You missed the point it seems.
Mourinho : "Transfer spend is not enough"
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Yes 5th place. He has won two trophies and we are in 2nd place now despite our best player being injured for over 2 months. Have some perspective.
We haven't won a match since he came back - might be time to bench that excuse.
We beat Arsenal mate. If you think his absence had no affect on our points total or our play you're just deluded.
We haven’t lost either.
Tell you what, Pogba hasn’t lost a league game this season. @haram is correct - get some perspective!
i dont think Mourinho has made a statement like this pretty much saying he cant compete, usually he is sniping defiance. We dont play City every week, weve not won against Bristol ,Leicester and Burnley at home. We do curl up in a fetus when we play a half decent side. What used to work for him doesnt anymore
This Guardian article is pretty much spot on:
https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...-he-says-manchester-united-are-not-a-big-team
https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...-he-says-manchester-united-are-not-a-big-team
You weren’t saying this when he defeated Arsenal & Spurs.
The same Burnley were not defeated at Anfield. Burnley destroyed Chelsea and they didn’t lose at Spurs.
Couldn’t it just be that Burnley are very good this year? Huh?
Don't expect it from that poster.
I'm sure I watched us lose against Bristol City last week.
I say back Jose all the way.
The only one of his 7 signings so far that we can conclude as being fairly shit and/or not suiting us is Mkhitaryan.
Matic, Pogba, Ibrahimovic, Bailly: all decent signings.
Lukaku: not the greatest striker of all time, no, but there was only him and Morata available and I think Morata preferred London didn’t he? So, the best available of an underwhelming bunch.
Lindelof. Too early to say, but looks like he’ll improve.
He’s also got rid of Rooney, Schweinsteiger, Scheiderlin...
He knows what he’s doing. He just took a big job on that will take a little more time and money.
Don’t forget, ordinarily, we’d be doing pretty well in seasons gone by. City have raised the bar, but if anyone can spoil Pep’s party, it’s definitely Jose.
The only one of his 7 signings so far that we can conclude as being fairly shit and/or not suiting us is Mkhitaryan.
Matic, Pogba, Ibrahimovic, Bailly: all decent signings.
Lukaku: not the greatest striker of all time, no, but there was only him and Morata available and I think Morata preferred London didn’t he? So, the best available of an underwhelming bunch.
Lindelof. Too early to say, but looks like he’ll improve.
He’s also got rid of Rooney, Schweinsteiger, Scheiderlin...
He knows what he’s doing. He just took a big job on that will take a little more time and money.
Don’t forget, ordinarily, we’d be doing pretty well in seasons gone by. City have raised the bar, but if anyone can spoil Pep’s party, it’s definitely Jose.
How does that count? Was the Bristol City tie a Premier League competition?
I’m not a big fan of him blaming it on money. Yes City have spent better. However the hypocrisy of what he is spouting is ridiculous. if a club like Burnley can compete with us when they spend far far less than us then...
Compete how? On a one off game? No team will win every game. Chelsea, Liverpool and Spurs all failed to beat Burnley as well. In fact I think Burnley beat both Spurs and Chelsea. Jose is talking about competing with City.
What are you talking about man?
Mendy and Walker were 50 million or more buys. Danilo was bought for around 30 million.
On top of that, Mendy only played 4 games and Danilo is acting as a squad player.
So essentially, only walker was used in this season out of the 3 full backs we bought.
So 87 million worth of talent is not getting used in form of Mendy and Danilo.
Other than Ederson and Walker, its the same Manchester City team as last year, But we still have burned the roof down
If you analyze, its PEP who has drastically improved all the players. Its quite visible in the results that we have achieved.
So we are second most spending side in the league, right? Does it mean that if we finish below second there is at least one manager who did better than Jose despite having less resources? Also, if City continue to spend more than us this summer does it mean that Jose finishing below them is a normal thing and still shows that he is a great manager? How about Champions League? If we are knocked out by a team that has spent less than us in Jose's third season, does it still make him a top manager?
Exactly. Actually from all that team, the only players that have survived are Aguero, Silva and De Bruyne. Kompany and Toure don't even play. And yes, almost forgot Delph.
On the other side, we have as starters De Gea, Valencia, Smalling, Jones and Young, essentially the entire defense with many others as reserves (Rojo, Blind, Shaw, Darmian) in addition to Rashford, Martial, Mata, Lingard and so on. There are more players that Mourinho inherited than Pep.
Excuses, excuses!
Over the season Burnley are closer to us than we are to Man City. Surely if it's just about money that shouldn't be the case?
We are still building a team. We are about where City were last year and are about level with Chelsea now. Large amount of our spending under Mourinho was to sign Lukaku and Pogba. In comparison Conte already had players who had recently won the league, and players like Hazard, Costa etc. He didn't have to pay to sign such players. He then added to it with Luiz, Kante etc. People forget we were lagging behind everyone when Jose first came in.
