Moyes So Far!

[datura]

Well, I wasn't calling him a shit manager for saying stupid things. I only said that he looked lost when he spoke in those interviews, right?

He hasn't look lost at all in the interviews.

 

[Kostur]

I think that Benitez, Di Matteo and Mourihno would disagree with both you and Moyes.

Yea, and Guardiola, Heynckes would probably agree with him.

 

[Melvyn]

I think that Benitez, Di Matteo and Mourihno would disagree with both you and Moyes.



Well, I wasn't calling him a shit manager for saying stupid things. I only said that he looked lost when he spoke in those interviews, right?

Come now, I don't like a lot of what Moyes is doing, but interviews isn't one of them.

 

[Eyepopper]

People talk as if this is a championship squad. Moyes, his coaching, his management, his subs, his player transfers all are below par. How ling before it dawns he is not the right choice?

About 2 years hopefully.

We can drop you a mail when win something if you like. You can come back for the celebrations.

 

[Chesterlestreet]

I think that Benitez, Di Matteo and Mourihno would disagree with both you and Moyes.

Fair enough that - but it's clearly not what he meant. You don't set out to win the the CL by way of a huge upset. Might as well claim you don't need a single offensive player worth his salt to win the Euros - and then cite Greece's triumph as proof.

 

[Eyepopper]

Like we need to have 5-6 world class player to win UCL.
Like I would have accepted a draw before the Cardiff game.
Like, I thought we played well against Liverpool.

etc etc

PS: attack the posts, not the poster. It doesn't make you look like an Einstein if you offend a poster.

Interviewed before today's game they asked him what's the biggest thing he's learned in his time at Utd and he said he has had to learn to be very careful with the words he uses with the press because they invariably spin everything you say.

 

[Revan]

Fair enough that - but it's clearly not what he meant. You don't set out to win the the CL by way of a huge upset. Might as well claim you don't need a single offensive player worth his salt to win the Euros - and then cite Greece's triumph as proof.

3 times in 10 years is not the exception though, right? It is something that happens in a regular basis. Greece was an one off, something that probably won't happen in next 30-50 years, while teams that no-one gives a chance wins the UCL very often.

 

[AlwaysRedwood]

Yes, Moyes said we need 5 or 6 quality players to win the CL. He just didn't say they weren't in the squad, so stop bringing up that tired nonsense unless you actually use context. If you don't use the context in which it was said, you're blatantly lying to push your agenda

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[kouroux]

3 times in 10 years is not the exception though, right? It is something that happens in a regular basis. Greece was an one off, something that probably won't happen in next 30-50 years, while teams that no-one gives a chance wins the UCL very often.

I think you can go further than years to see that it doesn't happen that regularly.

 

[Ash_G]

3 times in 10 years is not the exception though, right? It is something that happens in a regular basis. Greece was an one off, something that probably won't happen in next 30-50 years, while teams that no-one gives a chance wins the UCL very often.

Tbf though both liverpool and chelsea were well off the league in the years they won it. To win the CL and challenge domestically you've got to have a top team. It's rare that average teams will win the CL like those teams were in the context of the competition they were in but very rare for an average team to win the CL and challenge for their league title.

 

[DomesticTadpole]

You're being unrealistic. He's not going anywhere, so why not get behind him. Alternatively, I hear Arsenal are pretty good these days...

I think he has needed this season to look at the players, just to see who is maybe just going through a bad patch and who really is not up to it. I think there will be a lot of changes in the summer. Liverpool 3-1 down, every cloud has a silver lining lads.

 

[Randall Flagg]

Thankfully apart from the WBA game when we had some boo's, the support at the games has been outstanding. Especially away.

I would hate our fans to replicate the Chelsea and Liverpool fans in that respect. If red cafe posters was in old Trafford we would be fecked

This isn't a dig at non match goers, as I am one too, unless you include turning up once every couple of years.

 

[Big Papi]

Winning the league with Moyes in charge this season is out of question IMO, we're about the 5th best team at the very best. Even a top four finish will be a struggle.

5th behind whom?

Why should a change of manager automatically mean we're in for a rough ride? Unless the team are actually poor? But they almost won 5 league titles in a row.

I think because Fergie had that something. He too, had an insatiable desire to win. Moyes doesn't have that yet or is afraid to show it. Disappointed with today, especially with the amount of frees we gave away in dangerous positions. Thought Rooney could hve had a second peno after Welbeck rolled the ball across the small square. He was bodychecked, where Evra got a yellow card for a lesser version of the same thing 10 minutes later.

