Defending and organisation/shape is part of our "display". Otherwise arsenal have been brilliant these last 8 years.
Moyes So Far!
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Really?
With Sir Alex and Sir Bobby as directors Moyes would have a good chance of keeping the job even if he failed to finish in the top 4.
Like I said our defending when losing the ball with the opposition shifting it forward quickly was very poor. However we played very well in the second half and in the end we dominated the ball and ended up scoring 2 in quick succession due to the amount of pressure we put on them. There was a lot of positives in that game and signs that we were starting to wake up a bit after out docile start to the season.
Not making the top 4 is a serious threat.
People who think we are guaranteed the spot are very silly.
Between City, Chelsea, Arsenal, Tottenham, Liverpool, Utd 2 big teams are going to miss out.
Unless we stop dropping silly points and finishing off games we could well miss out.
I do think though we will get it together, but it's definitely not a shoe in.
People who think we are guaranteed the spot are very silly.
Between City, Chelsea, Arsenal, Tottenham, Liverpool, Utd 2 big teams are going to miss out.
Unless we stop dropping silly points and finishing off games we could well miss out.
I do think though we will get it together, but it's definitely not a shoe in.
There you go.
I agree with you, but at the moment we need to get some momentum going (which we already have) and at least for me, it's more about the results than our playing style. Moyes now seems to have assessed the squad and leaves out certain players a lot more, but it has already cost us and we are some way behind. For now, I admit to take three ugly points any day of the week, but obviously there has to be some improvement in our style of play as well. 'Eeking out' another result against Fulham and probably also in Spain midweek will give the team even more confidence, and IMHO there were signs of improvement (in our play) over the last couple of games.
Moyes is on fire right now!!!
What's his longest unbeaten run at Everton?
What's his longest unbeaten run at Everton?
Liverpool have started well this year, and while nobody is expecting them to go all the way, they could quietly stick around the top.
Suarez/Sturridge are in immense form, and being supplied by Coutinho could easily fire them into the top 4 IMO.
As much as we all love to laugh at Liverpool they should not be taken lightly.
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Sadly, I don't see us climbing the table this weekend, but things above us should certainly tighten up. Hopefully draws all round.
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Sadly, I don't see us climbing the table this weekend, but things above us should certainly tighten up. Hopefully draws all round.
Come St. Stephen's Day, we'll be within a game from the top of the table. Of that I have no doubt.
Please, please, please can someone cobble together a few DVDs showing Moyes and his coaches the best 2 or 3 games from every one of our players. That way he can see their skills and potential before we lose some good ones. Alternatively, can we get RM back so he can attempt to stop Moyes et al from doing something foolish.
Nothing less than challenging for the league and qualifying for the knock out stages of the CL should be acceptable.
Lowering our expectations to accommodate David Moyes could be disastrous. If he didn't think our squad was good enough he had the summer to rectify matters. He sat on his hands, and has to live or die with that.
Lowering our expectations to accommodate David Moyes could be disastrous. If he didn't think our squad was good enough he had the summer to rectify matters. He sat on his hands, and has to live or die with that.
We wouldn't be lowering them forever, we'd be lowering them for a season or two to let him settle.
Settle for what? The Europa League two years running?
Fall out that door and it's harder to walk back in. He MUST maintain the momentum Ferguson created otherwise we get overtaken it is as simple as that. Will's right, standards cannot be lowered as it's David Moyes in the dugout and not Jose Mourinho. Those standards are what maintains the success.
Moyes needs another transfer window and a season to look at where it gets us before he can be properly assessed. I always thought two seasons was fair to see how the team is shaping up. If he isn't successful in the next 2-3 years I can still see him staying simply because Ferguson has his back in the boardroom, something I wouldn't be comfortable with....just like I was never comfortable with the fact he was allowed to choose his successor in the first place.
Best start of any Manchester United manager, ever.
He's doing alright.
He's doing alright.
That post really is in a turd like format. Sort it out Irwin.
NOOOOOO! Imagine young and bebe being played every week due to those dvds. Whats wrong with you?
So I dreamt last night that Moyes had been sacked and replaced by TV's Kevin Whately (of Inspector Morse/Lewis fame), which was a disaster.
So best keep supporting Moyes in my view.
So best keep supporting Moyes in my view.
Looking forward to seeing how he approaches tomorrow's fixture, what with Sociedad midweek and Arsenal next weekend.
You might wonder if Moyes spent most of his time watching DVDs of united players in an attempt to figure out how to stop them playing. Totally different analysis as the one that gets them going as individuals and indeed as a complete unit.
