Moyes So Far!
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I don't think our problem is a missing player, but rather it has to do with our current squad underperforming and not playing as a team. Its what separates us from Fergie's squad from last year, and Moyes needs to make it work. If he can't then whoever we buy won't matter.
How strange to concede goals in the end of the game if you defend for last 30 minutes. Almost as strange as scoring goals in the end if you attack in the last 20-30 minutes. You know, 'United being lucky in the end' during the last 20 years or so has to do with luck as much as 'Soton/Cardiff being lucky against us' this season.
I think they will learn from the mistakes of last summer and get it right. I expect us to buy two ridiculously good world class type players next summer.
I would much prefer Arsenal to win it than Liverpool or City. RAWK would implode and they would all become so intolerable at winning their first Premier League. The thought actually scares me.
It seems like we struggled to bring in players for one reason or another but I am scared that we may struggle again if hypothetically speaking, we finish outside the top four.
Yeah regardless of how you're playing you can concede a corner. That's why it's sort of important to stay awake for them.
Liverpool don't have a chance. They'll be expelled from the top four early in the new year and be back in their usual position of chasing a CL spot.
The squad is certainly under performing to some extent, but I don't think its the biggest issue and Moyes can't work miracles with them.
Ferguson got the absolute most out of this team and even that came at the expense of great football. I think its an impossible task for Moyes to try and do the same as Ferguson. There are a few players in the squad who aren't United quality and that isn't Moyes' fault.
Agree. And then comes out after the match saying we need to win games. He could have taken Smalling off and/or Cleverley, even Jones after his booking; putting on Nani, Hernandez, Anderson to give us more chance of winning (and losing). Instruct the team to get the ball down and play some football rather than clearing it and pumping balls long.
Glad to see he's said the right things atleast and it clearly reflects the fans feelings about the result. Now hopefully he'll back up what he said about winning every game by being positive with team selections and subs.
I reckon Moyes will have been surprised at just how much work needs to be done, and how short of quality we actually have in the squad.
If we're putting Anderson on to win us a game we're fecked, let's face it.
Moyes had 3 attacking players on the bench and brought them all on.
And if we're down to criticising him for not playing Fabio then we really are clutching at straws.
Moyes had 3 attacking players on the bench and brought them all on.
And if we're down to criticising him for not playing Fabio then we really are clutching at straws.
For me, the issue was that Moyes fielded an unfit man when Nani could have started. Tbh that change should have been made alot soon. I think some people may be forgetting that we did not field our strongest starting XI, rvp, Carrick and Rafael were all absent. In hindsight I don't think we performed that bad under those circumstances.
i felt today he went out of his way to make attacking subs. he couldnt have done more in that sense. and then i had to laugh when i read him being criticized for not brining on fellaini instead of hernandez! while i almost agree imagine how people would have reacted had he done that. he's in a lose, lose, lose situation.
he does need to start playing rafael though.
I would argue that it's more important to not let the other team to create chances. You know, if the team has a few chances and are attacking while you are defending, it is very possible that they'll score. Arsenal had a better approach against them (after Arsenal scored the first goal) IMO. And a better result.
It was the refs last season. RAWK has been right.
Now being serious, I think that we have comfortably the second best team in the league (behind City) and our difference in quality between us and City is less than the difference in quality between us and Chelsea/Arsenal/Liverpool.
Spurs were always going to react after recent results as well.
It's imperative we beat Everton at home though.
Can take results like this if we return to winning all our games at home.
Cardiff had 4 shots on target for the whole game, which we were winning.
We conceded a set piece, which you can concede regardless of how you're playing, Evra got his sleeping bag and pillow out and they scored as a result.
Anyone who has ever played football, at any level, is told from pretty much their first training session to stay alive on set pieces.
It's easy to say 'we should have scored more goals' maybe we should, but the reason we drew was that Evra went asleep, simple as that. Do you think he turned round to his team mates in the dressing room and said "not my fault, Wayne should have scored more goals"?
If we'd have gone for the jugular and pushed up the pitch without any consideration for the attacking threat from spurs there may have been more goals in the game. The result would probably have been the same though.
Yes - he does. And as I've said before, if he should come to prefer Smalling over Rafael on a permanent or even semi-permanent basis, he deserves a bollocking. But there's no need to assume it before it happens - Rafael has been injured and is probably not quite there yet.
