Moyes So Far!

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LR7 said:
I've never bought the claim that the players aren't trying, or can't be arsed. It's rubbish. They just look low on confidence and devoid of ideas.
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I heard that interview on MUTV after the game yesterday. Evans looked absolutely shell shocked after the game.
 
Spoony said:
Which to be fair, ought to've happened in the summer.
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I couldn't agree more.
He needed to make his stamp on the team by showing them who's boss, by shipping out the "deadwood" and bringing in a few fresh faces would have shown the squad that he intends to do things his way. Obviously he had to respect the way the club was run previously, however it seems he has changed very little and the players may see that as a weakness.
The summer fiasco could end up costing him his job, even if it wasn't entirely his fault.
 
I honestly don't know whether Mourinho would have been right for United, but he does have charisma, and is a motivator.
 
Jose wouldnt,
Livvie said:
I honestly don't know whether Mourinho would have been right for United, but he does have charisma, and is a motivator.
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He wouldn't as the spotlight would be on him even more and it would lead to chaos probably, although I doubt you would be so far off the pace.

I think hes enjoying managing us and staying a bit out of the spotlight, get the feeling he wants to build something with us now, theres not a lot of overreaction to the fact its not been as instantly glorious as his first time round.
 
Spoony said:
Ahhh but to be fair, we weren't exactly great to watch last season as well. In fact it was my single biggest gripe.
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But last season we were very critical too. Many were vocal about it. But obviously, there was never going to be a big focus on the manager. People focused on our lack of quality players and lack of purchases. Fergie got the blame but last year we had to moan about something =P.
 
Livvie said:
I honestly don't know whether Mourinho would have been right for United, but he does have charisma, and is a motivator.
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I think regardless of how good he is, a short term manager like him, and someone as confident and cocky as him (even if he does end up staying for the long haul now), would have been better for United IMO to help steady the ship after Sir Alex's departure, stay at the top for a bit, rather then a long term manager straight away so he wouldn't have been under Sir Alex's shadow. I don't think Moyes is good enough for a top club but he's certainly better then he's shown so far, but he just isn't strong enough mentally is what it seems like.
 
Ole's_toe_poke said:
You can't force someone to stay if they've decided to leave and pursue other things.
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They could have sweet talked him or at least attempted to rub his feet and neck. It's a tactic that I've found works wonders when trying to get otherwise impossible suggestions past the wife.
 
rpitroda said:
It was a shambles letting the CEO, Manager, and coaches (though that was a byproduct of the former) go in the same season. It seems ridiculous.
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I remember David Gill talking sometime last year I think and he said that they had a proper succession plan in place to ensure the transition to a new manager went as smoothly as possible. And none of the actions taken by the club apart from hiring Moyes and signing the 103244768th sponsorship deal seem to be planned at all. Which just goes to show that how much BS the representatives of the club sprout when talking to the media.
 
Bestie07 said:
I remember David Gill talking sometime last year I think and he said that they had a proper succession plan in place to ensure the transition to a new manager went as smoothly as possible. And none of the actions taken by the club apart from hiring Moyes and signing the 103244768th sponsorship deal seem to be planned at all. Which just goes to show that how much BS the representatives of the club sprout when talking to the media.
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If you believe some in and around the club, Gill didn't go of his own accord
 
OneUnited24 said:
Whether he should have done it in public is questionable but its still a good talking point
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Surely it's not at all questionable. It was totally the wrong thing to do. What advantage was there to doing it publicly? None that I can see, but plenty of disadvantages.

And whilst the notion that DM should be given time is admirable, and probably right in another life, the future has to come into the equasion. If it takes a year or two for him to bed in, and build his own team, will the damage be done with top players giving United the thumbs down in favour of PL and CL trophies?
 
Livvie said:
I honestly don't know whether Mourinho would have been right for United, but he does have charisma, and is a motivator.
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Only a few people have the strength of character to come to a club like this and be confident enough to be themselves. For me Mourinho could have steadied the ship after Fergie simply because he has the self belief imo. He's proven himself before and I don't think he'd have struggled to motivate the players or get them to believe in him. We may not have played the most beautiful football but I don't think anyone would have minded too much if we were getting results. Atm we aren't playing attractive football or getting wins, which makes the type of football more intolerable. The issue with Mourinho is that he wouldn't provide longevity but is longevity overrated if you haven't appointed the right man anyway? For all we know Moyes could stay here forever and not win anything. Mourinho tends to piss me off because he makes everything about himself. But when his teams play badly he tends to say something controversial to shift the attention off the players and onto him. SAF used to do that.
 
