All we need now is for Moyes to bite some fecker's ear off.
Moyes So Far!
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All we need now is for Moyes to bite some fecker's ear off.
It doesn't matter how many threads you say that in, it's still not true.But generally, you're right. It's unfair to compare him to Hodgson at this stage. The two situations aren't remotely similar.
Yeah, way to stay calm.
I watched a team that was better than they were against West Brom. Improvement game to game is okay with me. People here have gone from screaming about the starting line up to screaming about substitutions. That's improvement.
We were never going to come storming out of the gates with a new coach and a glaring hole in the midfield.
The biggest joke was that they kept on going back as if increasing the bids by £2-3 million a time was clever or going to work. For the serious powers of European football it must've looked like some kind of comedy.
Please don't talk about the fixture list. A tough start just means an easy end. When Moyes was complaining about the computer it just smacked of desperation and it looks even worse now that we've got to the so-called 'easy' games and we're still not winning.
Moyes has made changes, but obvious changes, and long after they were overdue. It was plainly obvious after about 2 or 3 games that the likes of Young and Valencia were completely off form and that Rio and Vida's legs looked suspect but changes were not made because Moyes wanted 'experience'. Presumably because 'experience' of big games was lacking in a title winning squad.
Moyes still persists in being needlessly negative, he still has the team set up in lines that are far too far from one another leaving our players often isolated and unable to get moves going and he still makes baffling subs that seem to be based mostly on which players he trusts rather than form e.g. Giggs for Nani today, Fellaini for Welbeck. If centre midfield is an issue its his problem: Nobody told him to spend £27.5 million on a player who excels as a number 10 not a number 8.
Fixture list, world class players lacking, squad inherited...so many excuses, so few answers. Lets stop blaming everyone else and have someone take some responsibility, eh?
fecking stroll on.
fecking hell, it's not that hard to be better than the team who was against West Brown. Even if they are havily drugged they should be better than that team.
I am seeing the change of expectations from many people here tonight. 15 points from the next 5 games is a must Moyes supporters said. Now that we have only 4 points from three of those games, it's all good cause we played better than against West Brown when we made one of the biggest pathetic performances I have ever seen from us. If being better than the team who played against WBA is the expectation and what is acceptable, then we are truly and utterly fecked.
By rumours I meant, does really the club payed/asked the fans to bring this on the stadium? It is quite possible that fans who are happy as long as we play better than against WBA brought it there without instruction by the club.
I'd prefer us to lose/draw games because we've gone gung ho rather than sitting back and bitching out. I'd like to see Nani, van Persie and Rooney be a bit more individual at times. I'd like to see Fellaini and Carrick trying a few hollywood passes. It's all very bland and mish mashed. No 'style of play' and a serious identity crisis.
Makes you wonder how important Sir Alex and his carefully selected coaches were to this entire organisation.
Makes you wonder how important Sir Alex and his carefully selected coaches were to this entire organisation.
Ridiculous not to.
As if SAF wouldn't have done the same thing. Please.
Imagine if he had come in and made a large swath of changes. That's how you lose the locker room. See: AVB at Chelsea.
And maybe have an understanding that there are many things at play. One being an incredibly tough fixture list. To ignore that is to have an agenda.
Yes, so an improvement.
Maybe. You're also seeing what you want to see because you've been against him from the beginning, so that's how that works out. What you've said here is about the most RAWKish post I've seen yet. Pretty clear.
I do support Moyes. I support the team. I'd like the team to do well and I'm looking for the positives, of which there are some. Obviously. I guess that makes me someone who supports the manager of the club I support. What a shithead I am.
I look forward to the next couple of month's in which guys like you start calling people like me "Moyes supporters" as a negative term. Good stuff
Fergie said he wanted coaches to challenge him. Rene clearly did as discussed in champions league final. I felt Querioz, McClaren and Kidd did that too.
I don't get that with Round and the old man. Thing is there not many standout coaches available. We'd have to wait four years for Pep. A lot of the good coaches like Van Gaal, Hiddink and Capelli are approaching the end of their careers. Even Heynekes.
Two standout candidates are though Klopp and for me Simeone. Simeone has achieved more in his short spell than Moyes has in 14 years as Manager. Could say that about AVB. Pretty sure Moyes was linked with Spurs job and they chose AVB last season .
I don't get that with Round and the old man. Thing is there not many standout coaches available. We'd have to wait four years for Pep. A lot of the good coaches like Van Gaal, Hiddink and Capelli are approaching the end of their careers. Even Heynekes.
Two standout candidates are though Klopp and for me Simeone. Simeone has achieved more in his short spell than Moyes has in 14 years as Manager. Could say that about AVB. Pretty sure Moyes was linked with Spurs job and they chose AVB last season .
Rawk must be really enjoying what's going on....
Tell you what is RAWK-ish; sticking posters around the ground telling the fans to get behind the new manager.
Agenda? Yeah. Obvs...
An insignificant one. We were shit that day, we were shit today (especially in the last 25-30 minutes)
I wasn't against Moyes that much compared to others. On the other side, I don't want to blind my eyes and to not see what is obvious (or claim that Moyes is better than Mourinho or that no other manager would have done better). 'Moyes supporter' wasn't a good choice of words, I agree, but I meant people who are not blaming him for his faults. Moyes fanboys would have been a better term, probably.
