Moyes So Far!
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He didn't play attractive, free flowing football. The defensive style is his norm.
I know - I said that. I said he is defensive by nature.
I just was also pointing out that is different to grinding out results.
This is where Sir Alex should come in and give him a bit of advice, it depends if Sir Alex doesn't want to appear to be interfering and that David is too proud to ask or take advice.
I don't think it's the latter; I'd be shocked if they weren't regularly talking to each other.
The thing is when SAF gives advice, I don't think it'd be about something like this. It'd be much more general, or a very niche specific issue that Moyes came to him with. He'd never call Moyes and say he should play more attacking football. That would be interfering. It's a very fine line.
That's a mindset thing, he thought that was what was required at Everton, but actually if he had taken the shackles off he could have achieved more. You don't know what Kenwright had asked of him. United's needs are a lot different and someone at the club has to have the balls to tell him that. Not doing so is heaping more and more pressure on the guy.
So the chairman asked him to be defensive? Come on, you cant really believe that. Moyes would have been told to take care of the football at Everton - he did so by doing what he knows.
Moyes is defensively minded - its that simple. Either he changes Utd or Utd changes him.....so far he doesnt think he needs to change.
Said he'd like to add to the squad in January if possible in today's conference.
Who though, Herrera? Cabaye? Or is he talking about Baines? It's a bad time of year to buy.
That's true. However clubs are more willing to sell in the summer.
Does he really not name teams until gameday like Rio apparently suggested?
Hard to tell what Rio means. I would think Moyes leaves it later than Fergie did - but I can't imagine he lets them read the official line-up on twitter either.
Unless there has been some massive twisting of what he actually said here - it smells like bad blood between Rio and Moyes. Not good at all. And Rio shouldn't be mouthing off about this - regardless of how he feels. He's a senior figure in the dressing room.
The time to buy was last summer - we were premiership champions, and none of our competitors were desperate for midfielders. However, that ship has sailed and sunk with the loss of all hands, so, I suppose.....
He's not got the hang of the players we've already got yet.
He should also consider that he may not be able to buy the best players around. What would they gain from joining us.
Perhaps it's better to wait until he's shown everyone that he's good enough to manage United and to be able to challenge for the PL title.
And he should do that by not signing footballers who would help him to achieve those goals.He's not got the hang of the players we've already got yet.
He should also consider that he may not be able to buy the best players around. What would they gain from joining us.
Perhaps it's better to wait until he's shown everyone that he's good enough to manage United and to be able to challenge for the PL title.
Genius.
Martinez first comment post the world cup draw was England opponents in the last 16 will be easy, not once did he say tough draw, it was positive.
That's the difference, Moyes is just too negative and scared, he lacks self belief he is Hogdson part 2. Martinez shown more than Moyes in his short career.
That's the difference, Moyes is just too negative and scared, he lacks self belief he is Hogdson part 2. Martinez shown more than Moyes in his short career.
Im not the one running this great club like a scared novice. Hes got no balls. His comment we need to make it difficult for Newcastle just epitomizes his weak nature. He has no self belief and its transferring to the team, this cautious approach.
He might have said to make sure they stay in PL. That is a priority. He does need to change as our priorities are very different.
He'd make a great motivational speaker too.
Truer words have not been spoken.
Be interesting to see who he tries to buy and who he gets. Can't see anyone of any distinction or class wanting to play for him, and why would they? Long ball, slow build up football that is unsuccessful. Even Ashley Young will want to leave soon.
Ashley Young is the most likely to leave anyway. I certainly don't want Moyes to fail, any United 'fan' who does is a joke. I just want him to show a bit of nous, a bit of fight, a set of balls and come out fighting. He seems to concentrate on our weaknesses rather than our strengths. I'd love is to start the game on the front foot for once and put the opposition under pressure from the start. Seems like an age since we've started a game right, like we should.
Not followed the thread to be honest but just to add my two cents. I think plenty of stories are being blown out of proportion, or being taken in ways that they aren't meant by those people who's careers are built on major stories.
So far today I've read that Moyes was calling Everton fans, RVP has asked for a transfer and Rio has slagged off the way he names his teams. I feel sorry for our manager actually - not only was it the biggest most strenuous job in football anyway and he had such an act to follow but he is being hunted from all directions - media, players, fans. I just hope he has the backing of the board. There's enough fans out there (the majority from what i've seen) that are backing Moyes and think the players under-performance is not just on the manager's head and Moyes, although he may be still finding his feet, is doing well considering the scrutiny.
I just hope to hell the board realise this and he isn't sacked any time soon because once you're ok that merry-go-round it's difficult to get off. Let him build his own team then judge him, not after 6 months without a substantial midfield.
