I would advise you to read an article on The Times called "Man Utd must back moaning Jose Mourinho", by Henry Winter that makes same assumptions and agrees with you view.
Mourinho : "Transfer spend is not enough"
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I would advise you to read an article on The Times called "Man Utd must back moaning Jose Mourinho", by Henry Winter that makes same assumptions and agrees with you view.
The funny think is that happens here in the Caf, cause in all honestly, in OT very rare you see a fan trashing Jose.
They are called couch managers, who think they know it all and think they would themselves do better, or someone else can do better (with other people's money of course).
Because those 5 players are still being used in City's starting fecking 11! They were a crucial inheritance as a manager.
And the 5 I've listed are the equivalent that Mourinho inherited.
If you're an anti-Mourinho poster or a WUM, sure, you can argue that somehow inheriting Aguero, Sterling, de Bruyne, D Silva and Fernandinho wasn't a massive advantage - but anyone who's even approaching objectivity on the subject knows full well that it is.
Added to the far superior inheritance, Citeh have also spent more!
José has done well here - we're ahead of Liverpool, Spuds, Chelsea and Arse, we've won 2 trophies under him.
Now the board must back him or basically admit that they're not really serious about being number 1 in the country anymore.
The best players need to know a team is going somewhere. Ignore the last couple of weeks...whilst we're still a long way away we are actually improving.
I seriously think that 1 or 2 more world class players will open up even more better transfers for us by making us more attractive. Lets be honest...Lukaka wasn' his 1st choice...we'd probably been snubbed by our main target.
Talk of getting rid of Maureen is daft. He deserves 2 more windows at least.
I seriously think that 1 or 2 more world class players will open up even more better transfers for us by making us more attractive. Lets be honest...Lukaka wasn' his 1st choice...we'd probably been snubbed by our main target.
Talk of getting rid of Maureen is daft. He deserves 2 more windows at least.
Then why did you leave out the five players we're still using that have been crucial to our season(the back five)!!!
You've chosen to compare the two teams each manager inherited and completely left out their weakest area, the back 5, half the team,which he's almost entirely replaced.
Then for us you've left out our strongest area. Again the back 5, a back 5 Mourinho has pretty much continued with.
It's such an obviously biased way to do the comparison. You obviously need to compare the full XI at least to see who had better. You must see that.
I actually agree Pep inherited better but only because what he needed, defenders, are easier to get than what we needed, attackers.
Both managers ultimately needed to revamp half of the starting XI they inherited.
Our strongest area wasn't even strong enough. Our fullbacks are wingers and Darmian and Blind are not good enough for title challenging sides. There's a reason why Pep got rid of all his fullbacks including Navas. Jose hasn't had a real chance to do this because signing players like Pogba is very costly. Pep already had players like de bruyne and so he didn't have to make such costly signings. Same thing for Lukaku/Aguero. When you take into account these two signings, the fact that they are half of what Jose has spent, the fact that City have been ahead of us for some time AND the fact that City have spent more anyway, you can understand the position of Mourinho.
Otamendi/Kompany vs Jones/Smalling/Rojo. The gulf here is not even that big. Certainly when you compare the midfield Pep has and what Jose stepped in with.
The player he missed out was de Gea.
Exactly,people just look at the money spent and don't want to know the context it was spent in..
Am glad mourinho is challenging the board to do more and not being a yes man and coming out with sound bites like we are good enough or nonsense like that..the man is a winner and he is here to win,not to help the board penny pinch..
Either they back him or he walk(gets sacked)...
My sentiments exactly.
Pep got
De bruyne not on the level he is at now
Sterling? See du bruyne
Fernandinho will be replaced. Decent player.
Silva class
Aguero injury prone but class
Mourinho got:
De gea. Best keeper in the world and the reason why we are 10 points better off this yr.
Shaw best young full back in the country.
Martial the most expensive teen ever.
Mata was world class at Chelsea. Not much between him and silva.
Rooney. Still was just 31. Record goal scorer and has his worst season ever under mourinho.
Rashford. Best young player possibly in the world. Unbelievable under lvg for his age.
Herrera as good as fernandinho, wanted by barca (never would say it now with how he has regressed under jose)
Sterling and de bruyne go up levels under pep.
