Moyes wouldn't make it because there'd be too many people wanting him to fail, and whatever he did would be classed as failing.
The same with everyone else who isn't Jose Mourinho...because there's all these weirdos who are obsessed with Mourinho managing United.
It'd be perfect if he announced he was taking the Chelsea job before we named a replacement for Fergie, but I doubt that would really help. It'd just be "the club could have moved for him sooner"
This is what we're potentially in for now. The actual spoilts will come out of the woodwork and make managing Manchester United an impossible job for everyone except who they deem fit to do so, which will basically be no one realistic, ever.
The fans would be one problem. I also don't think some of the more feckwitted members of the dressing room would particularly respect him.
It's also hard to imagine us "being more like Dortmund" when David Moyes is manager. He has no idea what managing a club at that level (let alone stature) is like, never mind how to get them playing a particular brand of football effectively which he isn't accustomed to having the resources to be able to do.
I'm not saying he wouldn't be able to do it, but there's no way in hell people would give him the time he'd need to do so. Or at least no way I can see it.
Why what did he say/do?It's almost depressing how predictable some of you lot (and Rio Ferdinand) are.
Here's what I said about United potentialy appointing Moyes just as Fergie retired last season:
And here again just prior to him being appointed.
It's almost depressing how predictable some of you lot (and Rio Ferdinand) are.
Why what did he say/do?
Sorry, not buying this at all. It'd take some beating to be doing a worse job than Moyes is at the moment. I'd really like him to stay and turn it around but I have seen absolutely zero evidence from his time here that he has the ability to do so. He'll surely get time till the new year, but another couple of defeats around Christmas and that will be the death knell on his time here.
I suppose noodle's talking about Rio talking to BT(?) about Moyes, that he doesn't tell them the squads earlier and so on.
For me Rio's acting a dick for letting such things out, if he wants to secure his job as a pundit in the BT ( I think he already has ? ), he can take another route than kicking Moyes who's lying on the floor and brown-nosing his future employer.
Just re-read your post - I get you now.
If he is there on January 1st, then he will get full season. I'm just not certain he will be there come then....
I think Moyes has 3 more points than Hodgson had after the same amount of games.
I pointed this yesterday. Usually Hodgson is remembered for all the bad reasons, but then we see people here who say that no-one would have been doing better than Moyes.
It is good backing the manager, but not lying themselves that he's doing ok.
I don't know either, mate! As you said, the Glazers will ultimately decide, I just think (believe) they will listen to anything Fergie/Charlton have to say before pulling the trigger.
Btw, I appreciate you going back to my post. Had no desire to drift into unpleasantness.
The Glazers disregard Fergie and Charlton as soon as this poor form starts to affect revenue. They still have interest payments and they are always looking for new commercial partnerships. If FSG got rid of Dalglish there's no reason why the Glazers will keep an underperforming Moyes.
They will. Certain of it
I don't know either, mate! As you said, the Glazers will ultimately decide, I just think (believe) they will listen to anything Fergie/Charlton have to say before pulling the trigger.
Btw, I appreciate you going back to my post. Had no desire to drift into unpleasantness.
Pull the trigger or listen first?
Listen. The impression I get from the Glazers is that they're happy to leave the footballing matters to those in the know
When that interferes with £££ then they won't. Glazers will decide - not SAF or charlton
Sure except a season without CL football is not going to hurt us too much
Unforgiveable. Rio should have taken his argument to the manager, not spoken publicly about it.
No I don't think it will. Woodwards recent comments seem to indicates that as well. I think he would keep most of our players as well
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A friend of mine sent me an e-mail this morning detailing why he thinks Moyes should go. I'm very much in the camp of getting behind Moyes and supporting him, the man needs time in my opinion. But I am going to post my friend's note below because (a) its a list just like the OP and could make for an interesting comparison and (b) its probably not a bad summation of Moyes so far. In spite of my honest belief that we need to stick with Moyes, it is very hard to disagree with any of the following points at this point in time...
1. He's not big enough for the job. He doesn't have the arrogance and the swagger that a Man Utd manager needs. Worrying about not wearing a suit and tie when SAF called him re the job is just one piece of evidence. He also keeps talking about how great our players are. We don't need someone awed by Man Utd. When he talked about van Persie after the match he said "I needed to take him off after 70 minutes but because we were chasing the game people would have said 'what are you doing'?" So he's admitting that he's worried what people will think - about what he's wearing, about who he's playing. Not good. He never dreamed he'd get that job and that alone was good enough reason not to give it to him.
2. He has no track record in signing big players. This was obvious during the summer. If he had the pulling power of a Fergie, the job would have got done, even allowing for Ed Woodward's limitations. Fergie himself could have intervened. A world-class manager would never have signed Fellaini. Does any other club team in the Champions League covet Fellaini? I doubt it.
3. He's never won anything, as Jose pointed out. This means he has no experience of winning and it also means that he is managing a team of winners without being a winner himself. I don't think they respect him and it's shown with Rio's comment about going mad and in the fact that Wayne Rooney has had more yellow cards already this season than in all of last season. If Chelsea don't come back in for Rooney in January and June, I'd be very surprised. He hasn't signed a new contract.
