Moyes So Far!

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Well, that was crap.

I do feel the man's fecking unlucky at the moment, though. Not much is going his way. Look at this one in isolation and it's a fairly shoddy cup match, played with the second string, which could've easily turned out better - and which we probably hadn't lost, at least, if Fabio hadn't switched his brains off.

The home defeats are hurting, though. It can't be good for the confidence, which is already low.

Let's pray we can get some players back - and back to full form and fitness - soon. We need Rooney and Rafael, we need a 100% Carrick. We need Phil back too. Not to mention RVP. It's evident our second string isn't good enough to carry us through anything at the moment.
 
Livvie said:
There's obviously a problem (#understatement) and it's probably a combination of things.

The squad Moyes inherited is not as good as some people like to think. We weren't the best team in the PL last season. We just had the best results.

And it's a worrying fact that Everton are having their best season in years.

It's also worrying that it's likely we may no longer attract the best players.
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i'd agree with all of that.

even if you think about the recent signings under ferguson. RVP aside the team just hasn't been improved for a number of years.

lets face it, Young, Kagawa, Buttner and the few young lads (Zaha, Powell etc.) none of them have really improved things.

meanwhile the spine of team is older and more injury prone.

how can people really blame Moyes for this?

ironically Fellaini may actually have been a help over the last number of games.
 
The fact we look really shit is enough for me, I wouldn't mind if there looked to be progress but we look really shit.
Next couple of games are all important. I get that he was mooted because of strength of character but if he can't adapt then he has to go at the end of the season.
 
BarneyLFC said:
There is no chance that he resigns.
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I don't think so either. I think he should be given a chance to make his mark on the club and get a summer when he can buy players and make the team his.

He did not get the best team passed down to him and has a lot to do in the summer.
 
Plugsy said:
Yeah because 2006-2013 was a really shit period for us. We only won the Champions league (plus got to two more finals) five Premier League trophies and picked up 3 league cups a world club cup and five community shields.

..other than that....shithouse
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Why didn't you quote the rest of my post?
 
Cina said:
I fear for Moyes now, he got a hostile reaction at the end there, and when the fans turn, you're in trouble.

I do not think a lot of these problems are his fault, it's tough for him, he needs a transfer window and a big budget.
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No chance. We have SAF and Sir Bobby on the board that would have to take the decision to remove him - it's never going to happen.
 
Kid Cunto said:
I think we're gonna have to accept that Moyes needs to tell half these players to get fecked and to build his own squad.
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And how much would that cost? It seemed like we struggled to get our targets in the summer, I just don't know how we can build a new team from scratch unless it meant taking a step back. I don't think we are in a position to lose our best players atm. :(
 
DomesticTadpole said:
It's just that they were comparing him with the Southampton manager, they are similar. The only thing I would agree with is that Southampton play a good style of football.
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I think a lot more people would be more forgiving, even if we were losing, if Moyes set his side out to play some good attacking football. People would understand that there would naturally be teething problems.

Moyes, has decided however, that we're better off trying to play the type of long ball / crossing crap that he used at Evertron (and even brought in Felliani disgused as a CM) that even mid table / lower table clubs, like your Southamptons and Swanseas have decided don't even work for them anymore! It simply is baffling.
 
I'm not sure if Moyes can survive this, I'd love it if the fans backed him but the tide is clearly turning on him. Add to that the fact that the Glazers will be losing millions due to the bad performances, I'm not sure if there going to trust him to rebuild the squad.
 
McGeady10 said:
We are not Scousers. We are not going to call for our managers head.

As SAF said, "your job now is to stand by our new manager!"

The players are not pulling their weight. Time for them to go and get new ones in if they don't want to play for Moyes.
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We've been doing our job better than the new manager then.
 
Rory 7 said:
i'd agree with all of that.

even if you think about the recent signings under ferguson. RVP aside the team just hasn't been improved for a number of years.

lets face it, Young, Kagawa, Buttner and the few young lads (Zaha, Powell etc.) none of them have really improved things.

meanwhile the spine of team is older and more injury prone.

how can people really blame Moyes for this?

ironically Fellaini may actually have been a help over the last number of games.
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Because people don't buy the fact that the team that won the title at a canter overnight suddenly become mid-table mediocrity. If we had struggled in the last two or three years under Fergie - fine. But we didn't. Yes there are two or three signings needed but how can you not hold the new manager responsible for this capitulation?

All that's changed over the summer, other than Scholes' retirement (for which he spent £30m getting a new CM, plus has benefited from Januzaj's promotion) is the change of manager. It's not exactly being part of the "Moyes Out" campaign to admit that a large part of this he is answerable for.
 
acnumber9 said:
We've been doing our job better than the new manager then.
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Show OUR manager respect!

He's the most important man at the club and there should be no threads discussing the job he's doing.

We should be questioning these players and their performances.
 
OneUnited24 said:
This seems to be the line everyone's taking at the moment but I actually believe its not as bad as some think. What doesn't help it is if you play in a system that highlights these flaws.