So far today I've read that Moyes was calling Everton fans, RVP has asked for a transfer and Rio has slagged off the way he names his teams. I feel sorry for our manager actually - not only was it the biggest most strenuous job in football anyway and he had such an act to follow but he is being hunted from all directions - media, players, fans. I just hope he has the backing of the board. There's enough fans out there (the majority from what i've seen) that are backing Moyes and think the players under-performance is not just on the manager's head and Moyes, although he may be still finding his feet, is doing well considering the scrutiny.
I just hope to hell the board realise this and he isn't sacked any time soon because once you're ok that merry-go-round it's difficult to get off. Let him build his own team then judge him, not after 6 months without a substantial midfield.
The one big defense I can give Moyes is that we should wait until he has signed some more of his own players before we judge him, and then I remember he signed Fellaini for £30m and I get sad again
I'd like to think he was prepared for something like this, actually. He obviously hoped for a better start - and in terms of points we could've easily had just that, with a bit of flow - but was prepared for a rough ride. The board would've been prepared for it as well. Last year Fergie said that he himself would struggle, taking over a behemoth like United at this stage. That says something. I'd be very surprised if Moyes was losing his nerve - this is precisely the sort of shite he needs to battle through if he is going to make it here. It will be what Fergie tells him too, I suspect.
Let's beat Newcastle. Go on a streak. Shut 'em up for a while.
Yeah he's got no balls and he's scared. That's why he ignored Alex Fergusons advice on staff to be his own man. That's why he has been playing an 18 year old Januzaj regularly. He's playing it safe.
Agree it's not unexpected but the way I've seen some react on here and texts I've been getting from friends and family "Moyes needs to go" etc. I think people need to take a step back and realise just what's happening to the club right now.
Well said, people will pick up on something as little as saying we will make it difficult for our opponents but when he is picking attacking line-ups and talented youngsters and getting Rooney playing like he is people ignore it. I'd love for people to show me one line-up Moyes has picked that you'd look at and say "no, that teams too defensive" because he hasn't. Almost every line-up he has name has had a clear front 4/5 - the fact is some players aren't playing to their potential and at the end of the day that's not all Moyes's fault - these players are still playing the same position so why are they nowhere near what they were?
We are hearing this before every match. And rarely we are doing so. Our biggest winning streak until now is 2 games. A single time.
I think that it's time to either really go on that streak or to realize that things aren't really going well.
It's a good one. He may be dull, he may be a pragmatist, he may not be a PR guru. But a man with no stones does not take this job. He does not voluntarily succeed Sir Alex Ferguson as manager of Manchester United. Only a very crazy or a very ballsy man would do that.
Funny thing, Im reading the same sorts of complaints of Fergie in his early days in the old fanzines I have from the 80's.
Yeah, yeah. I'm allowed not to go weep in the corner, ain't I? It wasn't a prediction, it was a war cry - er, you know, an Internet forum sort of war cry.
The main difference though is that Fergie took a team who didn't won the league in more than twenty years and was on 19th place on the table. Moyes too a team who has won 13 titles in the last 20 years and finished as Champions with more than 10 points difference last season.
The situation aren't even remotely similar. If Moyes would have taken Aston Villa (a club that got a lot of trophies in the past) and was getting the same results as he has got with United, then the situation would have been similar.
Another difference is that Fergie didn't take over a club that had been managed by himself for a quarter of a century. That would be impossible. Unless he was Dr. Who or some such sort. Perhaps he was, come to think of it. Still, the point remains - or not. You're not spot on with your Villa analogy either - that is actually unfair on Fergie, as the pressure of managing United was on a whole other level even back then. We were a much larger club than Villa - huge fan base, etc.
Anyway, we've been over this enough, haven't we? The situations aren't really comparable, we all know that. Those who see similarities are probably trying to point out that it's quite common for impatient fans to be...impatient when things aren't looking too bright.
He just desperately lacks any sort of arrogance. It's like he doesn't believe in himself or the squad. Far too conservative. For all of Fergie's respect for opponents and what not, he knew full fecking well that this was his United team and you're not going to fecking beat it.
He wanted his own men to support him, rather than use the vast experience of United backroom staff. He played Janujaz because he has the talent and our widemen are in awful form.
The rest of his decisions and words are just too negative - making it hard for Newcastle - FFS and now Rio questioning him as well. The guy is not a winner, never has been and he will do the same to us.
I was at the East Stand and there were clearly quite a few people booing right at the final whistle (Unless those were Everton fans making a joke... I don't think so, though).
United should not be worrying about making it hard for Newcastle (not publicly). He should be speaking about Newcastle changing their game for United. I dislike the terms but his statements make United sound like a 'reactive' team, rather than the 'active' team, virtually every home game.
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