 

[Melvyn]

I think he has needed this season to look at the players, just to see who is maybe just going through a bad patch and who really is not up to it. I think there will be a lot of changes in the summer. Liverpool 3-1 down, every cloud has a silver lining lads.

Yep that's what I think too. We saw Young and Anderson getting run outs at the start of the season while now they're on the bench so Moyes is clearly learning who the reliable players are and who needs to be moved on in the summer. It's probably why there weren't any outgoing players last summer.

 

[Chesterlestreet]

3 times in 10 years is not the exception though, right? It is something that happens in a regular basis. Greece was an one off, something that probably won't happen in next 30-50 years, while teams that no-one gives a chance wins the UCL very often.

Yes, but it's still a twisted sort of argument, ain't it? You CAN win the CL with a not-so great team, hence you don't bother to get in those world class players you seemingly lack at the moment? Moyes was more or less comparing our team to the likes of Bayern - that was his point. You can question whether he should come out and say it (because it could in theory have a detrimental effect on the players at his disposal here and now), but the statement itself is obviously true.

 

[datura]

Yes, but it's still a twisted sort of argument, ain't it? You CAN win the CL with a not-so great team, hence you don't bother to get in those world class players you seemingly lack at the moment? Moyes was more or less comparing our team to the likes of Bayern - that was his point. You can question whether he should come out and say it (because it could in theory have a detrimental effect on the players at his disposal here and now), but the statement itself is obviously true.

It could also be seen as a challenge to the players - you need to get to this level. There are a few who have the ability to become world class in the squad, but aren't yet at that stage that RvP, Rooney etc are.

 

[DLE]

I must say, Moyes is gradually growing on me. This season is a transition year (sadly), and once he has a year to assess and add to the squad next summer, I think we will be fine.

Could not agree more.

 

[Lawman]

A lot of players coming to their end of time at United Rio, Giggsy (age) Young, Anderson, Butner, Fabio, (surpluses to requirements) and players like Cleverley and Nani need to step up or move on and then Evra and Hernandez might seek football elsewhere for other reasons. That's 8-10 first team players that might change come end of the season and that will give Davie Moyes a real chance to put his stamp on this club.

 

[DomesticTadpole]

It could also be seen as a challenge to the players - you need to get to this level. There are a few who have the ability to become world class in the squad, but aren't yet at that stage that RvP, Rooney etc are.

Cleverley worries me a bit, he was looking really good but seems to have stalled. I can't make out why. He is 24 now so past the prospect stage.

 

[Chesterlestreet]

It could also be seen as a challenge to the players - you need to get to this level. There are a few who have the ability to become world class in the squad, but aren't yet at that stage that RvP, Rooney etc are.

Indeed - I don't think personally it had any detrimental effect, just saying it could be viewed in that light. I'm not too bothered with what the manager feeds the media with in general - I reckon what he tells them in private is far more important.

 

[Eyepopper]

It's definitely a sign of the times when it's called madness to suggest fans get behind a new manager but calling for him to be sacked 4 months in is pretty much expected.

If we don't win it this year I hope arsenal do, playing good football. Maybe then we'll lose a few to the arsenal forums.

 

[datura]

Cleverley worries me a bit, he was looking really good but seems to have stalled. I can't make out why. He is 24 now so past the prospect stage.

He tends to look good for passages in a game and then go missing. Generally we play at a better tempo with him in the team but he lacks authority in his game and physically can be dominated by the opposition. It appears that he's just going to be a squad player if he stays at United if he doesn't improve.

 

[Kostur]

Not sure if it's the right thread because it probably got nothing to do with Moyes, but today it seemed like our players were kicking the ball too hard. I mean, there was so much power in every pass that every other player seemed to have a problem with controlling it properly. I think that there were some problems with the pitch and that might've been a reason but seriously, what the feck. Is it only me who noticed it or could it be down to this odd camera that made it look so bad?

 

[DomesticTadpole]

He tends to look good for passages in a game and then go missing. Generally we play at a better tempo with him in the team but he lacks authority in his game and physically can be dominated by the opposition. It appears that he's just going to be a squad player if he stays at United if he doesn't improve.

He seems to have gone into his shell a bit. He used to have a little bit of an edge to his game, not scared of putting his foot in, that seems to have gone as well.

