Moyes' first signing?

amolbhatia100 said:
I really hope this doesn't happen. We should be going for better players than those two.

Fellaini is a good player but he's at his best as a target man and it isn't a tactic suited to the best sides.
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Why would we only buy players from Everton? Apart from Moyes being their old manager, what reason do you have for thinking they are the people we will sign? If we had appointed Mourinho, do you think we'd suddenly only be signing Ronaldo/Ozil/Modric etc, or if we'd hired Klopp we'd only get Lewandowski/Reus/Gundogan?

Fellaini and Baines are good players, and they work well within the gameplan that Everton use. But we're a different kettle of fish, we arent going to stick a big man up front and just play percentage balls from back to front as quick as possible with a higher risk of wasting possession. We have to deal with around 15 of the other teams in the league wanting sit back and hope for a chance to counter attack against us, so we have to be more patient in our play, and make sure not to waste the ball when we get it. If we all as fans know this and can see it, why would David Moyes, a manager who has been in the game, managing teams for 15 years and been successful (to what I'd expect him to have achieved given the teams he's managed and the teams he's having to compete with) not be able to see the same thing?
 
EvilChuck said:
Why would we only buy players from Everton? Apart from Moyes being their old manager, what reason do you have for thinking they are the people we will sign? If we had appointed Mourinho, do you think we'd suddenly only be signing Ronaldo/Ozil/Modric etc, or if we'd hired Klopp we'd only get Lewandowski/Reus/Gundogan?

Fellaini and Baines are good players, and they work well within the gameplan that Everton use. But we're a different kettle of fish, we arent going to stick a big man up front and just play percentage balls from back to front as quick as possible with a higher risk of wasting possession. We have to deal with around 15 of the other teams in the league wanting sit back and hope for a chance to counter attack against us, so we have to be more patient in our play, and make sure not to waste the ball when we get it. If we all as fans know this and can see it, why would David Moyes, a manager who has been in the game, managing teams for 15 years and been successful (to what I'd expect him to have achieved given the teams he's managed and the teams he's having to compete with) not be able to see the same thing?
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People are only really commenting on a Transfer rumour that has been reported in the press, which is what happens in the Transfer Forum. Whether they think Moyes will actually go down that route or not is another thing, the rumour is there.
 
I don't think we will sign Baines and/or Fellaini, I don't want them here either. Baines is 29 and will be entering a spot which is fought for by 3 players, and I have this dreadful feeling that Fellaini would play an advanced role if we were to come, and we'd start playing hoofball more, much like any team that has Andy Carroll in it do and Everton do quite a bit now.
 
Raoul said:
Martin Tyler said yesterday in an interview, something to the effect of "If you're surprised by Sir Alex's retirement, be prepared to have your eyebrows raised even further in the coming days".
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Hmmmmmm......ve-hairy interesting! :)
 
Jimy_Hills_Chin said:
I am not interested in any midfielder who has an 80% pass completion rate over a season.
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To be fair though he has hardly played in a deep role which is easier to get a higher pass percentage, playing in the box is alot harder to nail your passes.

I bet RVP / Rooney do not have much more than that?
 
Tyy Dyyy said:
Jesus, I wish people would stop mentioning Everton players. None of them, not a single one, is even remotely close to being United quality. They are all at their level.
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I see where you're coming from, but then you have to look at how Moyes turned Goodison into a fortress. If he goes back for any Everton player it will be a defender.

Anyway, probably won't happen
 
It is very common for managers to take players from their old clubs to their new club. Why wouldn't they, they know players that they have worked with better than players that they haven't. The manager will know what he is getting personality wise.

Some famous examples are Konchesky to Liverpool and Ferreira to Chelsea. What could possibly go wrong?

Adam-Utd said:
To be fair though he has hardly played in a deep role which is easier to get a higher pass percentage, playing in the box is alot harder to nail your passes.

I bet RVP / Rooney do not have much more than that?
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80% was his pass completion when he played in that defensive midfield role last season, it is worse this season in a more advanced role. Rooney's for this season is 83%, which is low for him, he is usually around 85%. Even Phil Jones is up at 83%.

Find me one top midfielder who has an 80% or lower pass completion rate over a season.
 
Jimy_Hills_Chin said:
It is very common for managers to take players from their old clubs to their new club. Why wouldn't they, they know players that they have worked with better than players that they haven't. The manager will know what he is getting personality wise.

Some famous examples are Konchesky to Liverpool and Ferreira to Chelsea. What could possibly go wrong?
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This

It seems that our fans are ashamed of our new manager's brilliant past. What's wrong in emulating the same style that convinced our people that he's the right man in the first place?
 
Bilbo said:
Lot of talk around the betting circles in the City tonight that we will make a huge signing before the end of the month. Aleady done, and waiting for the right moment to announce it.
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I thought Raoul's post back 2 or so pages back was important, and it supports the above; originally from Martin Tyler
 
Red Shorts said:
I don't think we will sign Baines and/or Fellaini, I don't want them here either. Baines is 29 and will be entering a spot which is fought for by 3 players, and I have this dreadful feeling that Fellaini would play an advanced role if we were to come, and we'd start playing hoofball more, much like any team that has Andy Carroll in it do and Everton do quite a bit now.
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Fellaini gets pushed up there for Everton because they lack creativity, only having a handful of above average players. Totally different story at United.

