Moyes So Far!

[Feed Me]

I don't think Moyes did anything wrong. Apart from going on to the pitch himself and finishing Welbeck's chance, finishing Rooney's chance and stepping in for Evra and not defending like a spastic on the equaliser, he couldn't have done a great deal more.

You could tell from his body language on the touchline that he was frustrated as feck with the team's performance. He clearly wants better from his side.

People also shouldn't read too much into his press comments - since joining, he's constantly been quite positive, even after poor results. He's hardly going to lose the trust of his new players by trashing them, especially after taking over from a man whose modus operandi was to publicly protect his players.

 

[B20]

"it’s a tough place to come after international duty and I would have taken the result before the game.”

Roy? Is that you?

 

[coolredwine]

"it’s a tough place to come after international duty and I would have taken the result before the game.”

Roy? Is that you?

Link?

 

[RK]

feck off B20:

This has been a tough place to come for teams. We were on the back of having players on international duty so we would probably have taken a result however it came, but I would have liked it to be better. It wasn't to be.

You make him sound far more satisfied.

 

[B20]

Link?

http://www.thenational.ae/sport/football/kim-lifts-cardiff-city-to-late-draw-with-manchester-united

 

[coolredwine]

So you want to disregard all the creditable news (ala Guardian, Telegraph, The United website), and go by what some nonsensical news daily had printed. Moyes never said that!

 

[Anduin]

For a start he could stop playing Smalling at right-back. Utter shambles, he offers zero going forward and gives away stupid fouls. Not his fault though, Moyes has to deal with it. Immediately, because it's going to cost us more points.
Another thing is zonal marking, we have already conceded three stupid goals (Sturridge, Lovren, Kim) due to our non-marking and concentration lapses. That's five points dropped there due to lack of concentration, and it has to stop.

 

[Getsme]

Five possibly seven guaranteed starters out and it's all Moyes fault that we lost.
How many other teams could cope with losing that many players and go to a hostile place like Cardiff. We've been very unfortunate in that all our injuries have come at once, adding to that our fringe players have gone into hiding with the likes of Cleverly and Hernandez offering nothing to the team yesterday.

 

[B20]

and go to a hostile place like Cardiff.

They are newly promoted. This is where you pick up points on the road if you want to do anything in the league.

 

[Getsme]

They are newly promoted. This is where you pick up points on the road if you want to do anything in the league.

It's a place you don't underestimate though, look at City.
What I'm saying is we were missing possibly seven regular starters, that's a massive chunk off the team. A point isn't good enough I agree and we should be picking up three. But I'm not sure why people are blaming Moyes when you look at the circumstances behind it.

 

[Anduin]

How many other teams could cope with losing that many players and go to a hostile place like Cardiff.

They've been incredibly average yesterday. We were crap yes, but we still should've won comfortably. A couple of great moments from Campbell aside, they offered nothing all day. I don't buy this 'hostile place' argument, their footballing side just isn't very good.

 

[kouroux]

They've been incredibly average yesterday. We were crap yes, but we still should've won comfortably. A couple of great moments from Campbell aside, they offered nothing all day. I don't buy this 'hostile place' argument, their footballing side just isn't very good.

They really weren't impressive at all, didn't feel any hostility, no extra effort from them. Utd just made it too easy for them.

 

[Getsme]

They've been incredibly average yesterday. We were crap yes, but we still should've won comfortably. A couple of great moments from Campbell aside, they offered nothing all day. I don't buy this 'hostile place' argument, their footballing side just isn't very good.

I'm not arguing with that, they're not a very good team, the table doesn't lie.
What I am saying is that our team yesterday was down to the bare bones, not many, if any teams could cope with that. RVP, Vidic, Carrick, Rafael, Jones, Kagawa, those six most likely would have started and we would have won quite comfortably.
When you're down to having the team picked for you even a so called guaranteed 3 pointer becomes a hard game, especially in a ground that can create a good atmosphere.
Add to that our fringe players not turning up then it's not to hard to see why we only got one point. To me Cleverly should hang his head in shame after yesterdays performance and sadly it looks like Hernandez has lost his smile and his drive.

 

[Anduin]

I'm not arguing with that, they're not a very good team, the table doesn't lie.
What I am saying is that our team yesterday was down to the bare bones, not many, if any teams could cope with that. RVP, Vidic, Carrick, Rafael, Jones, Kagawa, those six most likely would have started and we would have won quite comfortably.
When you're down to having the team picked for you even a so called guaranteed 3 pointer becomes a hard game, especially in a ground that can create a good atmosphere.
Add to that our fringe players not turning up then it's not to hard to see why we only got one point. To me Cleverly should hang his head in shame after yesterdays performance and sadly it looks like Hernandez has lost his smile and his drive.

I can't argue with any of this, agreed. I'm still just really lived we gave up yet another lead late in the game and failed to regain it despite having a sitter to do so, it's incredibly frustrating.

