I can guarantee, even as a perfect ignoramus, that Moyes knew more about any United player than any of us, in terms of valuable and relevant information, years before he got the job. But there is obviously a difference between facing a player as the manager of the opponent - and knowing how to best use the same player as his own manager. It's pretty bloody obvious, or so one would think
Moyes So Far!
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and that is understandable but you dont find other managers making comments to the media like they are discovering new aspects about the team every day. It not very good PR and just sounds like a pure excuse made by him. I still dont know why he needed people to tell him that hernandez has good movement or that kagawa is a much better player than he has shown so far in the limited time under moyes.
How hard is it for you to argue without resorting to insults? Let me walk you through it. The post you are quoting is my reply to revan, REVAN! It has nothing to do with my reply to you seeing as you and REVAN are two DIFFERENT posters. Do you understand this? Or should I explain it again?
I was asking about your ability in comprehension becuase you don't seem to know the difference between what Moyes said and what you are insinuating. Again, the post to Raven was about the same subject we were discussing and was pretty relevant. You make out that he walked in on day one like some sort of a Scottish Tellytubby and didn't know shit about our players.
Quick, sack all the coaches. Moyes should be able to do it all himself.
What about Scouts? Should he just play FM or FIFA and he'd know all about every player just like you.
Except that Fabio is better than Buttner
But yeah, that's for sure that he knows much more than outsiders, and his interview was taken out of context so much that some people have start believing that Moyes doesn't know anything about Chicha/Kagawa.
What does it matter what he said? Him finding new aspects about the team is absolutely correct anyway.
People said that Kagawa is amazing and Hernandez has great movements to him. He has seen those players play before but not regularly. Now they are his players and he needs a bit of time to fully understand how good they are and what they are their weaknesses. It's not FM when you can only look at stats and know which players are good and not. We fans think that we know exactly about all the players we have seen in any league but it's a bit more difficult in real life.
Yest, similar subject but entirely different point. Because it was in response to what revan said not what moyes said. Moyes quotes had no direct relation to my response to revan.
1)Thats why am getting annoyed as he keeps on acting like he doesnt know the basics about our players when he should so how am I making him a scottish tellytubby?
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Is this suppose to be an insult? Just for your information, the man you worship uses or has used fm database for scouting purposes. So a tad ironic.Yest, similar subject but entirely different point. Because it was in response to what revan said not what moyes said. Moyes quotes had no direct relation to my response to revan.
1)Thats why am getting annoyed as he keeps on acting like he doesnt know the basics about our players when he should so how am I making him a scottish tellytubby?
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How do you think he doesn't know the basics of our players then?
Except that Fabio is better than Buttner
But yeah, that's for sure that he knows much more than outsiders, and his interview was taken out of context so much that some people have start believing that Moyes doesn't know anything about Chicha/Kagawa.
What does it matter what he said? Him finding new aspects about the team is absolutely correct anyway.
People said that Kagawa is amazing and Hernandez has great movements to him. He has seen those players play before but not regularly. Now they are his players and he needs a bit of time to fully understand how good they are and what they are their weaknesses. It's not FM when you can only look at stats and know which players are good and not. We fans think that we know exactly about all the players we have seen in any league but it's a bit more difficult in real life.
Because I like to think of our manager being in control and not learning as he goes.Comments like this also make me question some of his decisions regarding team selection even more as they dont make sense in the first place. It doesnt matter that much but its just a small annoyance I have with him as it doesnt help him at all even if its not true.
Where did I say that? Irwin, instead of scoring silly points if you actually try debating or talking it would make the whole process so much more enjoyable. Revan disagrees just as much as you but I feel like I can have a reasonable chat with him unlike you.
Apology accepted for the fm slight.
Except that Fabio is better than Buttner
Hehe - yeah, except for that.
The manager of United should know everything about his players from day and learn no more. To admit learning while you go on is a clear sign of incompetence.
This was my first post regarding moyes, now this falls in line with his interview and the subsequent comments he has made so far. I made that post because revan said he knows the basics of our players while I was suggesting he should know more than the basics. He has since elaborated so I understand from which point of view he is coming from.
I asked, "How do you think he doesn't know the basics of our players then?"
To which you replied.
Your last post to me. It's exactly what you said. Remember?
To which you replied.
Yest, similar subject but entirely different point. Because it was in response to what revan said not what moyes said. Moyes quotes had no direct relation to my response to revan.
1)Thats why am getting annoyed as he keeps on acting like he doesnt know the basics about our players when he should so how am I making him a scottish tellytubby?
2)
Your last post to me. It's exactly what you said. Remember?
Okay, my bad that was worded badly as I lost interest due to the petty insults. I have explained what I was trying to say in the post above that anyway.
Yeah, you're trying to say he doesn't know the basics on the back of that comment.
What I'm saying is that a players precise movements, off the shoulder play, pacing and timing of runs isn't the basics. It't the kind of very in depth analysis his coaching team will be telling him and what he'd be learning daily about his players.
My original comment was that I was getting annoyed with him saying he is learning about the players. Like I said that was worded poorly due to you saying that I was comparing him to a scottish tellietubby. Its kind of hard to respond to comments like that seriously.
