Moyes So Far!

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Fergie said he wanted coaches to challenge him. Rene clearly did as discussed in champions league final. I felt Querioz, McClaren and Kidd did that too.

I don't get that with Round and the old man. Thing is there not many standout coaches available. We'd have to wait four years for Pep. A lot of the good coaches like Van Gaal, Hiddink and Capelli are approaching the end of their careers. Even Heynekes.

Two standout candidates are though Klopp and for me Simeone. Simeone has achieved more in his short spell than Moyes has in 14 years as Manager. Could say that about AVB. Pretty sure Moyes was linked with Spurs job and they chose AVB last season .
How would we have any idea what Round does or doesn't do?

Simeone would have been a great appointment, what he's done is a genuine example of improving a team to the extent of deserving a shot at the big time, not what Moyes did at Everton.

If we want consistent success we're probably going to have to get the "must stay for 20+ years" idea out our heads pretty sharpish. Turning our noses up at Van Gaal for example because he's 62 would be laughable.
 
Everytime I notice a camera shot at the United 'brain-trust' during the match, its always like Moyes talking to Round -- and poor Neville stretching his neck out trying to hear the conversation. Phil must feel like he is seen as Fergie's boy or he is being left out of any discussions like back in school or something.
 


Some needless clichés in that skysports article, but it's hard to argue with the fact that we've been negative so far. I also agree that the players are just not showing the sort of commitment that's needed when the going gets tough like this. It may entirely be me mis-reading things, but looking at the expression on our players' faces at the end of the match, I didn't see a whole lot of pain, anguish or even disappointment.

Still, on a brighter note, one thing I will give Moyes credit for is slowly but surely rewarding good performances and punishing poor ones. I'd have preferred it if he learnt faster, but sticking with Januzaj and Nani on the wings and Jones at CB, and giving Evans a chance alongside him (which I think he took really well) are all good decisions, for me. It's also coincided with awful performances this season from Young, Valencia and Rio, who we're consequently seeing less of, which is also good. I hope this trend will continue, and he learns from Giggs' showing yesterday, for instance. Ideally, he would use Rooney's drop in form to change things up in the attacking department a bit with the formation/personnel, but that might be asking too much.
 
Ok we have Stoke, Norwich & Fulham before playing the almighty Arse. What is the minimum Moyes has to get and your predictions?

12 points and hopefully after beating Arsenal the gap at the top will be slashed.

I can't believe some fans on here think a 4th place finish is good enough, thats a massive underachievement how will the players and fans get behind him going into next season after that? A 4th place finish should see him sacked on the spot.
 
A 4th place finish should see him sacked on the spot.

I don't think that is cast in stone. It depends on the way, if we can see Moyes is getting the hang of it, doing the right things and saying the right things. I think it was Bobby Charlton who says United weren't going to sack Fergie in 1990 because they saw what he was doing and where he was trying to take the club. Moyes obviously got us in a far, far better situation, but I think that by now we realise this isn't going to be a season of glory. It's learning curve and if he can learn fast and set us up well for next season, that's fine. If not, well...
 
Juventus will never be a good example for the simple reason that their rebuilding brought them a net loss of between 250 and 300 Mil. € over the years.

Missing out CL alone is a massive loss of money, which would not be tolerated by the United board and while that happened to Bayern Munich, they still easily remained the biggest German club because of having no real rival. Would that happen now, it would actually cause more damage to them, because it would close the gap between them and Dortmund quite significantly.

There should be no doubt about it. Finishing outside the top 4 should be the end of the "era" Moyes, but it is still early in the season.

United managed to compete with bottomless pits of oil moey, which makes missing out on CL money look like a walk in the park. I'm not saying it's ideal or that we should warm to the idea, but there's no reason to panic. SAF has been at the club for 26 years, most of which were successful. If anyone expected the transition to be smooth they were deluded. Sacking Moyes will bring us back to square one, and would only increase the pressure on the next in line.
 