 

[AlwaysRedwood]

It has nothing to do with being English, and what a manager says is not irrelevant.

They became irrelevant when we were up 2-1, Rooney blew an easy chance, Welbeck couldn't get a simple shot on goal.

Now you're going back and picking over the corpse looking for a problem that wasn't there.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

They became irrelevant when we were up 2-1, Rooney blew an easy chance, Welbeck couldn't get a simple shot on goal.

Now you're going back and picking over the corpse looking for a problem that wasn't there.

We're talking about what the manager said after the game.

A point wasn't a good result before the game either if you're suggesting the result became a disappointing one because we were ahead.

 

[alastair]

I'd be most worried about his reaction to negative incidents.

You're supposed to exude confidence and defiance, not complete anguish when you miss a chance/concede a goal.

 

[The Mitcher]

I'd be most worried about his reaction to negative incidents.

You're supposed to exude confidence and defiance, not complete anguish when you miss a chance/concede a goal.

Oh feck off, how many managers have gone "FOR feck SAKE" when a player misses, all of them. Wenger does it every single game.

 

[Red For Ever]

Note, not claiming this as my work, , would not know where to start, but I thought it was worth a smile anyway

 

[alastair]

Oh feck off, how many managers have gone "FOR feck SAKE" when a player misses, all of them. Wenger does it every single game.

Not remotely, actually.

It's like when United conceded a late goal with Ferguson at the helm. He just chewed his gum a little bit more fiercely.

 

[The Mitcher]

Not remotely, actually.

It's like when United conceded a late goal with Ferguson at the helm. He just chewed his gum a little bit more fiercely.

You're an arsenal fan, you barely watch United in comparison to us. He used to do it all the time.

 

[Brophs]

I'd be most worried about his reaction to negative incidents.

You're supposed to exude confidence and defiance, not complete anguish when you miss a chance/concede a goal.

Don't be daft. Your man throws tantrums with his water bottles and I can't remember seeing you getting too upset about it all.

 

[alastair]

Don't be daft. Your man throws tantrums with his water bottles and I can't remember seeing you getting too upset about it all.

I was massively upset at it. It gives the wrong impression. You're supposed to be a manager, not a fan. It's like when Hodgson rubbed his face in disbelief when at Liverpool. Get a grip.

 

[The Mitcher]

I was massively upset at it. It gives the wrong impression. You're supposed to be a manager, not a fan. It's like when Hodgson rubbed his face in disbelief when at Liverpool. Get a grip.

How many times has he raised his arms a loft in anger and disbelief, you wenger? SO many times, its hard to count.

 

[alastair]

How many times has he raised his arms a loft in anger and disbelief, you wenger? SO many times, its hard to count.

Jesus, this is getting over-hyped here.

I just don't think it's a good look to exude. That's it. From any manager.

 

[The Mitcher]

Jesus, this is getting over-hyped here.

I just don't think it's a good look to exude. That's it. From any manager.

Don't go spouting this bollocks, when you're own manager does it all the time. Its making you look hypocritical.

 

[alastair]

Don't go spouting this bollocks, when you're own manager does it all the time. Its making you look hypocritical.

I don't know about the powers you have at United, but I don't control Wenger with a remote.

It's possible to criticise one manager for something when your own one does it too. It's not hypocritical. I'll criticise whoever.

 

[Relevated]

Im not going to take this season shouldn't be taken into consideration, just enjoy the matches as they come and hope that by the end of the season Moyes gets everything right. Hes saying some weird shit so far though.

 

[mic.m]

Oh come on. I've seen many manager have the same reaction when a player missed a chance including Jose, Pep and Fergie. What is disappointing is him saying He'd have taken a draw. That statement is only acceptable when talking about away games at Stamfoed Bridge where we usually struggle. United have always been known for bullying promoted teams.

 

[The Mitcher]

Oh come on. I've seen many manager have the same reaction when a player missed a chance including Jose, Pep and Fergie. What is disappointing is him saying He'd have taken a draw. That statement is only acceptable when talking about away games at Stamfoed Bridge where we usually struggle. United have always been known for bullying promoted teams.

He never said that, I saw quote saying he wanted a win.

 

[Amir]

What manager wouldn't react like that to a miss like that in injury time?

 

[Commadus]

His general vibe in interviews does not provide confidence. It's always happy with a point, it was a tough game. He is still talking as if he is managing a mid table side. He won't change his attitude - he is not a winner - he may become one but how long do we persist with him. When fergie came to United he had already won titles and cups.

Successful clubs need managers with a winning mentality - its something Moyes lacks. I would rather we see him to the end of the season and go for Solksjaer.

 

[kundalini]

His general vibe in interviews does not provide confidence. It's always happy with a point, it was a tough game. He is still talking as if he is managing a mid table side. He won't change his attitude - he is not a winner - he may become one but how long do we persist with him. When fergie came to United he had already won titles and cups.

