Moyes So Far!

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SirAF said:
Unbelievable.
We all knew we'd have to be patient, if Moyes can just keep us in the Champions League then he should be given another two or three seasons to get us close to the title.
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I agree, it was always going to be a struggle after SAF left, how could it not be.
SAF was a fantastic motivator of players and got more out of them, then they knew they had.
 
pauldyson1uk said:
I agree, it was always going to be a struggle after SAF left, how could it not be.
SAF was a fantastic motivator of players and got more out of them, then they knew they had.
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Oh yes. I think we can say, with the greatest respect to Sir Alex, that his last team had a couple of flaws and his man-management skills got so much more out of the squad. Moyes and Woodward got to fix those flaws now, and I honestly think it will take two or three more transfer windows to start resembeling a team that can win the PL and CL.
 
As has been said before, Guardiola and Martinez took over at Bayern and Barca clubs equal to us but not only brought their own men in but also kept the existing staff.

Too many of Moyes decisions are as if hes still at Everton, why are we training him up for the job? What skills foes he have that are exceptional?

He is shit talking in public with his Hodgsonesque attitude.
What brilliant tactics has he employed?
He might be good at finding a £4m odd bargain at Everton but at United he has no experience of buying at the high end.
how can he be a great motivator if he talks so negative?
He has no background of success.

All he has going for him is Fergie chose him.
 
.Rossi said:
In my opinion, he should have kept some of the former staff and let Neville and Giggs learn on a daily basis from working with them
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What is "some" though? It's not as if he let ten go. We're talking about two, really - Phelan and Rene, as the goalkeeping coach wouldn't have a huge effect on the entire team. And one was offered a role that suited Moyes's way of working.
 
What does Manchester United manager David Moyes stand for? Where is the big philosophy? He needs to show us
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The defeat to Everton following disappointing draws at Cardiff and Spurs has brought the snipers back to the turrets. There were many United supporters who did not share Sir Alex Ferguson’s enthusiasm for Moyes. There was an uncritical sense of his having done a ‘good job’ at Everton without really understanding how or why.

He kept Everton on the fringes of the top-six, made some decent moves in the transfer market but without ever quickening the pulse. Where was the big idea? Where was the Pep Guardiola philosophy, the Arsene Wenger aesthetic, the Jose Mourinho attention to detail? Moyes was seen more as the fire fighter than the barnburner. The requirement at United is to set Old Trafford ablaze.

We have spent the first 14 games of the Premier League season searching for answers to the question raised above. He appears unconvinced by Shinji Kagawa, hooked again on Wednesday night when he was looking for a change of gear. Kagawa gave his best performance in a red shirt last week in a part of the pitch that is widely understood to be the biggest problem. Kagawa offered two-footed invention in the middle of the park and was frankly the revelation Moyes failed to spot in the first few weeks of his reign.

Wilfried Zaha, promising enough to persuade the old regime to part with £12 million to bring him in from Crystal Palace, was given a run out for United’s under-21s last week, not the future he or the club envisaged. The one introduction made by Moyes, Marouane Fellaini, has so far failed to convince. So that’s 40 million quid burning a big, unproductive hole in the books.

There have been some successes, the rehabilitation of Wayne Rooney and the projection of Adnan Januzai being two. Episodically United have looked cohesive and purposeful; home and away against Bayer Leverkuesen, the first half against Arsenal, the first 20 minutes at home against Real Sociedad, but then the return of a kind of bland nothingness.

Moyes does not appear to know what his best team is. Nani played his finest match for as long as any can remember in last week’s 5-0 mauling but was benched at Spurs and against Everton. Ashley Young dives in and out. Injuries to Robin Van Persie and Danny Welbeck haven’t helped but that is not the area of greatest concern.

Moyes paired Fellaini with Ryan Giggs against Everton in his latest attempt to fill the midfield black hole. A 40-yearold man and a player still to settle are not the answer and were all the incentive Everton needed. Phil Jones and Tom Cleverley come and go, the former more effectively than the latter, but without erasing the idea that there is a centre-half on the loose in the middle of the park. Cleverley is demonstrably a weapon beyond use.