He's learning for sure, but he is costing us points while he learns. He is playing less and less of Valencia and Young, which is great. Jones has played at center back in the last two games and has done well, so has Evans. I really believe this Evans-Jones partnership has real potential, and should be used for most games, preferably with a higher line. Vidic/Rio should only be used as rotation options. Now he needs to grow some balls and drop one of van Persie or Rooney, or atleast ask Rooney to play a lot deeper. The partnership is not working. Sadly, it will be a while before he does that. And yes, no more Giggs while we are trying to hold on to a lead. We have brought him twice in these situations and twice it has failed. My biggest worry so far though is the lack of identity we have. What kind of football are we playing? Or what kind of football are we working towards playing?
 
If it's not broke, then don't fix it!

We changed too much in one go for me, fair enough we had no choice regarding the manager as Fergie was retiring, but Moyes should have kept all the backroom/coaching staff on at United and it would have no doubt made for an easier transition period. On top of that we also changed our chief executive, which also had an impact on our business in the transfer window.
 
Every manager deserves more than 8 games, if we fired Moyes now we'd be the fickle gloryhunters rival fans always claimed we were. It's absolute nonsense. Agree that the squad has glaring weaknesses too but even still, we should be good enough to at least be competing for the title. Anyway, it's clearly going to improve so a bit of patience is in order.

We would be stupid to sack him now and he needs a couple of transfer windows to sign players, after the summer debacle, hopefully lessons have been learnt there.
 
Folks IMO need to calm down a bit. The league is a marathon and not a sprint. 8 points behind at this point in a season isn't curtains. Be thankful it wasn't a loss.

I think it's more about our style of play than even the results, if we were playing well we could say we were unlucky and result will come. The players need to take a look at themselves as well in all this. The fear of Fergie in the dressing room kept them on their toes.
 
The thing is we are not yet worse than our worst season since 2000 yet, at the same stage and we are no where near as bad as 'Woy's much hated Pool' which was my earlier point.

I highly doubt that I was. I honestly don't remember though

Don't make claims like that, they are trawling through the posts now and if they find it. You know what they are like, they never forget.:)
 
If it's not broke, then don't fix it!

We changed too much in one go for me, fair enough we had no choice regarding the manager as Fergie was retiring, but Moyes should have kept all the backroom/coaching staff on at United and it would have no doubt made for an easier transition period. On top of that we also changed our chief executive, which also had an impact on our business in the transfer window.

What gets me about posts like this is the assumption that Moyes wanted all the backroom staff out when the evidence points to himwanting them there and it was their choice to leave.

Regarding the CE role, he's another one who's new to the role, he'll have to adapt to the position, however it has no bearing on the playing style and the last 2 poor home results
 
If it's not broke, then don't fix it!

We changed too much in one go for me, fair enough we had no choice regarding the manager as Fergie was retiring, but Moyes should have kept all the backroom/coaching staff on at United and it would have no doubt made for an easier transition period. On top of that we also changed our chief executive, which also had an impact on our business in the transfer window.


But that would have made possible an eventual return of SAF. That decision while likely hampered us, it ensured that Moyes would be here at-least until the end of the season.
 
What gets me about posts like this is the assumption that Moyes wanted all the backroom staff out when the evidence points to himwanting them there and it was their choice to leave.

Regarding the CE role, he's another one who's new to the role, he'll have to adapt to the position, however it has no bearing on the playing style and the last 2 poor home results

Not really.

You really think all the coaching staff wanted out? Yeah I'm sure Erik Steele wanted to leave Man Utd to become goalkeeping coach of Derby. Or Mike Phelan wanted to leave. Even Rene from his interviews didn't want to leave.
 
What gets me about posts like this is the assumption that Moyes wanted all the backroom staff out when the evidence points to himwanting them there and it was their choice to leave.

Regarding the CE role, he's another one who's new to the role, he'll have to adapt to the position, however it has no bearing on the playing style and the last 2 poor home results


What gets you? It is just my opinion mate, no need for it to get to you. Anyway, it has come out that Fergie advised him to do this, yet he chose not to, so how would that be him wanting to keep the coaching staff on?
 