 

[datura]

It's definitely a sign of the times when it's called madness to suggest fans get behind a new manager but calling for him to be sacked 4 months in is pretty much expected.

If we don't win it this year I hope arsenal do, playing good football. Maybe then we'll lose a few to the arsenal forums.

You only have to look at the other sides supposedly challenging, all have had poor results against lower placed sides. There's a number of teams going through a transition with new managers or an influx of new payers yet to integrate into the side.

Arsenal have had few changes, the same manager, and are getting carried somewhat by Ramsey who is having a dream season so far. It shows what can be achieved with trust in the manager and I think they are the neutrals favourite this season for embracing continuity against the knee jerk reactions of many clubs and fans to adverse results.

 

[Eyepopper]

You only have to look at the other sides supposedly challenging, all have had poor results against lower placed sides. There's a number of teams going through a transition with new managers or an influx of new payers yet to integrate into the side.

Arsenal have had few changes, the same manager, and are getting carried somewhat by Ramsey who is having a dream season so far. It shows what can be achieved with trust in the manager and I think they are the neutrals favourite this season for embracing continuity against the knee jerk reactions of many clubs and fans to adverse results.

Yep. Whose the guy we had on here who militantly wanted Wenger out a couple of years ago?

Probably posts on Bluemoon now I'd say.

 

[.Rossi]

Manchester United manager David Moyes accepts the champions need to be closer to Arsenal at the top of the Barclays Premier League.
While the entertaining 2-2 draw at Tottenham was surely a good result in isolation, it leaves the Reds nine points adrift of the Gunners and in eighth spot in the division.
With Everton and Newcastle both above United and coming to Old Trafford in the next week, the opportunity is there for Moyes' side to climb the table ahead of the Christmas period.
"I think the way we are at the moment, we have to win all of our games," explained the boss to MUTV. "I feel we’ve dropped two points. In normal circumstances, coming to Spurs, and it’s been a tough game, you’d feel it was a good result.
"It was a tough game and we had to come from behind twice. Thankfully we did that, but we just couldn’t get the third goal.
"I think if you’d said to me before Leverkusen and today that we’d win in Germany and draw here you’d say: ‘Hey, they are good results and it’s not bad’. The disappointment is going back to last week when we drew at Cardiff.
"I'm concerned we're not as close as we'd like to be [to Arsenal] but it's a long season and hopefully we'll be there or thereabouts.
There are a lot of games to go. I think the Premier League is tight and we'll try to stay on the shirt-tails and put ourselves in a good position at the start of next year."
Wayne Rooney's brace ensured the Reds claimed a point and the manager is running out of superlatives to describe his in-form striker.
"A lot has been said about Wayne," he added. "Rightly so because of how well the boy has played with his assists, goals and all-round team play. He deserves people saying how well he’s doing. Maybe, at times, it was not as good for him last year as he wanted it to be, but the boy turned it around with his hard work and dedication and has got himself in a position where he is playing well, scoring regularly and getting the correct recognition for it."
Sandro's spectacular long-range effort had regained the lead for Spurs, following Kyle Walker's free-kick opener, and United were unable to snatch a winner at the end. Indeed, the champions had to defend stoutly from a number of a set-pieces in the closing stages.
"It was a wonder strike by Sandro and you cannot take that away," explained Moyes. "You can’t stop it once he’s hit it. I am just wondering why we’re giving him space and the room to hit it. Once he’s done that, nothing was going to stop it.

 

[Kraftwerker]

We need to go balls out for midfielder in January.

I'm not pinning anything on Moyes when he's being so badly let down by players who aren't good enough, especially midfield.

The unbeaten streak is impressive, but with a better midfield we'd have drawn fewer games.

 

[datura]

You can't argue with any of that interview, although Revan will probably try to.

 

[Raoul]

We will make the CL so no need to panic buy in Jan. I'd rather we get the right world class player or two in the summer.

 

[7even]

Moyes needs time and new players but he has to change his negative mid table approach. It sucks to see United playing like this. Then keeping Cleverley for 94 minutes is criminal, fecking mental to be honest. If Moyes doesn't trust Ando or whatever enough to let them play then don't put them on the bench, it's laughable to see Tom running around like a headless chicken for most of the game being everywhere and nowhere at the same time. Time to give other players a chance because this isn't good enough even if he's from the academy.