Successful clubs need managers with a winning mentality - its something Moyes lacks. I would rather we see him to the end of the season and go for Solksjaer.

I wanted Solskjaer to replace Sir Alex. I must admit I thought Moyes would adapt to United, retain much of the coaching staff, use the same rotation policy that Ferguson used, attacking substitutions, attacking fullbacks, attempt to play decent football at least some of the time. Perhaps it should have been obvious that he would be safety first. The ridiculous thing is that we are as poor defensively as we were in previous seasons. We've conceded 3 goals from corners and now one from a wide freekick. We keep giving away stupid freekicks in dangerous positions. Stoke scored from a careless foul by Jones on the edge of our box. Now Smalling invites trouble when under no pressure to make a challenge.

I think Moyes will get 3 years to make a case for himself; right now it doesn't look like he will deliver. This is a squad that got 89 points in both the last two seasons despite serious injury problems the year City won the title. In the summer I imagine we will see some frantic transfer moves. The Fellaini signing suggests not all of them will be a success.

 

[Chesterlestreet]

Moyes can't be blamed for Smalling giving away a foolish free kick, Evra switching off completely or Rooney fecking up a dead sitter. We could've won that match 3-1 easily. Small margins, as they say. I don't think Moyes' subs were remotely negative either. Both Giggs and Welbeck made us look more dangerous going forward, not the other way around.

Still, it was NOT a great performance - but without Carrick, Vidic, Rafael and RVP I honestly hadn't expected a great performance either. We struggle at the moment. Partly, though, we struggle in the same way we struggled during Fergie's last seasons: Lack of fluidity and movement, not being capable of killing off matches we have in the bag - the similarities are many, actually. We usually had a flow in the league under Fergie, though - and were rarely punished for our sins. That this would be different under a new manager was glaringly obvious, however. We need to play better to gain the points, simply put. Our players need to step up - it's very easy to just lay the whole thing on Moyes but he can't do the actual attacking and defending for them.

 

[::sonny::]

Moyes>Hector Cuper

 

[Sky1981]

His general vibe in interviews does not provide confidence. It's always happy with a point, it was a tough game. He is still talking as if he is managing a mid table side. He won't change his attitude - he is not a winner - he may become one but how long do we persist with him. When fergie came to United he had already won titles and cups.

Successful clubs need managers with a winning mentality - its something Moyes lacks. I would rather we see him to the end of the season and go for Solksjaer.

He never won anything, how can he knows what it feels to win

 

[Sky1981]

Moyes can't be blamed for Smalling giving away a foolish free kick, Evra switching off completely or Rooney fecking up a dead sitter. We could've won that match 3-1 easily. Small margins, as they say. I don't think Moyes' subs were remotely negative either. Both Giggs and Welbeck made us look more dangerous going forward, not the other way around.

Still, it was NOT a great performance - but without Carrick, Vidic, Rafael and RVP I honestly hadn't expected a great performance either. We struggle at the moment. Partly, though, we struggle in the same way we struggled during Fergie's last seasons: Lack of fluidity and movement, not being capable of killing off matches we have in the bag - the similarities are many, actually. We usually had a flow in the league under Fergie, though - and were rarely punished for our sins. That this would be different under a new manager was glaringly obvious, however. We need to play better to gain the points, simply put. Our players need to step up - it's very easy to just lay the whole thing on Moyes but he can't do the actual attacking and defending for them.

based on that, no matter how dross the teams play, it's never the managers' fault.

What could possibly fall under a manager's fault?

 

[Getsme]

based on that, no matter how dross the teams play, it's never the managers' fault.

What could possibly fall under a manager's fault?

So when is it the players fault?
It's the managers fault if he makes the wrong subs, picks the wrong formation, wrong tactics, plus many other reasons. Not for players making silly mistakes though.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

So when is it the players fault?
It's the managers fault if he makes the wrong subs, picks the wrong formation, wrong tactics, plus many other reasons. Not for players making silly mistakes though.

Why does it have to one or the others fault?

When results go wrong, blame is always shared. But the manager will always be responsible for most of it at the end of the day, especially if he's given a chance to control things.

 

[MoneyMay]

based on that, no matter how dross the teams play, it's never the managers' fault.

What could possibly fall under a manager's fault?

You have completely taken his point out of context. He was referring to the players, not the manager. The manager is to blame for poor tactics. Moyes is to blame for us playing a low-block for the majority of the second half and showing no little attacking motivation. But the manager isn't to blame for Evra, Smalling, and Rooney's incompetence towards the end. Moyes doesn't say "Oh right, Evra, Smalling, and Rooney, screw this game up for us, please".

Why does it have to one or the others fault?


When results go wrong, blame is always shared. But the manager will always be responsible for most of it at the end of the day, especially if he's given a chance to control things.

This.