After 11 years at Goodison Park Moyes arrived as the finished article, the man to take United forward. But who is that man? We await a definitive move, a sense that he is controlling events and not the reverse. The defeat to Everton compels him to take matters by the neck, to demonstrate leadership, to show he can operate on the greatest stage, to tell us what he is about, to carve out an identity commensurate with the club he manages.
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The big major difference for me is Moyes attitude.

Fergie never accepted he or the team was anything less than the best. Even though deep down he knew we probably didn't have the strongest team, he never let that come across.

Moyes has already got the excuses in early, and I think the way he talks comes across as he is expecting to fail. This is spreading a bad morale in the camp and allowing the players to almost make an excuse.

I can understand in a part that Moyes wants to maybe lower the pressure on himself. He does not want to say I will win the league and CL, then lose and look a fool. On the other hand though the constant talk of "we will try and make it difficult for them" is just not what we need. This aspect above all needs to be improved for me IMO.
 
SirAF said:
Oh yes.. let's hurl abuse at David Moyes, six months into the job - after replacing the greatest manager of all time. Fans like that almost deserves to be commercially exploited by the club. Bloody hell.
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Without being disrespectful to you why do we still talking about Sir Alex after five month? If he replaced the greatest manager why didn't he kept Phelan and Renee to have a smooth start. He would have plenty of time until next summer to find replacements.

We have almost the same squad but we play like a completely different team. So many players are underperforming that it is embarrassing. Using Rooney as the only shining positive example don't tell the story.

David Moyes has so far done way below our worst expectation but that's not the most worrying thing. His negative approach and mindset is what bother me most. It's sad to say but I don't see him change his personality and that's why he's not the right man for this job. Nothing personal against him, he's a nice bloke.


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7even said:
Without being disrespectful to you why do we still talking about Sir Alex after five month? If he replaced the greatest manager why didn't he kept Phelan and Renee to have a smooth start. He would have plenty of time until next summer to find replacements.

We have almost the same squad but we play like a completely different team. So many players are underperforming that it is embarrassing. Using Rooney as the only shining positive example don't tell the story.

David Moyes has so far done way below our worst expectation but that's not the most worrying thing. His negative approach and mindset is what bother me most. It's sad to say but I don't see him change his personality and that's why he's not the right man for this job. Nothing personal against him, he's a nice bloke.


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That conclusion is too early to make. If he has not been able to make us into title contenders within the next two seasons I'll hold my hands up and agree that he should be sacked.
 
MikeUpNorth said:
Well, the implication of his retrospective "that is really good" quote is that our form has been good. But it has been midtable form.

He's obviously not happy with losing, what manager is?
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His approach is defeatist.

The standards he set for the team isn't being better than anyone else, which was Fergie's aim at all times even if he didn't always manage to do it.

I can't blame the man for being scared but it's doing us no good.
 
marjen said:
His approach is defeatist.

The standards he set for the team isn't being better than anyone else, which was Fergie's aim at all times even if he didn't always manage to do it.

I can't blame the man for being scared but it's doing us no good.
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Yup "would have taken a draw before the game" against Cardiff, was really disappointing to hear that from a Man United manager.
 
shaggy said:
Yup "would have taken a draw before the game" against Cardiff, was really disappointing to hear that from a Man United manager.
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I don't mind a bumpy ride or poor results in a transitional period and never expected us to win the league this season anyway.

I'm also aware that there are deficiensies in the squad.

But his whole approach to the job is "trying to be good enough", "trying to be up there", "trying to make things difficult for Newcastle" and I think you could see it in his team selections and his tactics as well.

He's unsure on himself, which is not particularly strange, but it's spreading to the squad. He needs to be the leader that is absolutely adamant that his own ideas will bring success eventually.

Right now he doesn't even seem to have a clear direction that he's taking us. He looks out of his depth. That's my main concern.
 
positives:
rooney's situation so far, yet to sign a new deal though
adnan's progress

negatives:
9th on the table after 14 games. 12 behind the leader. not good enough. drop silly points.
fellaini for 27 million
poor quality of football so far, no progress whatsoever.

i agree he does deserve a bit of more time to prove himself, i think the fans have been trying to be supportive of him, and honestly even the hardest hardcore united fans are not expecting moyes to win the league in his first season at OT. but champions league qualification or the 4th place has to be the minimum target now. if he cannot achieve that then i guess it should be bye bye moyes. cruel but that's what football is all about these days. failing to get into the CL for united is something like getting relegated from the league for most of the teams out there.
 
