I've got this idea in my head that Valencia is going to transition to right back as he ages. Think he'll be useful for a few more years yet.
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I've got this idea in my head that Valencia is going to transition to right back as he ages. Think he'll be useful for a few more years yet.
He looked a great option Vs Stoke. Those overlapping runs created loads of space and were crucial in opening Stoke up for the goals.
The more I read of Fergie's book, the more I grow convinced that Moyes will deliver. I am totally behind him right now.
Agree with this. A good midfielder to partner Carrick, another one to be his backup and his eventual succesor and a left back/Fabio to replace Evra and I think we would have as a good squad as any other team in Europe.
The last line is spot on IMO. Especially the midfield part.
We need a £100 million spend. Two new CM's, a left back and possibly a new winger/attacking player if Nani doesn't step up. Morrison would have been nice to have available right now 
We need a £100 million spend. Two new CM's, a left back and possibly a new winger/attacking player if Nani doesn't step up. Morrison would have been nice to have available right now
That sounds like something off Bluemoon ffs.
He should have basic ideas about the team, I am just a casual fan but can tell you the playing strengths of each player in the first team squad and their playing styles. Something moyes by his own admission is struggling to do, this shouldnt be a learn as you go trial for all our players. He doesnt need to try every single player before realziing who is good for the team or not, after seven years in the pl he should know their style by now.
And winning 4-0 has nothing to do with this.
I see what you are saying mate. I was mainly addressing the concerns of some supporters who believe this coming transfer window is a deal-breaker yet fail to name a player or two who would actually correct our shortcomings.
Are you honestly saying that he had no clue about Hernandez and you're taking that comment about people telling him about his movement at face value?
feck me the levels of stupidity in this forum are gone stratospheric this year.
He's right about the WC summer though and the impact that could have on next summers transfer attempts. We seen how much of a spanner one young Spaniard being at the U21's was in the works, imagine all the senior players being gone!!
I'm not big in naming players from the continent. I don't watch nearly enough football to do that accurately, but rather I'll wait for firm rumours and then look up the player. Surely getting a decent flipping midfielder can't be that bloody difficult.
Well it's true if we are to compete with Bayern and Barca, and they'd have to be the right players (no more Fellaini's) As other people have said it's probably going to take 2 or 3 years - which is why it's vital we get top 4 this year so we don't fall even further behind.
Oh I agree with both of you. However, we have to remember that the selling clubs could be as unwilling to sell during a WC year to see a rise in player value as we are in need of getting deals done to avoid inflated rates.
So with that in mind, who are these players who could fit in and improve us and are willing to move the coming window?
But they are the top two teams and it will take a lot more than just two to 3 years spending 100 million pounds on players who may not actually take us to that level. Fellaini hasn't even played a full season yet, and he's a failure? This is why I'm glad the club isn't run by people like you.
It could be a player at 5 million or it could be a player at 45 million. The value and the amount of money spent is arbitrary. Look what someone like Hernandez costs, or a Michu and then look at the amount of strikers going for 20+ million who aren't half as good.
I get a feeling that a lot of people won't be happy unless we spend a lot of money.
I get a feeling that a lot of people won't be happy unless we spend a lot of money.
Not so long back bayern and United were about at the same level. In fact we were better than them in the tie where we went out to the robben goal. Since then, they refined their system and made some cracking signing, spending big on the likes of Martinez and gotze along the way, and are now much better. So it doesn't take that much. We're only going to match them nice again by strengthening our system, improving our current players and buying real quality just like they did.
Indeed, it took Bayern YEARS to get this good. So I can't see how it can take us half of that time to get as good as they are now.
They overpaid for Martinez because of some strange tax in Spain, the actual buyout clause wasn't that big, and Goetze wasn't a big buy either in terms of money.
Fellaini isn't a top player no. You don't think our midfield needs a serious injection of quality? Baines or Shaw will cost £15-20 million, a couple of quality CM's will cost £50-60 million if not more. £100 million spread over 2-3 years shouldn't exactly be a huge deal for a club our size?
It's the managements job to find those players. They're out there and they're responsible for signing them up.
Next summer will indeed be a big one for Moyes given how poorly the last one went.
They were both around our record transfer fee ( more in Martinez case). Anyway my point wasn't that we necessarily needed to spend big, rather than we have to buy quality to match those teams.
You see us as a long way away from them. I don't I see us as a few players and a tweeked system away from them. Maybe a season or two with the right additions.
Quality over cost, and if we need to spend big then pull the trigger.
In fairness to the owners, they probably had reservations about Fellaini at the price we paid, but the manager wanted and they sanctioned the money. I'd say despite all the shit this summer gone, that's a good sign to take from it.
I didn't say he was a top player, don't put words in my mouth. Nor did I say anything that the midfield needed strengthening. Shaw and Baines will cost a LOT more than 15-20 mill, nor will the top mids cost THAT much. If you seriously think making a world class team is that bloody simple then you are the one who is deluded rather than me - which you were insinuating.
