The sub was more about getting Januzaj on and making that happen and us looking better going forward than defensive stability. We had to go for it at that point. And it worked.
Moyes So Far!
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The sub was more about getting Januzaj on and making that happen and us looking better going forward than defensive stability. We had to go for it at that point. And it worked.
Starting to show some character from the touchline now. I find it very amusing.
He's doing really well at the moment, some players are letting him down big time but we're marching on and he deserves credit for that.
Fair play to the man. We're grinding out results and he has to be credited for that
Yeah, the last thing he would've needed now that we've got some momentum is a huge list of injuries. There can't be continuity like that, but he's been very positive and got things right. Were we lucky? Yes, but maybe that balances the lack of luck with all the bloody injuries.
We kept the momentum going, sometimes that can be the most important thing.
Got to hand it to him...Starting to show some bite and fight...
Compare him on the touchline today...Full of energy, instructions, motivating and making changes when they were needed.
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The City match. When he sat there, motionless, head in hands and not having a notion what to do
Compare him on the touchline today...Full of energy, instructions, motivating and making changes when they were needed.
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The City match. When he sat there, motionless, head in hands and not having a notion what to do
Moyes deserves a bit of luck at this stage, in fairness to him.
When the hell have we got lucky in the last few seasons?
Even when Fergie was here, some of the decisions against us were awful. It's a United thing
When the hell have we got lucky in the last few seasons?
Even when Fergie was here, some of the decisions against us were awful. It's a United thing
We got lucky plenty of times. We robbed Chelsea of a result away last season, remember?
When the hell have we got lucky in the last few seasons?
Even when Fergie was here, some of the decisions against us were awful. It's a United thing
Yeah it's frustrating to think that with a bit more luck we'd be right up there this season.
Exactly!
While our performances against Everton, Spurs, Newcastle, City and West Brom were shocking, we deserved more points in some of the the games like Cardiff for example.
Add to the fact RVP, who got injured taking a corner and Carrick have been missing and now Phil Jones and Nani are out, it's seriously annoying.
No one in this league this year has been great.
We were shocking against Cardiff. A draw was all we deserved.
Naa, we're at we are at merit. It's not about luck.
Interesting comment from Michael Owen in this city game saying "the best team doesn't always win the league".
I don't get how the best team in every aspect possible doesn't win the league after 38 games? Some of what Moyes has done has baffled me at times but I'll always want him to come good. Its after the 38 league games when he'll get a serious review from us all.
A lot said is tongue in cheek and at the same time people held valid opinions about some of his decisions but the least he deserves is the full season to show his full credentials.
In a situation where we win the title (I don't think we will but hypothetically speaking...) I hope people can praise him for the turnaround as opposed to attributing the achievement to a meltdown from clubs above us. Its a 38 game season.
I don't get how the best team in every aspect possible doesn't win the league after 38 games? Some of what Moyes has done has baffled me at times but I'll always want him to come good. Its after the 38 league games when he'll get a serious review from us all.
A lot said is tongue in cheek and at the same time people held valid opinions about some of his decisions but the least he deserves is the full season to show his full credentials.
In a situation where we win the title (I don't think we will but hypothetically speaking...) I hope people can praise him for the turnaround as opposed to attributing the achievement to a meltdown from clubs above us. Its a 38 game season.
While I agree to a certain extent but, some things have gone wrong for us completely in terms of luck...RVP getting injured taking a corner? Thats pretty bad luck.
It's nice to see Moyes finally getting used to things and coming to terms with being United manager.
That's life, that's football. It might have had something to do with the fact he played 90 minutes a few days earlier when he shouldn't have. If so, it's not luck, it's a decision going wrong.
Besides, we've won every game since Van Persie was injured, so what does that have to do with anything?
It's never just about the wins. And with a new manager in place who's yet to find a consistent style, let alone first 11, not having our best player obviously slows that process down. But the team have done OK given the circumstance recently.
Our best player was present and delivered an assist and a goal today. Sorry to be pedantic.
