Yup, and you never know the table might look a little more interesting if we do.
I'm feeling a little more positive after watching the others dropping points
Moyes So Far!
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I'm feeling a little more positive after watching the others dropping points
I hope we don't and he just goes!! The guy is a good manager he just has the wrong philosophy for this club and the players we have.
If you believe he can't do something what would be the point of championing him getting an attempt at it?
I truly believe that he is out of his depth. I think the job is dramatically over his head and I don't think he has the skill-set, experience or mentality for it at all. I don't even think he's in the top five managers in the league really, nevermind being good enough for a club this size.
My concern is that if we 'give him time' out of sentiment we'll end up in a situation where we are well off the pace, are stuck with a squad that aren't capable of success, and have to rebuild from scratch the way the scousers did. It's not the remote possibility that it used to be either and I think a united team built in his image would set us back years.
In isolation the Everton result isn't all that bad, unfortunately four points from Cardiff away, Tottenham away, Everton home, Newcastle home, West Brom home, Southampton home and Chelsea home is just a tiny bit abysmal.
Yeah, and I think Villa away is the perfect game to have as a start of the run. Win the next four and we're in january and will be close to top 4 again and have options to spend money and bring one or two players in.
If you prepare yourself for those 4 wins then you might be really disappointed.
Yeah, everyone else has more difficult fixtures than us though.
Villa vs Us
City vs Arsenal
Liverpool play Spurs
Newcastle play Southampton
Us vs West Ham
Arsenal vs Chelsea
Southampton vs Spurs
Us vs Hull
Liverpool vs City
Us vs Norwich
Everton vs Southampton
Chelsea vs Liverpool
If we don't come out of this period better off than the teams around us then it'd be hugely disappointing and worrying.
Villa vs Us
City vs Arsenal
Liverpool play Spurs
Newcastle play Southampton
Us vs West Ham
Arsenal vs Chelsea
Southampton vs Spurs
Us vs Hull
Liverpool vs City
Us vs Norwich
Everton vs Southampton
Chelsea vs Liverpool
If we don't come out of this period better off than the teams around us then it'd be hugely disappointing and worrying.
Seriously? We need points on the board regardless of the philosophy he's trying to implement/not implement. Actively wishing that the club drops point so that the manager goes is strange.
We desperately need the 12 points, even 3 against Villa will have a positive impact on the team. We need to go back to scrapping out results for a few weeks until they get their confidence back.
There's a huge incentive for us there. These next 4 are crucial.
Why have Everton handled their own transition so well in comparison to Utd? They are infinitely better than they were yet we are well below standard.
They are playing better than is last 10 years or so, though they got more points last season, so infinitely might be a too big word.
I don't think that the situation are comparable anyway. It's a much bigger step jumping from Everton to United than from Wigan to Everton.
People are building themselves up to be let down again. There's no way we're getting anything close to 12 points out of the next four games, unless RVP and Rooney hit some red hot form together.
A little positivity on here? I'll be damned.
I know what you're saying but everyone saying transition for us is a problem - Everton are going through the same change yet have reacted completely differently. One team is liberated, the other looks shot
It's that everyone bar Spuds and Pool have dropped points, so the mood has seeped into the caf as well.
They dont really have the same pressures and expectation levels. Also a couple of their loan deals have gone well for them. Lets see how they do next season.
Nobody is really building us up, but even on current form we should be expecting 9 or so points from them games. Anything less than wins vs Hull and West Ham would be a failure - away to Villa and Norwich will inevitably be difficult but we've got Rooney back from suspension, van Persie and Rafael getting back to full fitness. The squad is in a better position than it has been in a while.
New style of play. Teams don't know what their weakness is but they'll be figured out.
Our weakness is well known because it's existed now for 3 years. And with Carrick out, it's dreadfully obvious. Pressure United in the midfield and you win.
Plus, Everton are playing for nothing. Zero expectations.
We will beat villa and stop the rot. Ferdinand needs to be put in his box after his comments. Evra needs dropping because I get the feeling he may be one of the few senior players less than happy with the appointment, plus he is struggling of late. Get a win and play the same team the following game.
Because they have added quality players, albeit on loan, to plug the holes they had in their squad... part of the reason anyway.
Also, I'm not really sure you can compare taking over Everton with taking over Utd in terms of a host of things like fans expectations, media spotlight etc etc etc.
Yeah... I'm not a fan and would prefer if he were sacked because I don't think he's cut out for United, but to want us to do shit to make sure he gets sacked is plain stupidity.
What the feck can you know about his footballing philosophy after 14 games with some of our best players out injured. We can change the players. Some NEED to be changed. Pity the same can't be done with some fans.
Wishing for your team to lose, christ.
