Moyes So Far!

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On the bench he looks lacking in energy, confidence and passion, as if resigned to mediocrity. The team looks like a perfect reflection.

Transfers? There's no way I'd give him the keys to the warchest.

He's the manager, and that's not going to change in a hurry. But he desperately needs help. A Director of Football to do the shopping? A Sporting Director to take the heat out of the press conferences?

Not the United way? Maybe not, but Moyes isn't ready to take on all the jobs - he's got a coaching job to do. Of course SAF didn't actually do the coaching, maybe no one should be expected to take on all those jobs.

I thought about that the other day. I have no idea why this isn't the common way it's handled in England. Works perfectly well in about everywhere else.
 
Wonder if some of those at board level are regretting the 6 year contract rather than just a 3/4 year one. I still think its a good weapon Moyes can use on those players, he's here for the long haul and if they don't perform the consequences will be that they'll be out the club. Unfortunately its not working so far.
 
I'm genuinely interested why people think getting rid of half the squad is a more sensible option than getting rid of the manager?

Moyes himself said this is a squad of champions.
We saw what Fergie did last year, and even with his magic we'd still be top 4 surely at least!

Because even then we knew Patrice Evra was on the downward spiral and we didn't have a competent backup, that Rio was getting past his best, that we had wingers what couldn't cross the road nevermind the ball. The midfield was a major complaint from everyone last season. Winning the league actually masked a lot of these problems.
 
Show OUR manager respect!

He's the most important man at the club and there should be no threads discussing the job he's doing.

We should be questioning these players and their performances.
Catch a grip man. You can't blindly follow a man because he was given a position he was under qualified for.
 
If you think he can't turn it around but others possibly could have, does that make Moyes the wrong man? Maybe I ask a silly question.

Personally I'll always back him during games and wish him well but he doesn't strike me as anywhere near good enough. Football has moved towards more compact, technical systems and a lot more emphasis on ball retention and using intelligence to wing games. And I want us to move in the direction. Moyes seems a bit too old school and behind the times as a manager to me. Apart from seemingly lacking the personality to influence and inspire his players to play like lions the way fergie could, he seems to lack what the current trend and direction football is taking. When I look at football right now, I see either wonderful systems and philoshies (guardiola, klopp and for the current Martinez and pochettino) or great motivators, tacticians and disciplinarians (mourinho). Moyes looks like he's neither. He just looks like he's right for Everton football club.

I don't think he can turn it around now, no, or at least I'm not sure. I also don't think other managers would be able to turn it around now either when so much is going against him, my point was I'm not sure better managers would be in this position in the first place.
 
If SAF was missing RvP and Rooney, wouldn't he be in the same place that Moyes is in now?
Sir Alex hasn't finished outside the top 3 for 20 years. YEARS. I think it is giving Moyes a huge benefit of the doubt and a disservice to Sir Alex to assume he'd be in the same position.
 
Sir Alex knows this is a quality squad. It's very good and probably not as good as he thinks it is, but I think he really rates this bunch. I do wonder, despite his high opinion of Moyes, how he feels about the group of players he left behind for the new manager doing so badly and being criticized so much.
 
Serious question: could Moyes actually have done any worse in terms of transfers, results, playing style and entertainment?

I am worried that he's being rather too quick dismantling you. Might not last long enough to see it through.

4 defeats in the last 6 home games. At this rate he won't even get another transfer window to muck up!

I'd love to see him replace Ferdinand, Evra, Fabio Anderson, Giggs, Rooney, maybe vidic and whatever wingers gets offloaded in one summer. :(
 
The scale of Moyes' ambition today: "We played quite well at times, got near the edge of the box quite regular"


And this is why he shouldn't be here more than a season. Bad results happen, but his tolerance of mediocrity is anathema to Manchester United. He's continually said that United have played well when we've been awful. He has no ambition.
 
Could help if the owners could spend some fecking money. Even Liverpool spend more than us and they don't even got CL money.

Shame we got owners with no money to back the club.
 
I don't think he can turn it around now, no, or at least I'm not sure. I also don't think other managers would be able to turn it around now either when so much is going against him, my point was I'm not sure better managers would be in this position in the first place.
And I agree with that. Someone on this forum said that it's always ideal to take over from someone who has failed. I think that might really ring true big time if we let Moyes go.
 
I don't think he did leave the squad in as healthy a state as he wanted to do.
 
The decline started once the Glazers took over! There was very little investment in the team during those years. Sir Alex was fortunate enough to have the players he had at his disposal during this time. We have too many players who have aged, and young players not fulfilled their potential.

We just don't know if Moyes is average or out of his depth until he is given time to prove himself.

It also hasn't helped that most of the big signings during the Glazer years have ultimately failed, for various reasons (Anderson, Nani, Hargreaves, Berbatov).
 
And this is why he shouldn't be here more than a season. Bad results happen, but his tolerance of mediocrity is anathema to Manchester United. He's continually said that United have played well when we've been awful. He has no ambition.
Is that quote really true. I mean, seriously, is it?
 
I think we're gonna have to accept that Moyes needs to tell half these players to get fecked and to build his own squad.


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The question was would he be in the same position I.e. 8th. Not struggling.

I can't seriously believe anyone would think we would be
No way in hell. You only need to his track record as evidence, nothing else is relevant. He's faced crazy injury crisis' too.

And Rooney has been fit almost the whole season. Not sure why he's mentioned as a reason for Moyes being in this position. One game here and there really.
 
The only thing that can help Moyes win trophies are if we get new owners who wants to spend money.
 
I don't want Moyes to go and will give him more time personally but I don't understand these people who get high and mighty because Fergie recommended him? People are entitled to their opinion, if they don't like him fair enough. It's not like they've not got valid reasons we've been awful. Fergie also rated Kleberson and Djemba Djemba he's capable of making a mistake and maybe Moyes was one of them? When people come up with stupid comments fair enough but from some comments I've seen from the "Moyes out" people a lot of them do make sense.

I'm prepared to give him time like I said as I do think it's hugely unfair to not at least give someone a chance, it does need to improve soon though. If not there is a valid case the job may be to big for him after all.
 
I don't think he did leave the squad in as healthy a state as he wanted to do.



He left a squad containing the champions, one of the strongest defences in the league, one of the best keepers in the country, one of the best strike forces around and a massive warchest in the bank for transfers. It was hardly a dilapidated one bedroom flat with the floor missing and roof caved in off Homes Under the Hammer
 
The manager hasn't been great but the players need to shoulder a huge portion of the blame.
 
The only thing that can help Moyes win trophies are if we get new owners who wants to spend money.
We spent 27 million on Marouine Fellaini this summer.

We bought rvp and Kagawa last season.

We once bought Hargreaves, Anderson Nani and tevez (loan) in the same summer.

This excuse fails.
 
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