Results ultimately is what we needed and we are getting them but, I was hoping to start seeing a bit more of a style/identity to the side. I wish he'd find a way to get us playing a little bit quicker. Watching City today, you can see those periods where you know that's right off the training ground, quick passing that either gets them out of defense and/or into dangerous positions. Watching us play right now, I can't say this looks like where we've been focusing on in training.
I thought there were good signs, the thing thats very apparent is that there is an attempt to play more balls forward to the feet of players ahead. Very clear difference from 5-6 games ago, Cleverley being the most obvious example but other players also keen to try to play forward as well. Also a few more players starting to run at players with the ball. I didnt see much wrong with quickness, we played a team with 4 at the back and 5 in the midfield with an in form Huddlestone doing a very good job both defensively and attacking. Away from home against a team who this season have had a good record at home and apart from the 2 daft goals and Hull throwing everything at us in the last 10 minutes I saw lots to be optimistic about.
Great, classic boxing day-stuff. Perhaps not utterly convincing against an average side, but we turned around a 2-0 deficit away form home against a team that's barely let in goals at home all season.
We're still a way off, but I think Moyes has started showing a more adventurous side and it's yielded immediate results.
Now we need to really go and take the game to Norwich from the kick off and not let them have a head start. Worrying about all our injuries, though.
We're still a way off, but I think Moyes has started showing a more adventurous side and it's yielded immediate results.
Now we need to really go and take the game to Norwich from the kick off and not let them have a head start. Worrying about all our injuries, though.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...n-exactly-position-Christmas-David-Moyes.html
Sorry if its already been posted but a good article on current Everton vs Moyes Everton
Everton are in the same position and have the same points against top teams as last Christmas... so why is Moyes' time at Goodison being dismissed and rewritten?
Turns out it was all an accident. Eight top 7 finishes in eleven years in charge, European football, an FA Cup Final, the total stabilisation and improvement of a club working on limited resources.
One giant fluke, the lot of it.
Let's the ignore the potential David Moyes saw in Phil Jagielka (£4million from Sheffield United), Leighton Baines (£5million from Wigan), Mikel Arteta (£2million from Real Sociedad), Tim Howard (3million from Manchester United), Sylvain Distin (£5million from Portsmouth) and Steven Pienaar (2million from Borussia Dortmund).
Let's ignore that Everton made a profit in the summer transfer window for his last five years in charge yet still never dropped below 8th place.
All a stroke of luck. For David Moyes was never much cop as Everton manager. Says so on the forums. Screams so on Twitter.
In an act of quite baffling collective revisionism, the football world appears to have wilfully disregarded the last decade and focused only on the enchanting change since the arrival of Roberto Martinez.
It's a whole new world, we are told. Everton are more expressive, more confident, readier than ever to go toe-to-toe with the big boys.
It is a far cry from that ghastly Moyes era, where it was the hoof, the whole hoof and nothing but the hoof. Where Moyes was such a tactical ignoramus that he ordered only long balls and knockdowns, where Everton fans were trapped in a long-ball hell of Moyes' own creation.
By contrast, they are now treated only to tika-taka and liquid football on this exciting, new Spanish-infused adventure with Roberto Martinez.
This is the diatribe, now here's the reality.
On Christmas Day this year, Everton will be 5th, level on points with the 4th placed team Chelsea.
On Christmas Day last year, Everton were 5th, level on points with the 4th placed team Arsenal.
By Christmas Day this year, Everton have beaten Manchester United at Old Trafford, drawn with Tottenham, Liverpool and Arsenal, defeated Chelsea at Goodison and lost at Manchester City. 9 points out of 18.
By Christmas Day last year, Everton had beaten Manchester United (admittedly at Goodison Park but in mitigation, last season's United were a stronger force), defeated Tottenham, drawn with Liverpool and Arsenal, lost against Chelsea at Goodison but drew at Manchester City. 9 points out of 18.
By Christmas Day this year, Everton have scored 29 goals, one less than last season, although they have admittedly played one fewer game.
But do remember that David Moyes was working without a striker of outstanding potential such as Romelu Lukaku.