Spending big has gotten City and Madrid nowhere these last seasons. It took Chelsea ages. It never works long term.
That's a very good point. Fergie always said the owners backed him whenever he wanted, I don't think anyone believed him but hte purchase of Fellaini for silly money seems to support this.
It's always about quality imo. And if that happens to cost a lot then so be it.
They were at our level just a few years back. You seem to forget that we're already a quality side that has won titles consistently over the years. It'd that extra level we need to get to that great sides attain. We're not starting from zero.
Why should I give him benefit of the doubt if he is stupid enough to make these statements? And its not just about hernandez, he has made similar statements about kagawa and thiago.And no, what I was getting annoyed at was people using the he is learning about his players as an excuse to defend him.
Were we feck. We got outplayed for 90 minutes in Munich and couldn't string 2 passes together all night. We surrendered meekly in the 2nd half at OT, they were the better team for 3/4 of the tie.
It worked for us when we consistently spent big and occasionally broke British transfer records on the likes of Ferdinand, Rooney and veron. It's worked for bayern of late.
Spending big is neither a guarantee for success nor a recipe for failturr, it depends on what you spend on and how well you do other things (coaching, tactics, stability) to compliment it (or for it to compliment)
We were smashing them at old Trafford till the sending off. Our wide players were tearing their fullbacks to shreds.
? You're pretty strange. Two/three years time we could have De Gea, Rafael, two of Jones/Evans/Smalling, Baines/Shaw, couple of (hopefully) quality CMs, Januzaj, Nani, Zaha, RvP/Rooney. Looks like a potential world class side IMO if our CB's progress as we hope and Nani picks up his form. Kagawa looks doomed.
And no, what I was getting annoyed at was people using the he is learning about his players as an excuse to defend him.
Stupid enough to make these statements indeed. Did you ever hear of a figure of speech, or using something like what he said about Hernandez as a way of complimenting the player. At the time he said that I was online and I literally couldn't believe that morons here were taking it at face value and making something out of it.
My wife knows Hernandez has good movement and she hasn't watched football since Blackburn won the league. It's just another one of the many retarded complaints that people are creating to make a stick to beat our new manager with.
Also, his statement about Thiago was nothing like that. He is reported as saying that Thiago mightn't be strong enough for the premier league. We don't know if he said it at all, it's not been disproven, but don't let that stop you making a fool out of yourself by using it as part of your anti-Moyes agenda.
What did he say about Kagawa?
So just because I dont think everything he is doing is right, it means I have an agenda against him?
No, because you are using bullshit like the complimentary comment he made off the cuff about Hernandez and trying to twist it into him not having a clue about his players.
That reeks of agenda.
Aye, I'd say so too. Add what he ended up costing to the fact that Moyes still keeps talking about getting "world class" players in - and you have yourself a very unlikely scenario if it should turn out that the Glazers only gave Dave roughly thirty mill and he blew it all on a squad player. It doesn't add up, simply put. We have money to spend, that surely is a premise here.
I personally think that Woody needs to lose any idea he might have about "value", though. We need to cough up whatever is required to get certain players. We might end up paying at least what Arsenal paid for Özil in order to land a "top, top" midfielder. And we need to do just that. I hope the people involved realize this. We can aim for value and bargains elsewhere - but in the CM department we should just break the proverbial bank and be done with it. If there's a chance for us to sign, say, Gündogan for forty plus million - do it. Don't feck around. Just sign the check.
Well he better learn how to give compliments then and this is what he said recently. "In many ways I am still getting to know some of the players." So my "agenda" as you call it is perfectly in line with his own comments. Infact, look at the number of posts you have in this thread and compare it to mine and it will become obvious who has the agenda.
He has basic ideas of what they can do. Him saying that he is learning about them IMO is more that he now is working with them and is learning in details their strenght and weaknesses. He surely knows that Hernandez is a fast goal poacher and Kagawa is good at short passing, but it is hard to entirely know them without working with them.
I would expect our manager to have more than a basic idea about the team seeing as he is from the same league and am assuming used to analyze our team before playing them. All of this just seems like transferring blame.
How you can align this...
...to this is pretty beyond me.Moyes said:
MJJ said:
Getting to know players now equals not knowing the playing strengths and styles?
Are you struggling with comprehension?
And he surely has. But it's still isn't enough to entirely know the players. It happens almost everytime a new manager comes to a club that some players who have been playing good play less good for a certain period of time, until the manager know exactly them and suit the game to them.
How would he be transferring blame whilst talking about a player after he scored? Agenda!
How is saying he's still getting to know players him not having any more than a basic idea? Agenda!
A players precise style of movement, timing, adjustment is something that a coach will know about his own players much more than oppo managers will know.
How hard is it for you to argue without resorting to insults? Let me walk you through it. The post you are quoting is my reply to revan, REVAN! It has nothing to do with my reply to you seeing as you and REVAN are two DIFFERENT posters. Do you understand this? Or should I explain it again?- Status