Martial, rashford and Shaw regress under jose.
What's the plan and vision under jose?
Who know what Mata/Herrera can achieve under Pep, they are quality player.
Jesus is better than Aguero under Pep’s system . He cost only 36m ,much cheaper than Lukaku.
I cringed at these quotes from Mourinho, then Liverpool spunk £75m on a CB from Southampton.... My mind is changing.
The football world has truly gone nuts.
The football world has truly gone nuts.
Right, they are not in the same class of Silva. Aguero and Jesus share the games. Yes Jesus only cost 36 million, but 1. That's a risk for a young player coming out of Brazil and 2. Pep could afford to take that risk because he already had Aguero. We couldn't risk that type of signing, we needed something a bit more proven in Lukaku.
I'm just tired of the manager and posters on here/reddit trying to paint us as some kind of plucky underdogs coming up against city. When Mourinho came in he said he needed 4 specialists to compete and we finished 6th, now he's complaining that 300m+ isn't enough and that we cant compete with city because they're willing to spend lots on fullbacks or something. We've spent loads already, if 300m wasn't enough than maybe you shouldn't have spent most of it on 2 players, or brought in another centre back when we're desperate for a left back. I don't mind that we're not a finished article yet, but one thing the manager cannot moan about is money of all things and even worse try to make it out like we're in the shadow of fecking City of all teams.
This post is so obviously biased to make United look amazing and Mourinho a waster
I don’t think the majority of folks on here are blaming Mou for everything. But to blanket insulate Mou from any sort of valid criticism is wholly misconceived as he has committed some obvious blunders. Yes SAF has created spectacles in the past to deflect but he has never to my recollection thrown players under the bus so don’t think your comparison is entirely accurate.
To argue that well if it weren’t for City we would be first is a bad argument. The reality is we are not in first and we are miles off the pace to compete for the title. Don’t get me wrong, I think Mou has done reasonably well but, getting back on point, for him to say effectively that he hasn’t been backed in the market sufficiently is wrong and comes across as plain moaning. The crux of the issue is this: for all his spending and his managerial skills as the Special One, is he a success as the Manchester United manager so far? I think the majority are saying if he is a success, it’s definitely a qualified one at this point and he patently needs to improve in some areas. The most blatant area is that he should not be constantly complaining about everyone and everything’s shortcoming bar himself. Don’t think that’s an inaccurate assessment.
And this constant combative and surly demeanour is just tiresome. Don’t recall him being this way during his early years.
And also agree with you that the players are just not good enough. But equally it’s Mou’s job to get them to up their game.
This completely ignores the fact Pep inherited players like De Bruyne and Aguero meanwhile Mourinho had to dip into his budget to sign Pogba and Lukaku which is half of his total spend. On top of inheriting the players pep did, he has still outspent Mourinho.
Don’t think he is putting pressure on himself at all. He’s actually piling it on the board. And it’s not news to have Jose talk about Jose being hard done by.
Guardiola has also signed better and was more ruthless in getting rid of players not at the level. I couldn't care less who he inherited, we finished equal on points before they both came in and Pep has bought better and improved existing players better than Jose has. I still think Mourinho is probably the guy for the job but we're not far off their net spend and we've spent more than any of our other rivals so money shouldn't be an excuse.
We needed players of that calibre. Chelsea and City have top talents like Hazard and Aguero. We need to also have special players if we are to compete.
He could be more ruthless becuase there was more quality in the squad already. He got rid of the shite fullbacks and get new ones in at a premium. Jose had to focus on bringing a core in by signing Matic, Pogba, Bailly, Lukaku. That eats away at the budget. Pep has his midfield and striker already, he can spend elsewhere.
You can talk about the teams finishing level on points but the fact is the level and quality of squads is clear. City were always at a head start and had better players. People are forgetting te stuggles Pep had last year.
I just don't but this narrative that City are much better because they had "much better" players than United. There is so much revisionist history going on here. Last year many people were split on to who had the better team out of the two Manchester clubs, with a sizeable portion suggesting that United had the better team. City had De Bruyne, but an Aguero who people said was past his best, Yaya Toure who was their best midfield player thought to be finished(not including silva, De Bruyne at AM) and an entire defence that people thought was absolutely comical from centre backs all the way to the goalkeeper. The truth of the matter is that Pep has raised the level of all the players he inherited and made shrewd acquisitions while fully implementing his football philosophy. Does anyone really think if Pep was manager of United we would of faired worse off to Mourinho?