So while it is true that Moyes was at times pragmatic during his time with Everton, to dismiss it as kick and rush, as though the Scot represented the lovechild of John Beck and Tony Pulis, is utter nonsense.
Indeed, anybody that watched Everton last season will know that Moyes had moulded them into an enterprising side, playing with width, at a high tempo and a certain flair in the final third.
Around this time last year, Victor Anichebe scored a superb team goal at Newcastle. It was a patient, measured, studied build-up, playing out from the back. Distin to Baines, clipped into Jelavic on the halfway line, cushioned into Pienaar, dinked into Fellaini, who set Jelavic free on the left, who crossed low for Anichebe to score.
Surprise package: Everton's presence in the top four would have been predicted by few in the summer
That is just one example. There are plenty more. Kevin Mirallas' goal at home to West Ham; Baines flying down the left, low pass into Fellaini, on for Pienaar, teed up for Mirallas, who slotted home.
So, it appears that certain observers - for this outlook surely cannot be universal - appear to have short memories.
Just seven months ago, Evertonians stood as one to applaud and offer gratitude to their outgoing manager in his final match at Goodison Park.
On a visit by Moyes to the Cambridge Union in the following days, lifelong Everton fans travelled down from Merseyside. One broke down in tears when thanking Moyes for restoring pride, professionalism and dignity to the club and local community.
The reasons for the souring of relations are self-evident. Moyes went back to Everton for a couple of players and he said some clumsy things in his pursuit of Marouane Fellaini and Leighton Baines.
It has not helped Moyes' cause, too, that while Manchester United have struggled since his coronation, Everton have continued to succeed in his absence.
This is not to take away from Roberto Martinez, for as we are seeing at Old Trafford, it is not straightforward to continue and build on the smart work of a long-standing manager.
And for all the similarity in league position, the major difference this season is that Everton are just 2 points off top, compared to 12 points on Christmas Day last year.
Yet that owes as much to veritable lack of consistency of any leading side; even with Everton's improvement this season, they would still have found themselves 8 points behind Manchester United this time last year.
Martinez is not naive, he will know that much of the success of this season can be owed to what Moyes had already established: most notably an excellent defence, with Phil Jagielka, Sylvain Distin and Tim Howard forming a Bermuda Triangle for opposing strikers.
He is seeing the fruit of Moyes' smart development of Seamus Coleman, loaned out to Blackpool and then played at both full-back and on the wing.
Moyes' patience with Ross Barkley, resisting interest from Chelsea and Tottenham, and not exposing him before he was absolutely ready for the top flight, has also been overlooked.
So, by all means, revel in these expansive new times under Roberto Martinez but do not rewrite history and do not forget the debt that Everton still owe to their former manager.
Sorry if its already been posted but a good article on current Everton vs Moyes Everton
Everton are in the same position and have the same points against top teams as last Christmas... so why is Moyes' time at Goodison being dismissed and rewritten?
Turns out it was all an accident. Eight top 7 finishes in eleven years in charge, European football, an FA Cup Final, the total stabilisation and improvement of a club working on limited resources.
One giant fluke, the lot of it.
Let's the ignore the potential David Moyes saw in Phil Jagielka (£4million from Sheffield United), Leighton Baines (£5million from Wigan), Mikel Arteta (£2million from Real Sociedad), Tim Howard (3million from Manchester United), Sylvain Distin (£5million from Portsmouth) and Steven Pienaar (2million from Borussia Dortmund).
Let's ignore that Everton made a profit in the summer transfer window for his last five years in charge yet still never dropped below 8th place.
All a stroke of luck. For David Moyes was never much cop as Everton manager. Says so on the forums. Screams so on Twitter.
In an act of quite baffling collective revisionism, the football world appears to have wilfully disregarded the last decade and focused only on the enchanting change since the arrival of Roberto Martinez.
It's a whole new world, we are told. Everton are more expressive, more confident, readier than ever to go toe-to-toe with the big boys.