Why are Arsenal so much better than last season? Because they signed the right player for them and other players stepped up. Everton have brought in wisely in the summer. We didn't buy wisely at all and we've also had the misfortune of the key players from last season Carrick and RVP not starting the season particularly well and then getting injured for an absolutely key run of games and we've only had one player, Rooney, actually step up. Everyone else is either as they were or has hid away, particularly in the midfield area.
It's very frustrating as when you look at Everton you think why couldn't our transition be as easy as that but I just don't think we've done our buisness right and haven't had that luck you need as well and it makes a big difference. I mean you look at Ozil and what a lift he's given the players there. Lukaku has brought Everton that striker they needed and Barry has brought a strong desire to prove himself and a wealth of experience to Everton. We had that with RVP last season. Fellaini has been very reserved and clearly not had any such impact on the players.
I mean really everything that could have gone wrong did/has. We didn't solve the weaknesses in the team, we probably lost too many backroom coaches, we had an opening tough bout of fixtures and following those we lost some key players at a point where we needed to grind some wins out. The one big signing we had has been a complete let down so far and we've not really had any fortune in games. The only bright sparks are Rooney and Januzaj.
I think we've just got to get the best results we can until the new year and then get it right in January. Then hopefully things might just turn in our favor a bit.
I was in a pub last night and folk we're blaming Moyes on fans leaving Old Trafford early. Like that never happened before. Now I'm reading here that him keeping his cool is cringeworthy. Yes the team are playing like old ladies but for feck sake.
Why do people keep comparing Everton to United? It's absurd.
Not comparing it per se but to Everton players/staff, the transition is the same. They've reacted positively and are playing expansive football whereas we are a shadow of our former selves.
Everton was playing excellent today. What a improvement in passing and possession from last season. Martinez has really improved this team under his first 15 games. The question is way Moyes haven't done the same with us, in fact we have lost many go our hallmarks under this first 5 month. It's time to stop comparing him with Sir Alex, it's not that hard to implement your own ideas after nearly half a year. Other managers have proved it could be done.
Let's see what's happen this next 4 matches, anything less then 9 points must be labeled as a failure.
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Let's see what's happen this next 4 matches, anything less then 9 points must be labeled as a failure.
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You're not understanding me - from a Everton players/staff perspective, they have went through as big a transition as we have yet have reacted differently. Where does it say I'm comparing Everton to Utd?
It's easier to give a bump to an average side. The only way was down after the greatest manager ever. 15 games is only a snapshot, and doesn't tell the whole story. We are in a tricky situation but some of the nonsense here is bewildering.
I never liked Moyes even when he was Everton...But wishing he'd fail and that we lose is ridiculous.
Bloody hell
Bloody hell
You're not understanding anything. Nobody has ever undergone the scale of adjustment our club is going through.
I thought pocco was out of his mind when he said that some people were actively wanting the club to fail because of their dislike for Moyes. Turns out he was correct.
Its a debate - if you disagree then fair enough but dont be a fecking tool with your "don't understand anything" shit.
You're right that ours on a bigger scale but to the Everton players they are going through a huge change - 11 years is a long fecking time as well. I just find it interesting that every player they have seems to have reacted in a completely different fashion to ours.
The people who want us to fail are just being retarded. It doesn't mean to say criticism of Moyes isn't justified but if he turns things around and stops us losing at home that will be a good start
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What about the effect Fergie's announcing his retirement had in 2001/02? Were you a United fan then? Were the poor results then Moyes' fault too? Or was it just the idea of a retirement?
Anyone who compares this to Everton doesn't understand the scale of United, I stand by that. And you can't be precious on one hand and then call someone a fecking tool.
Two or three posters have already admitted it to me!
I'm not convinced by Moyes either, but he's the one who's probably facing sleepless nights trying to figure out how to get us out of the mess that we are finding ourselves in and he must have the support of everyone at the club to do so. Anything less from the players, board and the supporters is plain idiotic at this stage.
They have far lower expectations there, they had a good season last year with a settled side and vast improvement in players like Coleman and Mirallas. They finally got a goalscorer which they have lacked for years and Barkley matured after his loan spell. Results have been good and they are playing with confidence without half the scrutiny and pressure involved at United. It's a totally different beast and incomparable, which you seem to fail to understand.
Honestly he and a few other posters aren't worth even trying to discuss with. They hate Moyes but will claim they don't and think that that shields the truth. I have no quarms with people who dislike Moyes as everyone is entitled to an opinion but some people, Lonely included, will jump on anything to try and make their point about Moyes. They'll stay silent about what he does well. And they'll act as if they are more intelligent. They show no objectivity and it's just frustrating and detracting from the point and fun on here.
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