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Mourinho to United | Officially Announced
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I can almost see LVG leaving in his car smoking a big fat cigar with the theme song of Sopranos playing
Woke up this morning
And got myself the sack!
Woody always said he'd be
The Chosen One.
Woke up this morning
And got myself the sack!
Woody always said he'd be
The Chosen One.
He meant dogging.
Would love Red Nev to be part of this
I hope it's not Keane though. Can see a lot of problems if he joins.
Sky Sports News have footage of Mourinho getting in a car a few minutes ago, so he's either going to Manchester or he's off to Asda.
Isnt his agent coming in only tomorrow so we might have to wait till Tuesday to see Mou at Carrington.
A good number of our players either need to be shifted out the door, or kicked in the arse. Get Keano in and he'll literally kick some ass.
Asda it is then.
He's off to Asda then.
... but surely Giggs would be more suitable?
No, dogging is when you shag random stranger's wives, not your brother's
True but he also has a big ego and Mou also has a big ego. They wont work well me feels. There might be a problem down the road when they disagree. It not a case of "if" they disagree its a case of "when".
How's that strange then? It explains it perfectly.
I've got Sky Sports News in the background.
And a lot of non MUFC (former LFC players) pundits all seem against us hiring Jose.
And a lot of non MUFC (former LFC players) pundits all seem against us hiring Jose.
Well we will find out in 12 months if its the right decision. Jose is going to shut those feckers up.
He usually takes a little longer than that to implode tbh
They loved the time under LvG. Scared now.
Matthew Syed: Shameless Mourinho and his clique not fit to inherit the club that Busby built
The Portuguese may bring success in the short term, but at what cost to United’s reputation?
Matthew Syed | Columnist of the Year May 23 2016, 12:01am, The Times
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/m...0?shareToken=fdf7c13afacf59777230cecd95fb971d
As the story has started, so it will continue. Speculation was rife last night that the leak which revealed that Louis van Gaal was to be sacked had come directly from the camp of his putative successor. Van Gaal was not even afforded the dignity of enjoying the sweetest moment of his tenure: winning the FA Cup.
But this is the crassness that Manchester United fans must get used to as a new clique readies itself to be installed at the helm of their club. Regardless of the source of the story, it has been clear for years that José Mourinho, the man who has cast such a long shadow over Old Trafford, and his advisers, such as the loathsome Jorge Mendes, have no conception of grace or honour.
In appointing Mourinho, the Manchester United board have taken a vast gamble. The wider context is worth considering, here. The United brand has undergone corrosion of late. The owners, capitalists in tooth and claw, have sweated the club for all it is worth, reaching deals with noodle companies, alcohol brands, casinos and big pharma. They have sucked millions from the club in dividends and debt repayments, although they also had the scope to invest £250 million in deals for new players.
But they know that the club requires success to retain their cachet. The problem with David Moyes was simple: poor results. With Van Gaal, the same problem was exemplified by a failure to reach the Champions League, such a crucial component of the club’s global aspirations, and compounded by a style that was altogether too regimented and lacking in flair. It is noteworthy that United’s total of 49 goals in the Premier League this season was the lowest for more than a quarter of a century.
So now, if the leak is to be believed, the United board have thrown their lot in with one of the few managers in football who can credibly claim the mantle “proven winner”. So desperate are the club for a man who can propel them into the Champions League that they have ridden roughshod over the concerns of some directors, who have witnessed the trail of destruction that Mourinho has left in his wake at every club he has touched.
It sets up the most fascinating of social experiments. United have one of the most powerful of histories. The Munich air disaster, the tragedy that brought a nation to a standstill, still resonates down the ages. The Busby Babes, the black and white photos of those young men, so proud to wear the club’s jersey, so tragically lost on a snowy runway, remain icons to a new generation of fans.
Sir Matt Busby, a Scot who understood the importance of community and philosophy, rebuilt the club from the ashes of the runway. He dared to believe that a club, a city, could be rejuvenated. The redemptive climax of the European Cup in 1968 (with players holding the trophy aloft who had themselves been rescued from the stricken jet) is a key reason why United have such a powerful mystique. The history and the present are intertwined.
Sir Alex Ferguson understood these traditions. He was by no means perfect (this column has chronicled his excesses) but he would peer down from his office at the Cliff training ground, aware that his young players were following in historic footsteps, always emphasising a philosophy of attacking football, of youth, of width and, most importantly, the pride in the shirt. “Under his leadership, United was not just a club,” Gary Neville told me. “We felt like part of a living history.”