The squads not perfect but some here make it seem like we were so lucky to win games last season
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I don't think some of these players are giving their all. Maybe some think their places are under threat and are playing scared or if they know they are on borrowed time, they don't give a shit. The only ones who really do are the fans.
 
The scale of Moyes' ambition today: "We played quite well at times, got near the edge of the box quite regular"
 
Brophs said:
I'm starting to realise how insufferable this place will be if we don't qualify for the CL.
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...errr and it shouldn't be? It's almost as if fans like you WANT our team to be in the shit to sit on your high-horse of 'I am a proper fan and you're not'
pathetic IMHO
 
Plugsy said:
Because people don't buy the fact that the team that won the title at a canter overnight suddenly become mid-table mediocrity. If we had struggled in the last two or three years under Fergie - fine. But we didn't. Yes there are two or three signings needed but how can you not hold the new manager responsible for this capitulation?

All that's changed over the summer, other than Scholes' retirement (for which he spent £30m getting a new CM, plus has benefited from Januzaj's promotion) is the change of manager. It's not exactly being part of the "Moyes Out" campaign to admit that a large part of this he is answerable for.
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But we have struggled over the last couple of years. Its only through a couple of world class players and other teams messing up that covered up the cracks.
 
datura said:
There's a lack of leadership and character on the pitch at the moment, and it's totally missing in the centre of midfield where we lack drive.
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I think that's true. Unless Rooney is out there we don't really have a natural bollocker. I think that's important to have. When a movement breaks down someone to start bending people's ear as to why, telling them what they did wrong, gee them up a bit.
 
Sultan said:
Surely the winners are, or were on the decline. Sir Alex hardly left the team in it's prime, and it's hardly his fault the club has been decimated by injuries to our best players. A lot of us thought last season was not vintage Premiership.
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Of course it's not his fault, but we lost the league on goal difference a couple of seasons ago, despite not having a defence for half the season. Sam Aladyce can use injuries as an excuse for under performance, he has limited resources compared to United, I just don't think it's an excuse for United. Despite the injuries, we still have very good players to fill in at those positions.
 
Look, I don't like Moyes and don't think he's right man for the job, but there are some players who are hanging him out to dry. Some of them have been so fecking poor
 
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McGeady10 said:
Show OUR manager respect!

He's the most important man at the club and there should be no threads discussing the job he's doing.

We should be questioning these players and their performances.
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u do realize that its the job of the manager to get the players performing well?
 
Member 5225 said:
...errr and it shouldn't be? It's almost as if fans like you WANT our team to be in the shit to sit on your high-horse of 'I am a proper fan and you're not'
pathetic IMHO
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The team performing below their level doesn't have to make people insufferable. There's a middle-ground there you've just skipped right over.
 
sparky said:
But we have struggled over the last couple of years. Its only through a couple of world class players and other teams messing up that covered up the cracks.
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Struggled and won the league by 12 points. Lost on goal difference the season before that.
 
Hectic said:
My mistake, I meant impossible for Moyes at this moment, not the job for any manager. I think he's entered a decline that he won't be able to reverse until he's sacked. I really hope I'm wrong and panicking, but I can't see him being able to turn this around.
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If you think he can't turn it around but others possibly could have, does that make Moyes the wrong man? Maybe I ask a silly question.

Personally I'll always back him during games and wish him well but he doesn't strike me as anywhere near good enough. Football has moved towards more compact, technical systems and a lot more emphasis on ball retention and using intelligence to wing games. And I want us to move in the direction. Moyes seems a bit too old school and behind the times as a manager to me. Apart from seemingly lacking the personality to influence and inspire his players to play like lions the way fergie could, he seems to lack what the current trend and direction football is taking. When I look at football right now, I see either wonderful systems and philoshies (guardiola, klopp and for the current Martinez and pochettino) or great motivators, tacticians and disciplinarians (mourinho). Moyes looks like he's neither. He just looks like he's right for Everton football club.
 
McGeady10 said:
Show OUR manager respect!

He's the most important man at the club and there should be no threads discussing the job he's doing.

We should be questioning these players and their performances.
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Sorry buddy but that's just pathetic.:lol:
 
sparky said:
But we have struggled over the last couple of years. Its only through a couple of world class players and other teams messing up that covered up the cracks.
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Struggled at what? Winning the league? Struggling is relative.

I agree our squad the last few years has performed above the sum of it's parts. But the drop from winning the league & deserving to beat Madrid to scrambling about mid-table getting beaten at home by West Brom, Newcastle & Spurs is huge.
 
McGeady10 said:
Show OUR manager respect!

He's the most important man at the club and there should be no threads discussing the job he's doing.

We should be questioning these players and their performances.
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Don't be ridiculous. The manager is responsible for the team selections, tactics, motivation etc. Yes the players are underperforming, but Moyes has been terrible so far and it should be said.
 
McGeady10 said:
Show OUR manager respect!

He's the most important man at the club and there should be no threads discussing the job he's doing.

We should be questioning these players and their performances.
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In fairness both the players and manager need to take responsibility for our performances so far. As much as you like to blame the players, Moyes has to take his share of the blame. I'm wondering if our problems run deeper than we think, it seems like Moyes has lost the confidence of our players.
 
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