Just watching The Manager's Press Conference and Moyes looks a lot more confident now than he did even a few weeks ago. To me, that's positive. As I've said before, up until recently Moyes has seemed nervous and chose what he thought was the safe option too much going with the big names regardless of form. However, recently he's shown more of a willingness to try his own thing, to bring in those who have earned it on form not on reputation and its yielded results. I hope that encourages him to persist with a more positive approach.
What do you mean "To me, that's positive"? Do you think the majority on here would prefer it if he seemed more nervous and scared?
The highlighted part is quoted correctly.
I heard Saha saying something to the effect "Moyes was tactically the best manager he played under". Sir Alex gave him the "best advice" and "Tigana was the best trainer".
It's weird because when Moyes was first announced as our manager, people were saying fourth would represent a good season and I found that crazy. I couldn't see why standards and expectations should be lowered, I felt that Moyes should be raising his, and not the other way around.
Fast forward 6 months and I've fallen into the same way of thinking. I've seriously had to lower my expectations for this season otherwise I think I'd be expecting something that's unlikely to happen. I think 4th is a good aim for now and don't expect us to be in any title race come the end of the season. Not only that, I don't hold too many hopes of us playing all that well. If we eke out a few ugly wins I wouldn't moan too much as I feel that given the position we're in, all that matters atm is getting the results.
Looks like AVB thinks Moyes should be getting more criticism:
“For the champions of England to be sitting in their position, there has not been a lot of drama, to be fair. I was involved in another club before and there was more drama surrounding my results than Man United’s results.”
Without making too much of it (because he does say he expect us to get back up there) his comments seem like the equivalent of a player waving an imaginary card signalling for the ref to book an opposition player. He's almost telling the media we (Moyes) aren't being criticised enough. Seems quite childish.
“For the champions of England to be sitting in their position, there has not been a lot of drama, to be fair. I was involved in another club before and there was more drama surrounding my results than Man United’s results.”
Without making too much of it (because he does say he expect us to get back up there) his comments seem like the equivalent of a player waving an imaginary card signalling for the ref to book an opposition player. He's almost telling the media we (Moyes) aren't being criticised enough. Seems quite childish.
Yeah, seems a bit random. Unless he was asked explicitly about it. It's true in one sense that the uproar could have been greater. But he must realize that Moyes' situation isn't comparable to his at Chelsea.
Maybe he's just trying to highlight how ridiculous the uproar was regarding him at Chelsea by comparing the two situations.
Fairly nonsensical comments. I can sympathise, though, given how out of their way the press seemed to go to relish his failure at Chelsea. But it was that response which was disproportionate, not the lack of drama about Moyes. Everyone with half a braincell would have expected a bumpy ride in Fergie's successor's first season.
Most balanced and level headed post I've seen all day. Really, it ought to go without saying that whoever took the helm was going to need the patience of the fans for the duration of the inevitable difficulties that any new manager would face during this transitional period. Although mixed, the reaction in general has thus far, greatly disappointed me.
Aye, it does come across more like he's asking why someone else isn't getting the, often unfair, treatment he got after leaving Chelsea.
To be fair there has been a number of articles giving Moyes unnecessary stick so he's not exactly got off lightly.
True, but in general the press have actually been reasonably level-headed about it. One or two overreactions and a handful of gleeful scouse pundits, but for the most part there hasn't been too much hand-wringing. The internet fanbase, for me, have been more disappointing than the media.
Yep. A lot of people talk a good game about being patient with Moyes but then the one thing they don't seem to want to give him or the players is time. If the players are struggling now it's because they're not good enough. If Moyes isn't winning matches now then he has to buy lots of players in January. If the squad isn't already doing the job then it needs a complete overhaul.
The fact is that in football time is as likely to solve a problem as hirings and firings are. Our players aren't poor at all, they're excellent. Plenty of them are playing excellently this season already. But the team as a whole was always going to take some time to find its feet under a new boss. Potentially a lot of time. Just because you aren't actually calling for Moyes to be sacked doesn't mean you're getting behind him.
The thing is, the media smell blood when it comes to Chelsea. They have a trigger happy owner that's sacked numerous top managers to date. We're a completely different machine though, the media are aware that no matter what they say, Moyes will be given all of the time in the world.
AVB chose to go to a club known for being trigger happy. He shouldn't be expecting the same level of anticipation regarding Moyes. Chelsea are the antithesis of everything we stand for in that regard. If anything I don't think Moyes has gotten an easy ride, there has been a lot of media scrutiny over everything he has done so far. The only difference is that they're probably not expecting him to be sacked, whereas with AVB at Chelsea it was inevitable because of the nature of the club.
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