Okay, but the fact that hernandez has good movement, plays off the last man and is an exception finisher is kind of common knowledge though. Or feels that way to me. Now, like you said this could be his way off complementing hernandez but imo it was poorly worded inlight of the previous comments he has made..
Like I said its just something I find annoying. Not a major criticism of his reign so far.
I hope we've both learned something from this!
I've learned not to insult people and you've learned that my wife stopped watching football after Blackburns demise (she liked Sutton). Honestly though, people jumping on comments like that happens here all the time, and it's a terrible thing to be criticising someone we should be supporting and does get on my nerved.
We'll move on!
And yet they'd scored the last goal before the red card and were having a free run at our defence which lead to the red card. And then we didn't touch the ball for the rest of the game..
I hope we've both learned something from this!
I've learned not to insult people and you've learned that my wife stopped watching football after Blackburns demise (she liked Sutton). Honestly though, people jumping on comments like that happens here all the time, and it's a terrible thing to be criticising someone we should be supporting and does get on my nerved.
We'll move on!
Fair enough. Just to reiterate am not criticizing, just hoping he stops making comments like these as it doesn't help his cause. Yeah I know your intentions are good and its more preferable to those "fans" who continuously moan about the team regardless of whether it is needed or not.Because we had a man sent off, yes.
We're on a six game unbeaten run. The form is definitely picking up. Good signs.
As long as we salvage a top four spot this season then I suppose the right thing to do is give Moyes time.
If we're out of the top four then there's really no excuse, he's got to go.
If we're out of the top four then there's really no excuse, he's got to go.
Does that somehow mean we were the better team in the 2nd half at OT?
Really? Given what happened with Arsenal and Spurs during the summer I think we could well finish outside of the top 4 and still have a good season. As long as we've had a go and show some good form at some point I won't be too disheartened with 5th.
I was thinking yesterday, how some fans would view things if we just about finished outside the top four, but won the FA cup and the Capital One Cup. I'd say in that case, there would be an excuse to give him more time in a lot of people's eyes.
What if we finished outside the top 4 and won the Champions League?
You might just have to suck it up.
For feck's sake, lads. There's zero chance of us finishing outside the top four.
Zero.
Zero.
From every angle I can possibly imagine, Man Utd failing to qualify for the a CL for first time since 1995 (when you had to win a league to qualify) would be a complete and utter disaster.
I am not saying this from a spoilt fan point of view.
Really? Finishing outside the top 4 would be a huge blow. You lose the money, you lose the champions league, you lose the ability to attract the best players, and as per Liverpool it can be a real struggle to get back in there.
It's hard to see how it'll go. Another couple of months will tell us.
You can't see Chelsea and City not being top 4, Arsenal have made it for about 20years in a row and until recently have been going great guns, and Tottenham have spent £100m.
Will be a roller coaster I think, some weeks us thinking "Moyes out", others thinking we're alright again!
But you are though. We have no automatic right to be in the CL, and considering every other team challenging for the 4 spots has strengthened, two of them far more than we could have predicted, I'd hardly consider it a failure if we were pipped to the post. If we finish 10 points adrift or something then you might have a point, but a couple of points between us and 4th, and it being tight at the top, wouldn't be the end of the world.
That'd work too.
Even if we finish outside the top four and don't win anything, Moyes isn't going anywhere..its not the United way. He'll be given more cash, sweep out a number of the team and be given the chance to do his own thing.
I don't think there's very much chance of us finishing outside of the top 4, but I don't think there's any chance of Moyes keeping the job if we do. The only exception would be if we won the Champions League in the process.
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Don't play dumb. We we're looking good to win the tie. That suggests there wasn't much between the two teams whichever way you lean. They certainly weren't a level ahead. So the idea ( which I was responding to) that it has to take ages to match them is wrong because we're already very good. It's more to do with making the right decisions and doing good work than some 10 year plan.
Beat Fulham and Arsenal and we have left the shaky start behind us IMO. Depending on the Arsenal v Liverpool game at the weekend we could be right behind the Gunners after next weekend. Everton are playing Tottenham, so 2/3 points dropped for one/either side. Chelsea are playing Newcastle who are capable to cause the Blues trouble, only City will beat Norwich convincingly this weekend IMO. So in short, beat Fulham and we will have gained some ground on at least two of the teams sitting above us in the table, ideally (not taking City into account) even four.
If he fails for a prolonged period he'll be out. The united way won't suddenly become the same as the Chelsea way but if we feel it's not working out with Moyes well sack him sooner than people think IMO. We're not going stand by the wrong manager for 3 or 4 years, noway. It's not the same thing as fergie either. He never had such a a fantastic squad at his disposal. I think Moyes will be given the first season to bed in and the time he gets after that depends on what potential his team is showing.
The way well leave our shakes start behind is by stopping the shakey football. We beat stoke but it was a horrific display. We defended like absolute clowns. We can eek out another result against Fulham and results are important but if we are to really push on it's about getting the football right.
I don't know about you guys, but I'm feeling the Moyes now.
I agree about the defending but this has become popular opinion for some reason. We actually played quite well and probably played the most pressing, attacking football we've done all season. We had 67% possession, 19 shots, 5 on target and 3 goals. I watched that game and was astonished that people thought we played terribly.
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