4. Look at how the managers between Jose's two terms in Chelsea still produced the goods. They were respected winners, and they got results - most obviously Ancelotti with a double. SAF had won a European trophy on limited resources before coming to United. That was a good enough CV, even now.
5. He only got the job because he's Scottish. That's not a good enough reason. Yes, he did a good job with limited resources at Everton but we don't need a manager who is used to dealing with limited resources. We need a manager who is comfortable with world-class players. SAF appointed him because it made him feel even more powerful. It was a vanity decision, tipping the cap to his roots and yet knowing Moyes would never over-shadow him. And did he really do such a great job at Everton when a novice like Roberto Martinez is, if anything, surpassing him?
6. If they give him two years to rebuild but he doesn't succeed with it - and why should we presume he will? - then we'll need another two years for the new guy to put his mark in place. By then nobody will want to come to us and we'll be more like Leeds United than Man United.
7. He inherited a team in decline. That's not his fault but Roberto Martinez inherited a team in transition too and did something with it.
8. He has no idea what his best team is and continually changing it just transmits uncertainty to all involved.
9. He is deluded because he still thinks we can win the League. I'll be happy with top four at this point.
Assuming the Glazers don't sack DM, and he doesn't resign, that would surely indicate a certain level of determination and courage. If he can rise above criticism and abuse, that has to be a good sign.
Point 1. is really interesting. Tommy Doc and Big Ron were both big personalties, who both won cups but couldn't win the league, but the players played for them. In between was Dave Sexton, who was more of a serious quiet man, who was very thorough, but not suited to United, however he had won things with Chelsea. There is a lot of media work with United, not sure Moyes is too keen on that. He may even feel it is getting in the way of him managing the team. Sir Alex was lucky he could delegate things. Moyes seems to be more hands on. The job is probably even bigger than he ever imagined.
Winning trophies is a bonus and in this day and age, almost a necessity for continued success, but I know many supporters who would be quite happy (after a period of readjustment!) to watch United play as they did under Tommy Docherty.
Sure except a season without CL football is not going to hurt us too much
You serious? A season without CL would cost a significant amount - approx £80m (tv money, prize money etc).
You're also forgetting that without CL football we will not attract the top level players. Make no mistake, Woodward can spin it whichever way he wants, a season outside of CL and we are in severe trouble
But you were right Noodle. He shouldn't have been appointed.Here's what I said about United potentialy appointing Moyes just as Fergie retired last season:
And here again just prior to him being appointed.
It's almost depressing how predictable some of you lot (and Rio Ferdinand) are.
Reading his autobiography, Ferguson attributes a lot of his success to his roots and upbringing. I think he sees a lot of similarities in Moyes' background and is hoping that'll translate into success. But it's a ridiculously flimsy (and naive) reason to hire someone for the biggest job in football, because on almost every other measure Moyes is a weak choice.
What complete and utter nonsense.
We made €35m from the CL last season, Bayern who won the whole thing made €55m and Juventus who earned the maximum amount from the CL last season got €65m.
I know there is a lot of disappointment right now, and some real doubt we can actually make even top 4 this season, but what would you think could be considered a good first season now come May time?
We all know the title is pretty much gone: Moyes is deluding himself if he believes he has a chance, we have to pretty much win every game from here to the 38th game, probably dropping 5 points maximum in the process. But we're still in the League cup, we've come top in our CL group, and we have the FA cup to start in January. The minimum for me to be happy with his first season is:
We are so used to coming 1st or 2nd that coming outside the top 4 seems like the end of the world, so to get 4th would actually be good considering the predicament we are currently in. Having some good cup runs will hopefully make Moyes a bit more offensive in his tactics, as you either go on and win a game or you're out straight away; you can't just sit back in the cup games every time.
- At least 4th in the Premier League. Below that would automatically qualify as a bad season.
- A win in the league cup. One trophy under his belt would do wonders to his confidence.
- A quarters/Semi final in the FA cup.
- Quarters in the CL, going out with a real fight and not whimpering over two legs.
I know there is a lot of disappointment right now, and some real doubt we can actually make even top 4 this season, but what would you think could be considered a good first season now come May time?
We all know the title is pretty much gone: Moyes is deluding himself if he believes he has a chance, we have to pretty much win every game from here to the 38th game, probably dropping 5 points maximum in the process. But we're still in the League cup, we've come top in our CL group, and we have the FA cup to start in January. The minimum for me to be happy with his first season is:
We are so used to coming 1st or 2nd that coming outside the top 4 seems like the end of the world, so to get 4th would actually be good considering the predicament we are currently in. Having some good cup runs will hopefully make Moyes a bit more offensive in his tactics, as you either go on and win a game or you're out straight away; you can't just sit back in the cup games every time.
- At least 4th in the Premier League. Below that would automatically qualify as a bad season.
- A win in the league cup. One trophy under his belt would do wonders to his confidence.
- A quarters/Semi final in the FA cup.
- Quarters in the CL, going out with a real fight and not whimpering over two legs.
Maybe I'm off on the actual amount but belief that it won't have impact is complete bullshit
But you were right Noodle. He shouldn't have been appointed.