In regards to the CL, knockout football isn't really the same as the league.
Burnley are having a very good season so far, what's your point?
I find it tedious when people praise Burnley and say "it only cost x % of what some other side cost". This fails to acknowledge any context whatsoever.
1. Lesser sides have very low expectations, which we have found with United destroys quite a few players who can't live with the expectation.
2. Anyone who watched the Burnley game will have seen a team that got one lucky goal and a free kick, without really doing anything other than defend the whole game.
3. What a team cost does not thereby indicate its quality or balance. Especially if the combined amount is accrued under 4 different managers with different approaches (and ability).
4. What a player costs for a big club and for everyone else tends to be drastically different.
5. When a manager for a small club is praised for good results that's due, but when pundits ask why such and such isn't given a chance for a big club, when said manager has only ever played defensive football, it is a repetition of the Moyes-mistake. If you bring on a small club playing good football, it is a different story.
There are other factors, but I wanted to lay out a few. I also thought Joey Barton would have realised that it is very different to perform for a club with no expectations and a big club with big expectations, he never managed the latter.
1. Lesser sides have very low expectations, which we have found with United destroys quite a few players who can't live with the expectation.
2. Anyone who watched the Burnley game will have seen a team that got one lucky goal and a free kick, without really doing anything other than defend the whole game.
3. What a team cost does not thereby indicate its quality or balance. Especially if the combined amount is accrued under 4 different managers with different approaches (and ability).
4. What a player costs for a big club and for everyone else tends to be drastically different.
5. When a manager for a small club is praised for good results that's due, but when pundits ask why such and such isn't given a chance for a big club, when said manager has only ever played defensive football, it is a repetition of the Moyes-mistake. If you bring on a small club playing good football, it is a different story.
There are other factors, but I wanted to lay out a few. I also thought Joey Barton would have realised that it is very different to perform for a club with no expectations and a big club with big expectations, he never managed the latter.
We are in course for an 82 points season. With exceptions (like 2010-2011) this is hardly a title challenge even if City weren't winning every match.
Whoa. So now we are rebuilding. Only us, others are not? If other teams are not buying as much as we are, it does not mean they are not willing, it means they can't afford. Liver fecking pool and Totten fecking ham would love to rebuild as much as we do, but they just can't afford. Before last season start we were worse than 5 teams squad-wise even including Jose's purchases in summer 2016? Everyone is rebuilding, if we finish below second it means that somebody did a much better job than Jose. Conte did a miracle then after coming in to a new league and walking it in his first season despite having spent peanuts compared to us and City. I am sure that City fans here will admit that Conte did better than Pep in his first season and won't search for excuses.
He also inherited Sterling and Otamendi which cost £90 million and start every week. Silva, Aguero, Otamendi, Sterling, De Bruyne, Fernandinho all start every week and had previously challenged for the league and were part of a team which was consistently finishing higher than us before Jose came. Add to the fact that Van gaal and Moyes caused damage Jose also had to rectify. When Jose stepped in he had to soend half of his 300 mill spend on just Lukaku and Pogba. In comparison City didn't have to fork out for De Bruyne and Aguero and could spend elsewhere. They were clearly ahead of us and still ahead of us and will CONTINUE to spend.
The only players we had who had challenged for the league are the defenders Jones and Smalling. Our keeper, and two ex wingers who are now fullbacks. Then players like Rooney and Carrick who were by FAR past their best.
Players like Darmian and Blind are not good enough to challenge for the league. That is why Pep got rid of players like Kolarov and Sagna. Jose could not get rid and revamp the fullback spots because we had spent money catching up in the first place. Van Gaal did a lot of damage. The players he signed wete good enough to challenge for the top 4, not the league.
Whoa. So now we are rebuilding. Only us, others are not? If other teams are not buying as much as we are, it does not mean they are not willing, it means they can't afford. Liver fecking pool and Totten fecking ham would love to rebuild as much as we do, but they just can't afford. Before last season start we were worse than 5 teams squad-wise even including Jose's purchases in summer 2016? Everyone is rebuilding, if we finish below second it means that somebody did a much better job than Jose. Conte did a miracle then after coming in to a new league and walking it in his first season despite having spent peanuts compared to us and City. I am sure that City fans here will admit that Conte did better than Pep in his first season and won't search for excuses.
The quote was we haven't lost since he came back, and, we have.
Jose is rebuilding a team damaged by van gaal and filled with players not suited to title challenging. We can ring off names like Depay, Darmian, Schneiderlin etc. We were behind everyone to begin with when Jose came in. In terms of how we were playing AND personnel.