It is a far cry from that ghastly Moyes era, where it was the hoof, the whole hoof and nothing but the hoof. Where Moyes was such a tactical ignoramus that he ordered only long balls and knockdowns, where Everton fans were trapped in a long-ball hell of Moyes' own creation.
By contrast, they are now treated only to tika-taka and liquid football on this exciting, new Spanish-infused adventure with Roberto Martinez.
This is the diatribe, now here's the reality.
On Christmas Day this year, Everton will be 5th, level on points with the 4th placed team Chelsea.
On Christmas Day last year, Everton were 5th, level on points with the 4th placed team Arsenal.
By Christmas Day this year, Everton have beaten Manchester United at Old Trafford, drawn with Tottenham, Liverpool and Arsenal, defeated Chelsea at Goodison and lost at Manchester City. 9 points out of 18.
By Christmas Day last year, Everton had beaten Manchester United (admittedly at Goodison Park but in mitigation, last season's United were a stronger force), defeated Tottenham, drawn with Liverpool and Arsenal, lost against Chelsea at Goodison but drew at Manchester City. 9 points out of 18.
By Christmas Day this year, Everton have scored 29 goals, one less than last season, although they have admittedly played one fewer game.
But do remember that David Moyes was working without a striker of outstanding potential such as Romelu Lukaku.
So while it is true that Moyes was at times pragmatic during his time with Everton, to dismiss it as kick and rush, as though the Scot represented the lovechild of John Beck and Tony Pulis, is utter nonsense.
Indeed, anybody that watched Everton last season will know that Moyes had moulded them into an enterprising side, playing with width, at a high tempo and a certain flair in the final third.
Around this time last year, Victor Anichebe scored a superb team goal at Newcastle. It was a patient, measured, studied build-up, playing out from the back. Distin to Baines, clipped into Jelavic on the halfway line, cushioned into Pienaar, dinked into Fellaini, who set Jelavic free on the left, who crossed low for Anichebe to score.
Surprise package: Everton's presence in the top four would have been predicted by few in the summer
That is just one example. There are plenty more. Kevin Mirallas' goal at home to West Ham; Baines flying down the left, low pass into Fellaini, on for Pienaar, teed up for Mirallas, who slotted home.
So, it appears that certain observers - for this outlook surely cannot be universal - appear to have short memories.
Just seven months ago, Evertonians stood as one to applaud and offer gratitude to their outgoing manager in his final match at Goodison Park.
On a visit by Moyes to the Cambridge Union in the following days, lifelong Everton fans travelled down from Merseyside. One broke down in tears when thanking Moyes for restoring pride, professionalism and dignity to the club and local community.
The reasons for the souring of relations are self-evident. Moyes went back to Everton for a couple of players and he said some clumsy things in his pursuit of Marouane Fellaini and Leighton Baines.
It has not helped Moyes' cause, too, that while Manchester United have struggled since his coronation, Everton have continued to succeed in his absence.
This is not to take away from Roberto Martinez, for as we are seeing at Old Trafford, it is not straightforward to continue and build on the smart work of a long-standing manager.
And for all the similarity in league position, the major difference this season is that Everton are just 2 points off top, compared to 12 points on Christmas Day last year.
Yet that owes as much to veritable lack of consistency of any leading side; even with Everton's improvement this season, they would still have found themselves 8 points behind Manchester United this time last year.
Martinez is not naive, he will know that much of the success of this season can be owed to what Moyes had already established: most notably an excellent defence, with Phil Jagielka, Sylvain Distin and Tim Howard forming a Bermuda Triangle for opposing strikers.
He is seeing the fruit of Moyes' smart development of Seamus Coleman, loaned out to Blackpool and then played at both full-back and on the wing.
Moyes' patience with Ross Barkley, resisting interest from Chelsea and Tottenham, and not exposing him before he was absolutely ready for the top flight, has also been overlooked.
So, by all means, revel in these expansive new times under Roberto Martinez but do not rewrite history and do not forget the debt that Everton still owe to their former manager.
Because some fans don't think that far back.
The article was discussed earlier in the thread. It ignores the fact that the likes of Liverpool, Arsenal, and City have improved significantly this year, which makes Everton's current league position a bit more impressive compared to where they were last year.
