll outscore most teams, their defence is average at best but it wont matter if they outscore teams.
City the same, Toure, Navas/Nasri, Silva, Aguero, Negredo, every week, again despite the fact they have an average defence.
To be fair to Moyes, he's not had all our best attacking options available at once for too long a period, if he persists with our defensive wingers who cant actually defend(Young and Valencia) in the coming weeks, then questions should be asked.
Mata, Januzaj, Rooney, van Persie should ALL be starting against Stoke.
Tactically I can't say I was too pleased with our setup. But we got the win and had some good individual performances. Our overall play hasnt really improved though.
Good lord. What a lot of drivel.
I would expect and indeed advocate Rooney and RVP having a role reversal for the weekend's match one step at a time and all that. Likewise it won't do Januzaj any harm to act as the cavalry for a little while.
What's the point of buying a player like Mata if you are unwilling to adopt a less negative approach to accommodate him?
Our forward play although not great was completely different tonight but most wont notice that as they fall over each other to come up with the smartest arsed way to put us down.
With a little bit more patience from our players we'd look devastating in these type of games. They just tend to rush the ball forward far too often.
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