I'm fairly sure that if Fergie believed Moyes would come in and play long ball he'd not have recomended him for the job. At United Moyes will have better quality players going forward. Fellaini in a midfield role could give us some much needed steel to go with it.
 
Thick Numpty said:
Eh? I made a simple statement. Methinks you are getting a tad precious. Go have a joint or something.
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Clearly when I said Paddy I wasn't referring to his nationality though, it was only because moses said Paddy in his original post, and you know that, you were just being pedantic for the sake of it.
 
EvilChuck said:
Why would we only buy players from Everton? Apart from Moyes being their old manager, what reason do you have for thinking they are the people we will sign? If we had appointed Mourinho, do you think we'd suddenly only be signing Ronaldo/Ozil/Modric etc, or if we'd hired Klopp we'd only get Lewandowski/Reus/Gundogan?
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It is actually quite depressing reading that.
 
Cina said:
Clearly when I said Paddy I wasn't referring to his nationality though, it was only because moses said Paddy in his original post, and you know that, you were just being pedantic for the sake of it.
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I was only having a laugh, for christ sake. Sorry, I didn't realise the transfer forum was such serious business.

Calm down, sugartits.
 
I think it's a bit short-sighted to say that if we signed Fellaini we'd just hoof the ball up to him, Everton's use of him there has largely been pragmatic as they've not had 2 decent forwards in form for ages now. A few seasons ago he was played as a DM in a midfield 4 with Pieenar, Donovan and Bilyaledinov and he bossed it against some top teams. I imagine if he was to come here that'd be the role he'd play. You'd be hard pressed to find a better defensive midfield duo than Carrick and Fellaini

Also if we were going to take anyone from Everton I reckon it'd be him, midfield is our weakest area and Moyes rated him high enough to pay £15 million for him from the Belgian league which by his standards at Everton is huge money for an unproven player
 
I think people are overrating Fellaini as a midfield destroyer. When he played there he still had unreliable and uncreative passing. His strongest asset was also there that he is a brilliant at set-pieces/crosses which is not really key for a defensive midfielder. (even though it is a brilliant skill to have.)

I would prefer us starting Phil Jones who we already have over Fellaini as Jones clearly has a higher potential and they are not too far off right now as a DM anyhow. Jones is also brilliant in the air, has better possession passes but worse creative passes.

A lot of money to not a lot of improvement at all, and long-term definitely a step backwards.
 
EvilChuck said:
Why? What is depressing about it? Aside from Ronaldo and Lewandowski I dont think any of those players would want to play for us, regardless of who the manager is.
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Gundogan has reportedly said he supported United as a child or something along those lines. But you're right on Ozil and Modric, they both picked United over us, reportedly. Reus is German through and through so he may stay at Dortmund or hop over to Bayern or Spain if he wants to move.
 
jeff_goldblum said:
I think it's a bit short-sighted to say that if we signed Fellaini we'd just hoof the ball up to him, Everton's use of him there has largely been pragmatic as they've not had 2 decent forwards in form for ages now. A few seasons ago he was played as a DM in a midfield 4 with Pieenar, Donovan and Bilyaledinov and he bossed it against some top teams. I imagine if he was to come here that'd be the role he'd play. You'd be hard pressed to find a better defensive midfield duo than Carrick and Fellaini
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But that's the point, we don't need another defensive midfielder to play alongside Carrick. Fellaini would be a decent option as back-up for Carrick, but alongside him we need someone entirely different.
 
I think Carrick and Fellanini will complement each other quite well if he did come here. I'm not so sure he will do though.
 
Red Shorts said:
Gundogan has reportedly said he supported United as a child or something along those lines. But you're right on Ozil and Modric, they both picked United over us, reportedly. Reus is German through and through so he may stay at Dortmund or hop over to Bayern or Spain if he wants to move.
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I'm pretty sure I read on here last week or the week before that Gundogan said we were in for him but he didnt want to come.

Colin129 said:
I'm talking about the quality of players in the pool rather than as specific prospects to actually join us.
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We have some world class players as well in Vidic and RVP. And have some of the potentially best young players in the country (maybe even the world) in the likes of Jones, Welbeck, Rafael etc. This is exactly like Sir Alex's analogy about the cows in the field
 
Fellani could be our Ballack if we work it right. I reckon he's got more about him than how he's used at Everton. He man not be no Xavi, Wilshere type player but with got ball players already. Just don't play him with Valencia.
 
EvilChuck said:
I'm pretty sure I read on here last week or the week before that Gundogan said we were in for him but he didnt want to come.



We have some world class players as well in Vidic and RVP. And have some of the potentially best young players in the country (maybe even the world) in the likes of Jones, Welbeck, Rafael etc. This is exactly like Sir Alex's analogy about the cows in the field
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What about the Falcao in the field?
 
Fellaini has just started following the United Press Office on Twitter :lol:
 
Brightonian said:
But that's the point, we don't need another defensive midfielder to play alongside Carrick. Fellaini would be a decent option as back-up for Carrick, but alongside him we need someone entirely different.
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Very different sorts of defensive midfielder mind. Carrick - Fellaini would be kinda reminiscent of Alonso - Khedira in a 4-2-3-1 imo. Very different players with very different strengths and very different roles, albeit both defensively minded.
 
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