Because for starters they beat Chelsea at home, who they always lose to. They beat us away this season. Last season they beat us at home. They outplayed Arsenal at the Emirates. It's not just the results. Their change of style in such a short amount of time has been remarkable.
They doing well. But we'd see how they'd do in the second half of the season.
They doing well. But we'd see how they'd do in the second half of the season.
http://espnfc.com/blog/_/name/espnfcunited/id/11284?cc=5901
That is last bit of the article and exactly what I feel is needed - if not in January then for sure in the summer.
Article does make me wonder if Moyes and Co. are so caught up in making sure every single box is checked that they end up crippling themselves in making a decision to buy. Every purchase is a risk and probably with Fellaini he went with the "safest" but, even that may not end up being a safe decision. He will need to take some risk, maybe buy even 2 or 3 and hope 1 really pans out, after all we really need 1 maybe 2 that can be regular first XI players.
That is last bit of the article and exactly what I feel is needed - if not in January then for sure in the summer.
Article does make me wonder if Moyes and Co. are so caught up in making sure every single box is checked that they end up crippling themselves in making a decision to buy. Every purchase is a risk and probably with Fellaini he went with the "safest" but, even that may not end up being a safe decision. He will need to take some risk, maybe buy even 2 or 3 and hope 1 really pans out, after all we really need 1 maybe 2 that can be regular first XI players.
I think it's a pretty good article. ESPN one.
Says the right things and I agree hundred percent with that.
Says the right things and I agree hundred percent with that.
I've not had a full read of the article so sorry if I missed something, but it seems to miss the point. No one is saying that Moyes didn't do a great job at Everton, or that he didn't do well to take them to where he did due to the fact that Martinez is now there and is doing well. What people are saying is that while Moyes did very well at Everton, he didn't do well to the point that they were going to crumble and struggle after he left. The article seems to think people are dismissing what Moyes did at Everton when that's not really the case, as pretty much everyone recognises he was a great manager for them.
It also tells us that Moyes didn't have Lukaku at his disposal last season, ignoring the fact that Martinez made a great deal to get him on loan, and that Martinez giving Barkley chances in the first team this season is because Moyes didn't sell him, completely ignoring the fact that Martinez is the one who has shown faith by giving him regular first team football.
It also tells us that Moyes didn't have Lukaku at his disposal last season, ignoring the fact that Martinez made a great deal to get him on loan, and that Martinez giving Barkley chances in the first team this season is because Moyes didn't sell him, completely ignoring the fact that Martinez is the one who has shown faith by giving him regular first team football.
Ominous chat regarding transfers - or maybe I'm just cynical.
How?
I like that he gave Evra special praise. I don't like him still saying he's getting to know the players though.
I literally have zero idea what we're going to do in the transfer window, nothing would surprise me at this stage.
I literally have zero idea what we're going to do in the transfer window, nothing would surprise me at this stage.
Agree with this. Another fan and I sat at the pub hoping he'd make an attacking move when Rafael went off. I was worried he'd shunt Smalling right which does no good down 0-2. I find the 'Valencia to RB/Januzaj on' the right move that ignited the comeback. Was surprised to see him make an attacking move like that but perhaps at 0-0 he wouldn't have been so bold.
Yeh, that sub was excellent to see. I know we were 2-0 down but I still wouldn't have been surprised, nor disappointed if he brought on Fabio or Vidic and reshaped the back four. It was a bold move that paid off. Compared to his first month or so, it's an area that he has improved on.
Gotta give him credit for the important wins with a depleted squad and players returning from long term injuries.
That's his best win of the season taking everything into consideration. With no Rooney and RVP and grind out a 1-0 at somewhere that we've struggled in the past. Well happy with that.
Good to see a halftime sub!
huge win today. Could easily have dropped points there with our injury list.
But the run is building momentum now. Very pleased.
But the run is building momentum now. Very pleased.
Grinding out the results ala Fergie. Only that our performances have gotten even worse. Anyway important win.
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