Moyes So Far!
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Moyes will never attack.
Throw's 18 year old winger into Utd first team.
Given time, and a few transfer windows imagine the possibilities.
Throw's 18 year old winger into Utd first team.
Given time, and a few transfer windows imagine the possibilities.
Its a nice idea but I think it is probably a bit naive to think this way. Not that anyone was expecting too much straight away, but he cant have had the pressure of any expectation at all lifted from him. He must be under an enormous amount of pressure now, so that alone should restrict his freedom to experiment and not worry about results too much.
One thing though. People keep mentioning Chelsea and City have new managers, nobody is saying they should have a season-long transition period. Are people ignoring the point on purpose? City and Chelsea change managers all the time, the squad are used to it. United havent changed managers for 27 years, longer than half this place have probably been alive. Not the same thing coming in after that at all.
If our first transfer window is anything to go by, the possibilities aren't exactly endless
Spot on. Özil is a great player but is getting way too much credit for Arsenal's form. Giroud has stepped up a lot and Ramsey has been their best player.
Moyes has done nothing - if he wants to build a dynasty he needs to communicate this clearly - what his philosophy is. If his objective was to win the league then he should have made as little change to the winning formula as possible. What he has done is nothing he is caught between a rock and a hard place and its all his own doing.
Even when AVB joined Chelsea he had a clear philosophy of where he wanted Chelsea to go, when DiMatteo took over he simply stuck to the formula Chelsea knew best. Moyes doesnt seem to know what his remit is and is struggling.
A quality manager would have said this side won the league, it needs a few addittions (not Fellaini) and add to the backroom staff - dont just jettison them and carry on with the winning formula.
Even when AVB joined Chelsea he had a clear philosophy of where he wanted Chelsea to go, when DiMatteo took over he simply stuck to the formula Chelsea knew best. Moyes doesnt seem to know what his remit is and is struggling.
A quality manager would have said this side won the league, it needs a few addittions (not Fellaini) and add to the backroom staff - dont just jettison them and carry on with the winning formula.
I'm not even sure what that means tbh? How's he suppsoed to communicate this - if not by signing a 6 year contract etc?
Im pretty sure he'd love to build a dynasty and I'd imagine those were one of the major reasons he's had SAF's faith etc, as longevity etc is part of our club. I do agree with the bit about "not changing" too much too soon though. He should have kept on at least 1 or 2 of SAF's backroom staff, especially if they were so reccomended by SAF.
The one criticism I have about Moyes though, is that he's been a bit too risk adverse IMO. This was evident from the moment in the transfer window when he said no to bidding for Thiago because he hasn't done enough homework on the fella etc. (or at least, as the story goes, that's what I think happened). But hopefully he'll adapt and evolve as he becomes more comfortable and as the team becomes more his.
Other than that, I'd love to give him time, as painful as it might turn out to be.
I have to say I've not been following this thread, but has anyone mentioned how we all laughed at Benitez for what he did at Inter, taking a Champions League winning side & turning them to shit in a few short months.
Quits a lot of mirroring here, both won a trophy at the start, that was an easy win then proceeded to dismantle a winning side.
Maybe I'm going a bit far here, so don't jump on me, but there are parallels none the less.
Kind of a 'there but for the grace of God go I moment'? Except that, and I sincerely hope not, we might be going there.
Quits a lot of mirroring here, both won a trophy at the start, that was an easy win then proceeded to dismantle a winning side.
Maybe I'm going a bit far here, so don't jump on me, but there are parallels none the less.
Kind of a 'there but for the grace of God go I moment'? Except that, and I sincerely hope not, we might be going there.
Ozil slot in a well running machine, see arsenal on last season end. While Moyes still doesn't know (yet) how to utilize players he already has in hand. And seeing how Fellaini play, so does player he already know inside and outside.
But I agree Fabregas would have a massive impact on our team. No so sure about Thiago though.
Either Sir Alex has to advise Moyes not to go public with his criticism. You wonder how much the players still revere SAF and are keeping their thoughts private for his sake. He chose Moyes. The press must be loving all this Moyes hate. You know they read this forum how long before they start printing posts off here. Not sure it will help the club we all love.
One of the things, I assumed Moyes would improve is our defence considering his defensive nature. But our defence has been worse than last season and we seem to let the opponents have a lot of chances at goal. Why isn't he not just playing the same back four? I hope now he has the balls to drop Rio. Just play Vidic/Jones and Evans.
Been a shit start from him really. Hope we at least start seeing some sort of footballing philosophy being imposed by him soon but right now we just look like we go out there with little plan in place, sort of like how our summer activity at the end looked too.
The biggest disappointment for me is how he has changed nothing and persisted with a 442 despite knowing our midfield is nor suitable for that. SAF could get away with it because he was SAF and knew how to motivate his players but Moyes has been both cowardly and tactically clueless thus far.
Even fergie who didn't focus enough on our game in central areas in recent years, made Rooney play deeper than he is now.