LR7 said:
Only a few people have the strength of character to come to a club like this and be confident enough to be themselves. For me Mourinho could have steadied the ship after Fergie simply because he has the self belief imo. He's proven himself before and I don't think he'd have struggled to motivate the players or get them to believe in him. We may not have played the most beautiful football but I don't think anyone would have minded too much if we were getting results. Atm we aren't playing attractive football or getting wins, which makes the type of football more intolerable. The issue with Mourinho is that he wouldn't provide longevity but is longevity overrated if you haven't appointed the right man anyway? For all we know Moyes could stay here forever and not win anything. Mourinho tends to piss me off because he makes everything about himself. But when his teams play badly he tends to say something controversial to shift the attention off the players and onto him. SAF used to do that.
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Where do you think Jose learned that trick? He's not shy about telling people how much he looks up to Fergie.
 
LonelyFire said:
The people who source it and subsequently make a living by selling those stories
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It also isn't fair to offer juicy details and then backtrack on teh interwebz with a classic such as, "Can't exactly post it here" followed up with my personal all-time favorite, "I'm no WUM." Whilst in no ways accusing you, a complete stranger and fellow Cafe-ite, of shenanigans, those two statements in and of themselves are almost always a sure sign of Wummery and Trolling.
 
It sounds like something in it when you consider his close friend in Fergie retired a couple of months later. But then you think no way would he be still so involved with the club.

Doesnt Gill now have a bigwig job in Uefa?
 
dave2528 said:
It also isn't fair to offer juicy details and then backtrack on teh interwebz with a classic such as, "Can't exactly post it here" followed up with my personal all-time favorite, "I'm no WUM." Whilst in no ways accusing you, a complete stranger and fellow Cafe-ite, of shenanigans, those two statements in and of themselves are almost always a sure sign of Wummery and Trolling.
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Believe what you want mate, but pay the money and you can get this info. UWS, RI etc all cover Utd fantastically well. It's of no interest to me to wind anyone up - all I pointed out was that there is a suggestion that Gill didn't leave of his own accord. Those who subscribe to UWS will be no stranger to this news.

That said, if you want to accuse me of wumming then fill your boots.
 
Getsme said:
I couldn't agree more.
He needed to make his stamp on the team by showing them who's boss, by shipping out the "deadwood" and bringing in a few fresh faces would have shown the squad that he intends to do things his way. Obviously he had to respect the way the club was run previously, however it seems he has changed very little and the players may see that as a weakness.
The summer fiasco could end up costing him his job, even if it wasn't entirely his fault.
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He started on the job July 1st, wanting to assess the squad properly before making any heavy decisions is not unreasonable - and given the time frame he wouldn't have had much room for successfully shipping out deadwood, etc. You can't simply kick players out, they have contracts, deals must be struck with buyers and so forth.

Ideally he should have started assessing the squad and all the rest of it as soon as Fergie made the decision to retire (around Christmas, apparently). But it doesn't work like that either, does it? He was managing another team, Fergie didn't want to announce his retirement until after the season, understandably enough. Gill stepping down and being replaced by Woody at exactly the same time didn't help either. Ideally, Gill should have stayed on, being in charge of that first, potentially crucial transfer window - but there you go: Things don't always work out ideally.

Fergie was always going to retire when he felt like it, rather than at some specified date announced well beforehand - and that was always going to make the power shift potentially tricky.
 
LonelyFire said:
Believe what you want mate, but pay the money and you can get this info. UWS, RI etc all cover Utd fantastically well. It's of no interest to me to wind anyone up - all I pointed out was that there is a suggestion that Gill didn't leave of his own accord. Those who subscribe to UWS will be no stranger to this news.

That said, if you want to accuse me of wumming then fill your boots.
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How long ago was this? I only joined a couple of months ago and want to look for the thread in question.
 
712 said:
People without any incentive to make stuff up of course. True or false they seem to have been a bit shit at selling them anyway.
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A lot of the bigger stories you get in the nationals first appear in the fanzines. Some turn out to be shit, others turn out to be spot on. Their a great source - wish more reds bought into it.
 
712 said:
People without any incentive to make stuff up then. True or false they seem to have been a bit shit at selling them anyway.
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A lot of the United-related rumour articles you read in the papers have usually been posted already in the UWS forum or fanzine. Mitten himself has said that papers steal his stuff without crediting him. Recent ones include Ozil offered to United, and Hernandez swap deal with Bale.
 
Seems like I might have to subscribe to the UWS to get all the juciy stuff now!
 
Mel_F said:
A lot of the United-related rumour articles you read in the papers have usually been posted already in the UWS forum or fanzine. Mitten himself has said that papers steal his stuff without crediting him. Recent ones include Ozil offered to United, and Hernandez swap deal with Bale.
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Spot on.
 
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