Some of the criticisms he gets are simply baffling, by the way. All of a sudden Ando has been elevated to some status here - and it's used as evidence of Moyes' mediocrity that he prefers Cleverley over him. It's not exactly a choice between Pirlo and Osman, is it?
We are in decent form though...if you think 12 unbeaten is shit you're mad!
youre certainy correct. some of the criticisms are beyond what an opposition fan could come up with if trying to wind us up. the results are a concern though and i still havent seen moyes put his own stamp on the team which is what we need.
Another poor performance under him. Not convinced at all.
Again, we had one way of playing and that was Rooney to Valencia and getting balls in. Shit football.
Again, we had one way of playing and that was Rooney to Valencia and getting balls in. Shit football.
You're right, it's decent, nothing more. We're a long way off the top.
I'm one of Moyes critics, but against Spurs, it was actually a decent performance. We had Cleverly and Jones against their 100m worth midfielders.
This year will be a miracle to get the 4th place
I don't think it's a Moyes' fault, the problems are the transfers since Ronaldo gone.
In this squad, Scholes at 37 yo, would still be the best player
I don't think it's a Moyes' fault, the problems are the transfers since Ronaldo gone.
In this squad, Scholes at 37 yo, would still be the best player
I mean, a miracle? Seriously, you need to get a grip.
Miracle is a bit OTT.
We can't really blame Moyes, it's not even 6 months into the job.
Some of the blame has to pointed to SAF, we have been craving out for a midfielder for years but for whatever reason he always thought we were okay in that area.
I never understand why people always look at that statistic. You can allow five one on ones, see your opponents miss them all and end up with zero shots on target. They still had five glorious chances. Obviously that wasn't the case against Cardiff, but they were a bit of a threat.
For all that's been going on, we're two points off fourth place...
Comfortably the second best team behind city? Oh, come on. We have the worst midfield in the top 4. Rose tinted springs to mind.
It sounds more impressive than it actually is. We've won just 7 of those games.
Agree with that. Carrick is the best midfielder in the league but his partners and covers are useless.
On the other side:
- we have the best keeper in the league
- we have 3 of the top 5 - top 10 strikers in the league in RVP, Rooney and Chicha
- we have one of the two best right backs in the league in Rafael
- we have two of the top 5 central defenders in the league in Vidic and Evans and very competent backups on Jones and Smalling
- we have one of the top 5 best left backs in the league in Evra
- while unspectacular, we have two of the best wingers in the league in Valencia and Nani, though both started the season of form
- add to that Kagawa who at times look great when he plays on the hole
- possibly the best young player in the league in Januzaj
Well, I still think that we are only marginaly worse than City and much better than Chelsea. Arsenal is a bit of unknown at the moment as I have said before, they have turned from average to world-beaters in a space of a few months, but we'll see how things go. What is sure though, is that this team is hardly as bad as some people are saying and is definitely a team that should easily qualify for Champions. It has a big weakness in midfield but he had 30m and a summer to improve it. And that player who was supposed to improve that weakness can't get in the team even in place of Cleverley who has been absolutely awful.
Revan your posts normally make some sense but this is ridiculous.
There have been 4 teams who have played better than United so far
Arsenal
City
Chelsea
Liverpool
I would even argue Everton have at times, unless as before you are talking about 'the team on paper' which is a pretty poor argument, because the team without SAF was a bit of an unknown quantity.
No he isn't, not on current form.
We don't - now that Phelan's gone. feckin' Moyes and his clear-out.
We do have the greatest human in the league, though.
To respond in detail, you do have a very good keeper but its debatable whether hes the 'best in the league' as Mignolet has been top, so has Sczezny and Cech on the whole has still been very good. That said I will say DDG is comfortably on par with the best.
Strikers, no arguement, you and City have the best set.
Evans is nowhere near the top level, Vidic is, but has been a shadow of himself so far. Evra is often a liability these days nowhere near the top. Nani can barely get a game and Valencia blows between decent and poor. Again nowhere near the top.
Kagawa looks good in Europe but weak in the EPL, still flattering to deceive in our league and Uniteds system.
Janujaz needs time. Lauding him as 'possibly the best youngster' doesnt do him any favours.
Our attacking midfield outclasses yours and so does Arsenals, and whether you like it or accept it or not our and Arsenals defence as a unit is better.
Uniteds weakness is not only midfield, theres problems in defence and on the wing as well.
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