Mourinho had the bigger task and rebuild after the mess Van Gaal made of recruitment and the team. City had been finishing above us period. Pep came in and had players who had challenged for the league before and had the quality.
Insanely wealthy clubs complaining about super insanely wealthy clubs just seems funny to me.
Feyenoord held of on buying a promising striker because 6 million was a bit steep, but let's all laugh at Feyenoord, because they're shite in the CL. How come Dutch football has become so shite
boohoo, my transfer budget is only 200 million, feck off.
Condolences lmaoo
This is the exact reason why its so hypocritical when United fans rant about Oil money.
In my opinion, this is it...loud and clear! Can’t say it any better than this! Jose has proven he can win with whatever he has but it depends on what the board wants him to win? If the board wants him to win the premier league, then we need to compete with City in the current moment which means they need to fork out the money. If they want to win a position in the top 4, then we’re there and Jose’s already meeting their expectations all day long. Yeah, maybe also win a couple of other silverware along the way. Maybe the board’s content with that...but you don’t need Jose for that. Jose needs to win or things don’t go well. He won’t be happy with not being at the top. So, if the board can’t live up to what Jose wants or the fans want, Jose will leave because the fans will be putting pressure on the manager but he’s got nowhere to go but out.
Ok let's settle it. 300m budget for you from the day Jose arrived. Post your squad having used that money as you feel he should have. Bearing mind that these players he should have competing for the League had finished 4th 7th and 6th prior to his arrival. I want a well balanced side that should be top or second (which we are) and competing in Europe with the 300m. 22-25 players squad that's better than what we have
This is not just for dobbs this is for anybody who thinks what he has spent should have us at the top again.
As an aside I feel Pogba looks a better bargain with each crazy signing so that's 90m of your budget done - there's no way I can see us building anything without a player of his calibre
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Yeah he cherry picked our core to suit but out of interest what 5 would you say he inherited as a core. Personally I think van gaal left a core of de gea, smalling, Herrera, rashford and martial. Not having a go but you're being pretty stubborn to cite Valencia jones smalling and young as key players to inherit when about 90% of the forum thinks these players aren't good enough and young being a revelation this year should be to his and mourinhos credit
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Morata, Lacazette, Icardi, Mertens
Inter were not selling Icardi, Lacazette is not better, Mertens has just started to have his best years and a lot of it is probably down to Napoli's system. Morata is the only one really.
No indication Icardi wanted to leave or Mertens would be allowed to leave.
Morata, Belotti, Auba, Lacazette and Lukaku were our choices. Of these, Morata was first choice for us but Real saw to it we didn't get him. Jose didn't apparently rate the rest over Lukaku. It was a poor window for strikers.
But we were talking about who were available in the market so you can’t deny Lacazette. Mertens has peaked, yes, and obviously he benefits from a well functioning team, but he’s an excellent striker and has a ridiculously low release clause. We could have bought him instead, I wouldn’t be fussed. Inter would sell Icardi for the right price.
I don't see 150 million fixing our problems much.
for 150 million, i can find 5 friends and we will fix our problems by kidnapping Pep and tossing him in the atlantic ocean.
As opposed to..?
I see a shit load of complaining and people acting like mourinho can't see what's in front of his face - but nobody saying how the squad he took from van gaal should have been rebuilt to a title winning/competing side in 2 years with 280. This masterplan needs to include clearing out then replacing all players not good enough in your esteemed view
Put your money where your mouth is you sad unhappy unfulfilled whinge bags
Put your money where your mouth is you sad unhappy unfulfilled whinge bags
I can name City, Chelsea games to show eactly how poor his link up is and how many times he lost the ball.
But
the gap between your Players Inherited (PI) and your rivals PI is multiplied by X (an unknown quantity) where Subsequent Purchases in the Transfer Market (SPTM) are shit.
Fan boys should calm down a bit. Go and check how much Pep spent and their average spend per season.