To be fair to Moyes, he outlined two areas of concern over the summer and tried to address them: central midfield and left-back. Both areas have been shockingly exposed in the few months of his tenure.
 
nahealai said:
To be fair to Moyes, he outlined two areas of concern over the summer and tried to address them: central midfield and left-back. Both areas have been shockingly exposed in the few months of his tenure.
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He admitted his first two choice were fellani and baines
 
Probably say something like it was always going to be a bumpy road, on to the next game, newcastle made it hard for us etc.
 
Not sure whether to laugh or cry. At least we made it difficult for Newcastle, so Moyes'll be happy.
 
nahealai said:
To be fair to Moyes, he outlined two areas of concern over the summer and tried to address them: central midfield and left-back. Both areas have been shockingly exposed in the few months of his tenure.
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Well Evra hasn't been that bad this season, granted he was at fault for the goal today, and his other signing he has more faith in Jones instead. Personally after the Everton game I lost any faith in him because it was the game I realised we wont make the top 4 with him at the helm.

People will say its knee jerk but when a team puts out performance after performance like we have in the premiership you have to look at the coach, the players haven't helped but he seems incapable of getting the best out of them. When the appointment was made you knew SAF looked at him and saw a lot of him in Moyes when he first started at OT maybe even being a long term option but footballs changed since then and Moyes just looks out of his depths. Footballs changed and I don't think we will see a single manager at a club for 20+ years.

Yes if we give him a bit more time 2-3 more seasons he might turn it around but is United willing to drop out of the top four just so he can find his feet? Personally a season out of it might be acceptable if we build from that but I sincerely doubt Moyes will have us competing with the likes of Barca/Madrid or Bayern... let alone the top 3 in this country.
 
- No control of the game for 90 Minutes, persist with two forwards who contribute little to us getting any foothold of the game.
- Sub like for like players on when it's clear the individuals aren't the problem.
I don't get it.
 
He's been terrible. Taken champions and taken them to utter mediocrity.
 
If we do lose as sad as it maybe, it would be only normal if the owners have a serious think about his future. I don't want to see it happen. But any other club with ambitions similar to us IMO would probably sack the manager.

I also wonder will Moyes consider his own position at the club.
 
I'm starting to think he's lost the dressing room, players just aren't trying. Simple things like showing for the ball aren't happening.
 
Randall Flagg said:
If we do lose as sad as it maybe, it would be only normal if the owners have a serious think about his future. I don't want to see it happen. But any other club with ambitions similar to us IMO would probably sack the manager.

I also wonder will Moyes consider his own position at the club.
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Don't expect him to resign. He's sitting pretty protected by an endless contract. If he leaves United where will he go??

I've always said it. The role is difficult enough, anyone signing for it should have given a 3 year contract max.
 
Randall Flagg said:
If we do lose as sad as it maybe, it would be only normal if the owners have a serious think about his future. I don't want to see it happen. But any other club with ambitions similar to us IMO would probably sack the manager.

I also wonder will Moyes consider his own position at the club.
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Hopefully. Because I can't see the Glazers paying out on a 6 year contract.
 
He's not getting through to the players. What is happening right now reminds me of what happened to AVB at Chelsea and Rafa at Inter Milan. His tenure at Old Trafford is going only 1 way. Everytime we concede the players stop giving a feck. The opposite of what used to happen under Fergie.
 
evra said:
January cannot come fast enough.
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Do you seriously believe we will sign what we need? Literally no quality is available in January, certainly not players eligible for CL.
 
I don't agree with Moyes' substitutions, Anderson should've come on but not for Clev but for Jones who is never gonna be an asset when chasing a game. That being said I don't blame Moyes for this loss. Nobody could've anticipated our defence and midfield would go to sleep and allow Newcastle to get in like they did and the referee has denied us two penalties which would've changed the game completely. I'm no Moyes apologist, I've been labelled a consumer because I've voiced my unhappiness about his reign so far but I'll only blame him where blame is due. Bad subs, yes. His fault we're losing right now? Unfair to say so.
 
He deserves all the stick he's getting. He got the job in May, he should have started naming the players he wanted instead of dicking around and we end up overpaying for a player who can't even get games in our woeful midfield.
 
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