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[Kag]

You only have to look at the other sides supposedly challenging, all have had poor results against lower placed sides. There's a number of teams going through a transition with new managers or an influx of new payers yet to integrate into the side.

Arsenal have had few changes, the same manager, and are getting carried somewhat by Ramsey who is having a dream season so far. It shows what can be achieved with trust in the manager and I think they are the neutrals favourite this season for embracing continuity against the knee jerk reactions of many clubs and fans to adverse results.

I don't think there was anything kneejerk about the Arsenal supporters that wanted a fresh change. They hadn't spent money, sold their best players every year, the football was getting worse and worse and Wenger was still making the same naïve mistakes at the back.

Admittedly, things are going well. The board/Wenger finally spent money, which has worked out, they haven't sold any important players in the Summer and they've also settled on a genuinely very good defensive pairing of Mertesacker and Koscielny. It's going well now, but I wouldn't think less of any Arsenal fan that thought Wenger leaving may be a good idea. I don't really think it's wise to draw comparison to Moyes and Wenger on the basis that the latter is a proven winner at the top end of the league. I don't want Moyes to be sacked, but I don't see many calling for it either?

However, just as a general gauge of opinion. How would people feel if they woke up tomorrow morning to find that the club had infact sacked Moyes?

 

[datura]

I don't think there was anything kneejerk about the Arsenal supporters that wanted a fresh change. They hadn't spent money, sold their best players every year, the football was getting worse and worse and Wenger was still making the same naïve mistakes at the back.

Admittedly, things are going well. The board/Wenger finally spent money, which has worked out, they haven't sold any important players in the Summer and they've also settled on a genuinely very good defensive pairing of Mertesacker and Koscielny. It's going well now, but I wouldn't think less of any Arsenal fan that thought Wenger leaving may be a good idea. I don't really think it's wise to draw comparison to Moyes and Wenger on the basis that the latter is a proven winner at the top end of the league. I don't want Moyes to be sacked, but I don't see many calling for it either?

However, just as a general gauge of opinion. How would people feel if they woke up tomorrow morning to find that the club had infact sacked Moyes?

That post wasn't really about Moyes.

 

[Theon]

We will make the CL so no need to panic buy in Jan. I'd rather we get the right world class player or two in the summer.

We're 9 points behind Arsenal but before January they have to play Chelsea, City and Newcastle away.

If we can get to 5/6 points behind them in January then I think we have a chance to win the league, let alone get top 4. If Moyes can bring in a central midfielder I think we should go for it, but it depends how the league looks then.

 

[Kag]

That post wasn't really about Moyes.

Fair enough.

 

[Commadus]

Moyes prefers Valencia hard work over Nani, he would rather have Kagawa shunted to the left than play him through the middle. He prefers the crablike Cleverley to the more adventurous Anderson. He would rather not play Fabio for some unknown reason.

The guy is just too tentative - he still seems overawed. What will make him change his outlook?

 

[Eyepopper]

You can't argue with any of that interview, although Revan will probably try to.

Yep.

But for that late goal in Cardiff there'd be a very different song being sung today. Goes to show the fine margins and fickle nature of fans.

It's also worth pointing out that, while they might be shit going forward before the City game they had the tightest defence in the league.

 

[Revan]

Yep.

But for that late goal in Cardiff there'd be a very different song being sung today. Goes to show the fine margins and fickle nature of fans.

It's also worth pointing out that, while they might be shit going forward before the City game they had the tightest defence in the league.

Which to be fair had a lot to do with his approach to the game and us going ultra-defensive against a shit team instead of trying to score another few goals against them.

@datura I don't think that he said anything wrong today. Today's result wasn't bad if you take it in isolation. Despite last week's lose, Spurs are a good team.

 

[datura]

Which to be fair had a lot to do with his approach to the game and us going ultra-defensive against a shit team instead of trying to score another few goals against them.

Re Cardiff we were playing atrociously and the Giggs substitution should have won us the match. We had two excellent chances to win it. Remember that team beat City so on their day they are a good side.

 

[Eyepopper]

Which to be fair had a lot to do with his approach to the game and us going ultra-defensive against a shit team instead of trying to score another few goals against them.

@datura I don't think that he said anything wrong today. Today's result wasn't bad if you take it in isolation. Despite last week's lose, Spurs are a good team.

Yeah Moyes should have remembered to tell Evra he needs to stay awake for opposition corners.