Moyes has been shit on a stick so far, but I still support him.
He will come good, and will also de-age by about 50 years when he does
He will come good, and will also de-age by about 50 years when he does
It's one of the hardest jobs in sport.Think those who started supporting Utd in the Fergie era are now realising how hard it is
Sack the cnut.
The away supporters to a man have stood behind Moyes and the team. Us armchair fans throwing tantrums won't register.
That Inter team's decline was long overdue. Mourinho left the squad in an aged state, and there was no money left for transfers, after the splurge of the previous season.
And people are rapidly forgetting that Benitez took over a Chelsea team in some disarray and won them something
Benitez is an underrated manager on here, as is expected. I was saying that Inter's decline after their treble winning season was not because Benitez took control.
He impressed me considerably at Chelsea after a poor start. They played some good football and he completely outwitted fergie in the FA cup. From a tactical point of view he knows how to get a team to perform
Moyes is not a tactician, he's not a motivator, he's not canny in the transfer market (fellaini), he's had no record of success. What was Fergus smoking at the time?
What are you smoking?
Baines - England International and one of the best LBs around.
Jagielka - Made him into the England International he is.
Coleman - 60 fecking thousand pounds for someone who is worth 10m+ now.
Mirallas - One of the best wingers in the league right now, granted not a lot of them have been firing on all cylinders but that takes nothing away from his great performance.
They're just a few of the first team players we still use that he signed and have been successful in terms of turning into International/Superb players.
What did this man actually do to keep an Everton side consistently over performing year after year I wonder. It wasn't tactical nor motivational and his transfer record of one (Fellaini) at United has so far looked a little foolish.
It's amazing the luck that carried him and that Everton side lasted for even 11 weeks never mind 11 years. Perhaps "Fergus" should have recommended the unavailable Pep or maybe Mourinho who has started so well and left Madrid in such a wonderful state with hundreds upon hundreds of millions of pounds invested. Maybe one of a plethora of ex Chelsea managers or a barm pot German bloke. Hey perhaps that Martin O'niell chap would like a job after being so successful.
We should just get you in for your amazing insights on football management, I can't believe "Fergus" overlooked your good self.
Something you've grown no doubt..
That rules out brain then. :-)
I miss Fergus
Just saw an interview with Wenger where they asked him what the difference is at Arsenal this year. His answer - squad cohesion/solidarity/chemistry - call it whatever you want. I feel with Fergie leaving and Moyes coming, its really the sense of squad cohesion that was disrupted and and the main difference between a side that wins the league by 10 points and one that languishes in a mid table identity crisis. If Moyes is to turn this ship around he has to instill a sense of confidence in the players that seemed to exist in abundance as recently as five months ago.
Probably the most bizarre thing I've heard from United fans about Moyes is that he shouldn't be fired regardless of position, because 'it's not the United way' etc. I know not many are saying this, but it's so strange. It implies they are so desperate to be 'better' than other clubs, they'd rather have a poor manager just to prove a point.
Now I still think Moyes will come good, but I don't think it will be with the group of players that he has right now. I think Rooney is gone at the end of the season and United as a team will be better off for it. I wouldn't be surprised to see Miralles at United next season.
Now I still think Moyes will come good, but I don't think it will be with the group of players that he has right now. I think Rooney is gone at the end of the season and United as a team will be better off for it. I wouldn't be surprised to see Miralles at United next season.
He shouldn't be fired tomorrow. He should be fired today.
He embodies the exact opposite of the United way. David Moyes represents fear and mediocrity.
He embodies the exact opposite of the United way. David Moyes represents fear and mediocrity.
I doubt there are many who believe this, but he does need a season, unless we somehow end up in a relegation battle by Christmas obviously. He's taking over from someone who was here 26 years and faces a far larger task than any Chelsea manager who has taken over their previous, sacked after 3 months manager ever has.
Dream on.
Why so? He's a great player, better than any winger you currently have. I'd take him at Chelsea if we needed a winger.
Kevin Mirallas is better than any winger Manchester United have? I couldn't disagree more, I think Januzaj will become better, Nani is currently better, Valencia (Of Old) was better, in fact it's only AY that he confidently is better than.
I've seen it posted a couple of times, really confused me. I've no doubt the task it greater than taking over any of the circumstances that the Chelsea manager's have in recent times. I guess the biggest issue with Moyes is United haven't really have any style of play. AVB should have got more leeway (should never have been sacked) as you could see he was trying to change the team and their style of play. Someone like Di Matteo went back to basics and played it safe. Moyes hasn't really done either clearly in my opinion. If that changes over the course of the season, which surely it will, then I couldn't see him getting sacked barring an 8th place finish.
So one has the POTENTIAL to become better, one you argue is better and one USED to be better? How much of Miralles have you seen?
POTENTIAL I believe he will feel, not that it's guaranteed obviously, but yes.
Miralles this season? Admiteddly, not much, last season he was good, but very average for me.
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