I honestly don't believe keeping the coaching staff would have made a difference. No matter who is in the staff, it all comes down to the manager. What he knows, what he sees and what he thinks.
 
I've criticised Moyes a fair bit and must admit that I never wanted him as manager. However, some things to consider...

1. This isn't Moyes team. Yes, he brought in Fellaini but this is a SAF team.
2. It's difficult to evaluate Moyes without him having "his" players at his disposal. Makes the Baines feck up more ridiculous by Woodward.
3. Some of the important players in this team are ageing. Vidic, rio, Carrick, Evra. All vital to our title winning seasons previously.

The players have to accept a lot of the criticism here. I don't for one second believe some of these players would be putting in performances like they have under SAF. It's a huge test for Moyes - the players are testing him.

His changes have been questionable and the slow build up is painful to watch. He has to realise now that the way he wants to play and the current line up are not a match.

I'm not sure how this will pan out but we've definitely got problems. I'm prepared to be unsuccessful as long as there is progression in how we play. Watching Southampton yesterday was painful - not because they were poor, but because they simply kept the ball better than my team on our own patch.
 
What I don't get is, when we started the season (Swansea, Chelsea, Liverpool, Leverkusen), we played with a belief and intensity in our game plan. Where has all that vanished?!
 
He needs to change our formation, how obvious does it need to be that we don't have the right players for 4-4-2. I actually think Liverpools set up right now would work well for us and solve our personnel issues
 
A lot people I know who are usually very grounded and supportive of players and the manager of this club seem to be getting slightly edgy with Moyes. I suspect he's losing a lot of belief from lots of fans so soon.
 
A lot people I know who are usually very grounded and supportive of players and the manager of this club seem to be getting slightly edgy with Moyes. I suspect he's losing a lot of belief from lots of fans so soon.

To be fair a lot of them myself included didn't want him. Now I can take losing or drawing, if we actually played well . But fact is WBA came to old Trafford and played us off the park. Southampton were full value for their draw.
 
A lot people I know who are usually very grounded and supportive of players and the manager of this club seem to be getting slightly edgy with Moyes. I suspect he's losing a lot of belief from lots of fans so soon.

I feel the players themselves are slowly losing belief in him as well.
 
the table does not lie.

we were bullied in midfield...that is where the game is won or lost...and we don't have a midfield to be in the top 4. To insist on 4-4-2 with the midfield we have is unrealistic. At least play with 3 and strengthen in Jan. Otherwise we are done.
 
A lot people I know who are usually very grounded and supportive of players and the manager of this club seem to be getting slightly edgy with Moyes. I suspect he's losing a lot of belief from lots of fans so soon.


I haven't met a single one who isnt already.
 
It would be pathetic to lose belief 8 games into a new season with a new manager after almost 30 years. It would.

Things are going to take time. Moyes is not going anywhere anyway, so anything else than supporting him and the team is a bit useless at the moment. We are playing quite poorly at the moment, and Moyes and the players both are making mistakes. I do think it will turn around though. Will also be interesting to see what the next transfer windows brings in.
 
United were unlucky yesterday against a very good side. Give Moyes time. It's only October.



He needs time, no question. But the results so far aren't good enough. The only decent side we've beaten is Swansea. We have yet to win two games in a row and struggled at times to beat Sunderland and Palace.

I can understand that he won't be winning things straight away, but some of the results and performances leave a lot to be desired. His naturally conservative streak IMO has cost us so far this season and it doesn't look like he's learning either and I do think that he is still in awe of the place.
 



Abysmal video trying to manipulate unsuspecting minds into thinking this all is part of Manchester United's romance.

Unimpressed, he is still a nothing manager and I never desired nor approved of his appointment.
 
Major lulz, I thought it was a good video.


Compare it to a scouser putting together such a clip for Dalglish or Hodgson during their early tenure... or Suarez.

Wowzah, not so impressive now eh..
 
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