They missed squad depth, which can still come and haunt Martinez.
Moyes So Far!
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Nah, this isn't it. They were actually better in the second half of season under Moyes, they didn't wear off.
That's because Moyes's intense pre-season and type of training regime will always bear fruits in the second half of the season. Take a look at periods when they suffered from key players being injured. The replacements were just not good enough.
Who is saying Martinez is God? Their football is a little more exciting than what it was seems to be the general gist of things. Get that chip off your shoulder, it's Christmas.
I thought the football under Moyes was quite dire for most seasons. Last season they played some nice stuff though.
I always found Everton quite good to watch.
Rather I'm saying in his last season Fergie didn't see why he should burden his successor with a set of new midfielders he might not even rate. Especially when it is well known a manger usually stamps his style on a team via its midfield.
You make the unwarranted assumption that Moyes would have been happy with any set of new players Fergie could have left him.
Yet a look at Zaha's fate should tell you that is not wise
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I highly doubt that. .....I'm certain well before January he was aware he was done.
It isn't a master plan to do something that makes simple sense.
Even if he knew in January it doesn't explain why he didn't sign a midfielder between 2010 and 2013 when it was a glowing lack in our squad. He just failed to identify proper midfielders and neglected the issue, it wasn't a deliberate action aimed at leaving midfield empty for a new manager.
And no, it doesn't make sense to leave a poor midfield to a new manager on purpose. Moyes might have been equally unhappy with defenders, wingers or forwards, doesn't mean Ferguson shouldn't have bought any in the 5 years preceding retirement.
In his book he said he pretty much knew by the new year, and contractually had to declare it before the end of March anyway.
He said he would understand if the likes of VP and Kagawa were upset as he'd previously said to them he wouldn't be retiring anytime soon, although that was right at the time.
He said he would understand if the likes of VP and Kagawa were upset as he'd previously said to them he wouldn't be retiring anytime soon, although that was right at the time.
I hope Moyes doesn't brake yet another negative record, Bruce has never won against us as a manager.
Newcastle, Everton and West Brom broke their hoodoo against us. It's only fair that Hull and Steve Bruce break theirs too.
Feel sorry for him because im sure we prepared well for this one but some absolute horror defending from set pieces and of course Jonny Evans has undone us early.
After this one I hope Vidic replaces Evans in the back four because we aren't winning shite when we can't keep clean sheets.
After this one I hope Vidic replaces Evans in the back four because we aren't winning shite when we can't keep clean sheets.
Fair play. He went gung ho even though I disagreed and it paid off. Bringing Cheech on and moving Rooney to midfield really changed things for us.
Good subs today.
Yup, Moyes did well today.
He's got a lot of work to do to get this team back to being a real force again. He's doing well atm though.
Did well despite some of the players trying their very best to get sent off. Both Januzaj and Rooney could have been sent off as well
What about the daft decision to leave Valencia on as a right back? Moyes does not have a brain. Valencia should have been hauled off for Fabio immediately he got his yellow. How many times he's cost us a goal from being a make shift right back & yet Moyes left him there & his red card almost cost us 2 points.
Moyes needs an IQ booster.
Looked up for a fight today 
What in the feck are you blabbing about? It's not Moyes fault that Valencia decided it would be a good time to act the cnut
Made the right subs at the right times today, and you could see how much the 3rd goal meant to him when it went in. Delighted.
I don't like Valencia as a right back but he did nothing wrong defensively today and looked untroubled. A manager can't account for a lack of discipline like that unless a player has previous history which Valencia doesn't.
Not sure he did. Hernandez added nothing to our game IMO. Doesn't really matter. We got the result. Now we just need to see an improvement in the football.
Sack him.
Whose fault is it that we are playing a make shift in the RB position? Valencia's first yellow was as a result of bad positioning. A tactically-aware manager should have pulled him off then. A make-shift RB on a yellow is an accident waiting to happen. He's not even good at defending. Twice before his yellow, he showed lapses allowing Danny Graham's header. We would start beating teams when Moyes realises he must field players in their natural position.
On another day, Hull would have equalised....
Ah, that fecking troll is back.
Agree with that. He did selfishly feck up a chance when he could have laid it to Welbeck who was getting through on goal.
The best thing Moyes did all game IMV was dropping Rooney into midfield so there was a player there who could play there. I'll say it again, he should keep doing that until we have more than one absolutely competent player for midfield.
Come off it. His options were Januzaj for Rafael and Valencia at RB, unfit Vidic on and Smalling to RB which would have killed out threat on the right (where, incidentally, the winning goal came from) or bring on Fabio who's (a) clearly out of favour (b) would not be match fit because of this and (c) would be coming into a game where we were 2-0 down and struggling defensively.
He made exactly the right call, not his fault Valencia made a dumbshit move at the end.
Hats off to Moyes today. Very positive and took the game to Hull when our backs were up against the wall.
Good to see him get fired up at times too.
Good to see him get fired up at times too.
You're talking crap. We needed another midfielder on which is why Carrick came on. Valencia is the only one to blame
To be fair though Moyes had no way of knowing that'd be his impact. Besides, we were chasing the game, and the only other attack minded player he could have brought on was Kagawa, who given how physical Hull are and how hard they pressed us could have been disasterous.
Can´t really fault Moyes´ decisions today. He had to go for it and he did. You can, in hindsight, question certain selections e.g. Valencia but you can see how pre-match Moyes would have felt the line up he picked was good enough to get the three points (which IMO it was). Plus, Moyes´response to going 2-0 down was positive. Most importantly for me heads did not drop as they did at Cardiff or against Newcastle or in other bad games. The fire was there, the belief was there, and Moyes was encouraging that with the way he demanded we chase the game. These aren´t things you should not expect from a United boss but given the way Moyes started I´m glad to see it from him.
Most of the joy Hull had after our 3rd goal was in Valencia's area. Sagbo räped him all afternoon. If Rafael gets injured, his twin should be the logical replacement. We have conceded too many goals with Valencia as the RB.
His reactions to some of the ref's decisions were just priceless.
He got a certain edge and that's good ! That's what this team should be also about.
He got a certain edge and that's good ! That's what this team should be also about.
I don't mind Rooney dropping into midfield but I prefer him as the forward most of a 3 man midfield or a free roaming number 10 rather than one of the two central midfielders.
Big result today for Moyes. Delighted for him and the players. Still need play better football but hopefully that comes with confidence.
I'm really liking the signs we're seeing from him these days. There's more positivity in the decisions he's making in regards to team selections. Also we're making decisive and timely subs as well.
He's also starting to show that fiery attitude on the touchline. Keep it up.
He's also starting to show that fiery attitude on the touchline. Keep it up.
Like I said, I don't like Valencia at right back. But personally, I didn't see him as a defensive liability today.
Great decisions done by him, I thought that letting Valencia play at RB was a good choice because we were 0-2 down already and needed some power up front. He didn't stop at 2:2 either, letting Chicharito on and moving Rooney to CM. His decisions got us points today, absolutely no negativity and great come back for him at last.
I don't see any reason to criticise his substitutions today. Valencia/Janujaz was destroying them in the first half until Bruce but Sagbo on Valencia. Hernandez was a bit shit but then that's not Moyes's fault. If anything that helped with the third goal with Rooney breaking into the box from an otherwise deeper position putting pressure on Chester. Perhaps he should have taken off Janujaz rather than Young, who was looking good whilst the former was looking like he was trying to get sent off for diving.
These sorts of games I think are good learning for Moyes in terms of building his own siege mentality.
These sorts of games I think are good learning for Moyes in terms of building his own siege mentality.
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