Conte did not spend peanuts. Kante, Luiz, Batshuayi, Alonso were not cheap.
You forgot Sterling. Essentially, their 4 best players. United's 3 best outfield players meanwhile are Pogba, Lukaku and Matic. City had the best squad in the league in 15/16, they massively underperformed. United underperformed some, too, but nowhere near the level of city. Those 4 plus a decent team around them will get you top 4 in the PL. The side Mou inherited doesn't finish close to top 4 this season
City didn't spend striker money on fullbacks because their owners are super-duper rich and don't care about it. They did it because that's what they needed. Because they didn't have to spend that money on strikers and midfielders
And while we're at it, Jose has not only spent to rectify mistakes by Moyes and van Gaal, 90m went to rectify SAFs biggest mistake.
Transfer spend is not enough should be followed by Ba Dum Tss!
I thought that Sterling was a Pep signing, but you're right and forgot about Otamendi and Fernandinho. Still, we have more players in the team that Jose inherited than Pep does. They have 3 absolute quality players in Aguero, De Bruyne and Silva, while we have only one in De Gea, but we have more inherited depth than them.
Jose hasn't spent the money that wisely and now is complaining. Conte had less last year and won the title.
Jose left Chelsea close to relegation. Fact. How much did Conte spend in his first summer with Chelsea? What league position United were in when Jose took over? How much did United and City spend in the summer of 2016?
Conte had players like Hazard and Costa in his team that he didnt have to go out and buy. He still went and added over £100 million worth of players to his side. We have been lagging behind Chelsea and City for a number of years now. Jose signing Lukaku and Pogba is trying to catch up. That is half of the 300 he has spent.
You arguement that we had more depth than City is also a bit weak. They had a better team and added to it. That's why they are still above us.
2nd most number of saves in the premier league. Only Fabianski has more. Pretty damning for a club that is second.
he wasn't moaning about not being able to compete with City then. He was happily shushing the camera after Spurs though. Arsenal smashed us, bar DeGea having the game of his life
That is a good point.
It was a bit of a false position. The players down tools. It was not to do with them not having good players. They just had won the league the year before. They still had top players like Hazard, Costa etc. It's not like Conte had to go out and sign these players.
Jose had to go out and sign Lukaku and Pogba. The only top outfield player we really had was Martial. And he has never challenged for the league anyway.
We finished 6th in his first season which is lower than LVG. We are currently 2nd albeit have been very indifferent in our form. We have no cohesiveness in attack. In the past week, we have struggled to break down Bristol City, Leicester and Burnley. We hung on against WBA but only just. This is basic stuff, we adopt a park the bus approach in the big games which is just pathetic for our club. Jose has had 3 transfer windows to get things right yet he still moans.
You fail to mention that we haven't outscored Liverpool who I used as an example yet you conveniently left out. If we had a cohesive attack, we would be killing teams off not hanging on by the skin of our teeth in the last few minutes. We are 2nd now yes but we have blown that advantage over the other teams as well. Our attacking play which is what I am referring to is not good enough, we have scored goals yes, but can you honestly say our attacking play and creativity is good enough?
Jose decided to stick with most of the deadwood fergie, VG and moyes left behind, he wants a better playing staff but we saw very little changes from 2015 to currently, he spends 86 million of it on lukaku, where was the plan B beyond perisic? we moaned our attacking players need improving, yet we still see lingard, young, mata, rashford playing on the wings, now we are seeing valencia and young has our fullbacks. I do feel some of our attacking players our no10 and 9 in mkhi and lukaku may look like busted flushes, we have very little quality out wide so we reduce ourselves to mata, mkhi, martial and rashford on the wings yet again just like last year. I do question why smalling, jones, valencia, young, blind, mata, fellaini, lingard, were not improved upon, and we pile on martial, lukaku and mkhi are also have not improved the side going forward, while throwing in an ageing zlaten, problems pile up. It feels like another 5 year rebuilding plan on top of our poor planning of summer 2009-12 transfer recruitment, which were exposed against city when we lost 6-1 at OT in 2011. Not to mention appointing Moyes and VG has set us back years, and Jose not really seeing the deadwood moved on, but embracing it, has just added insult to injury.
So in short
- summer 2009-12 poor planning in recruitment and selling ronaldo
- fergie leaving we made catastrophic error's who we appointed since
- Jose not replacing the mediocre players
- still playing players out of position
- and the previous managers players still stinking up the place
So in short
- summer 2009-12 poor planning in recruitment and selling ronaldo
- fergie leaving we made catastrophic error's who we appointed since
- Jose not replacing the mediocre players
- still playing players out of position
- and the previous managers players still stinking up the place
So thats your answer. Still waiting on those numerous games.