I also like the team to do well. Team is not doing well though. In fact, team is doing very bad. And there is a single main reason for that. I haven't ever asked for him to be sacked, but it is lunacity to claim that things aren't bad or that is happening any improvement. What improvement? In first three games we got 4 points against Swansea, LFC and Chelsea? In last 3 games we got 4 points against WBA, Sunderland and Southampton. Improvements my arse. Things are continually getting worse.
Let's be honest. Tough fixture list. Two of them away.
But I guarantee we would have won all the other games under Fergie. Chelsea came here and parked the bus. Under Fergie, we would have got a goal. Where as you never had that feeling when we played Chelsea under Moyes. Fact is he needs to start making his subs a bit more attacking.
But I guarantee we would have won all the other games under Fergie. Chelsea came here and parked the bus. Under Fergie, we would have got a goal. Where as you never had that feeling when we played Chelsea under Moyes. Fact is he needs to start making his subs a bit more attacking.
True. We took the piss out of other clubs for doing that with new managers for years, now people are looking rid of Moyes after 8 games. 4th place would be an acceptable outcome for his first season, and as bad as we've been so far that's hardly unattainable at this stage.
I've been here for a while. Honestly, I've never seen you this active. You seem to have a cause suddenly
Ok we have Stoke, Norwich & Fulham before playing the almighty Arse. What is the minimum Moyes has to get and your predictions?
We took the piss out of other clubs because let's see. Chelsea third last season and four points off top. Beaten Arsenal and Spurs away, yet still sack Di Matteo. That is laughable. Same with Big Phil, they were like fourth at the time. Moyes isn't even top four.
If we mid-table around Xmas, should we stand and slide? Let another team grab one of those champion league spots. If we don't get champions league, we can forget attracting the world class CMs we want.
He didn't, but although we were good on that evening the final 10 mins we totally settled for a point. I don't think Fergie would have done the same.
Maybe. But I don't think Jose plays that way against Fergie because he knows Fergie well. Moyes, not nearly as much.
Minimum 8 points, but really he needs something good to happen.
3 wins in a row would be sexual.
Debatable. We had two champions league matches with Porto and Madrid, where refs played a part. Let's not forget, when Jose was first at Chelsea, we were in transition.
Also I never seen Jose play like that at Old Trafford. If he did that against Fergie, we would have scored.
What makes our start this season uniquely special, have we always been given easy games at the start of seasons or something? In 2008-09 we had Liverpool and Chelsea away in our first four games. In 2009-10 we had Spurs, Arsenal and City back to back in our 4th, 5th and 6th league games. In 2011-12 we had Spurs, Arsenal and Chelsea in our first five games. Even last season our 5th and 6th games were against Liverpool and Spurs.
David Moyes has used the fixture list as some kind of excuse but in many ways its no worse than it has been in previous years. Plus, given that we're through the 'tough' bit and still aren't winning what does it matter? Would it have made anyone feel better if the fixtures had been reversed and we'd started with a draw at home with Southampton, followed by a win at Sunderland and losses against West Brom, City and Liverpool with only a drab victory against Palace between?
This whole thing about the fixture list seems to be a complete straw man. Everyone plays everyone else at some stage in the season. To be the best you have to beat the best. Doesn't matter when, doesn't matter how. You just do.
I'm not a big fan of the fixture list argument either, besides Southampton and WBA at home were not not games that made it look difficult
It is slightly more difficult this year, but we have had difficult starts in the past too.
Irrelevant anyway, there have been more than a month since the end of the tough start. Now we are in the easy games so we should win them regardless of how much the computer cheated us.
IMO the league standings the matter so much at the moment. The bigger problem is the way we've been playing. We've been shite, defensive, sitting deep against whoever we play, and it's not promising for the future at all. If we manage fourth place, what will change next season? Is there a guarantee that we'll all of a sudden start playing a better style of football to get better results? I'm not so sure. I said it before but Moyes' high energy style he had Everton play has limited potential compared to managers who favor their teams to play a more attacking, technical style of play. I don't think you'd ever see Everton, with the style they played, win the title, regardless of what players he had. Don't think that will change being at United unless he tries to change his own style to adapt to us, rather then changing us to adapt to him.
It's new signage that has been going up around the museum as part of the tour route. It's got quotes from all 26 and a bit years of SAF's reign in chronological order starting in the North Stand and working round. Nothing to get your knickers in a twist about.
It's hard to predict scores at at the moment, Stoke won't be easy and I don't care about Norwich. Beating Fulham will give us momentum for the week ahead.
I don't mind the quotes around the place. I mean when he said it, we were all praising it and talking about how important the message is and how well worded it was. It's a speech that will be a part of United's history, something that is important to United. Now a few people have it in for Moyes they want it ripped down. C'mon guys.
If we come away with only a handful of points and absolutely outclass all of the above having peppered their goals with shots and been undone by bad referring, a breakaway counter or two or a set piece I'll not crow too much. If we actually look like we not only could have won but should have won that will be massive progress. The big problem I have at the moment is that in none of the matches we've lost can you make a convincing argument that we should have won. Every time we've dropped points its been a fair reflection of how we've played. Positives have not been plentiful. I just want it to look like its gonna get better.
Unless we're in danger of getting relegated, which we won't be, we should give him to the end of the season at least. The last thing the club needs is to get in the habit of ditching managers mid-season and making Hail Mary replacement appointments.
I do agree to an extent - I wasn't particularly enthusiastic about Moyes' appointment in the first place - but having appointed him it would be mental not to see it through to the end of the season at least. The early signs have been shite but there's still plenty of time for him to stamp some sort of tactical mark on the team.
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