When Ferguson left, the club faltered. He had been there so long, the club danced so completely to his inimitable beat, that perhaps this was inevitable. The club couldn’t disentangle themselves from the dynamics of his connection to their most basic functions, just as Wilf McGuinness and Frank O’Farrell faltered in the aftermath of Busby. This is one of the problems when an institution is run with absolutism. As one colleague put it: who ever heard of Attila the Second?
Given time, however, United would have rediscovered their mojo. A new manager, sufficiently separated in space and time from Ferguson, would have brought the club back to glory. But in appointing Mourinho, the board have taken a vast gamble. They are confident that the Portuguese will improve short-term results, but what then? I sense no appetite from fans to have a manager, even a moderately successful one, who brings the club into disrepute, as he surely will.
Do we need to list his shameless antics? Do we need to chronicle the stabbing of his finger into the eye of a rival manager, the impugning of ballboys, the allegations of bias against officials (in one case, leading to death threats against a referee), the insinuations of corruption against a rival club?
At Chelsea, the players got sick of him. Like most young men, they were initially intrigued by his vanity and swayed by his ludicrous claim that the world was against them, and that they had to fight to rectify this injustice. But eventually, just like the Real Madrid players — who witnessed him getting banished from the dugout during a Copa del Rey final, storming out of the stadium without collecting his loser’s medal from the King of Spain, and then insulting the referee again in the car park — they became ashamed. The Eva Carneiro incident — wherever the truth may lie — was, in many ways, the final straw.
Given his behaviour, it is almost an afterthought to mention the insistent worry that an astonishing number of Mourinho’s signings have gone through Mendes, who has engorged himself on the expenditure of his star client. According to a story from 2014, Mourinho had made at least 12 purchases through Mendes while at Chelsea, Real Madrid and Inter Milan. It will be interesting to see if the pattern repeats at United.
Where Busby created a dynasty, Mourinho is too immature to understand the concept. The United board are effectively trading the value of a short-term uplift in results on the risk of a man whose narcissistic tendencies shame football, and could contaminate the club’s reputation. For neutrals, the dynamics are going to prove intriguing. My hunch is that United fans will come to rue the appointment of a man who stole the limelight on the very day his predecessor won the FA Cup.
The Portuguese may bring success in the short term, but at what cost to United’s reputation?
Matthew Syed | Columnist of the Year May 23 2016, 12:01am, The Times
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/m...0?shareToken=fdf7c13afacf59777230cecd95fb971d
As the story has started, so it will continue. Speculation was rife last night that the leak which revealed that Louis van Gaal was to be sacked had come directly from the camp of his putative successor. Van Gaal was not even afforded the dignity of enjoying the sweetest moment of his tenure: winning the FA Cup.
But this is the crassness that Manchester United fans must get used to as a new clique readies itself to be installed at the helm of their club. Regardless of the source of the story, it has been clear for years that José Mourinho, the man who has cast such a long shadow over Old Trafford, and his advisers, such as the loathsome Jorge Mendes, have no conception of grace or honour.
In appointing Mourinho, the Manchester United board have taken a vast gamble. The wider context is worth considering, here. The United brand has undergone corrosion of late. The owners, capitalists in tooth and claw, have sweated the club for all it is worth, reaching deals with noodle companies, alcohol brands, casinos and big pharma. They have sucked millions from the club in dividends and debt repayments, although they also had the scope to invest £250 million in deals for new players.
But they know that the club requires success to retain their cachet. The problem with David Moyes was simple: poor results. With Van Gaal, the same problem was exemplified by a failure to reach the Champions League, such a crucial component of the club’s global aspirations, and compounded by a style that was altogether too regimented and lacking in flair. It is noteworthy that United’s total of 49 goals in the Premier League this season was the lowest for more than a quarter of a century.
So now, if the leak is to be believed, the United board have thrown their lot in with one of the few managers in football who can credibly claim the mantle “proven winner”. So desperate are the club for a man who can propel them into the Champions League that they have ridden roughshod over the concerns of some directors, who have witnessed the trail of destruction that Mourinho has left in his wake at every club he has touched.
It sets up the most fascinating of social experiments. United have one of the most powerful of histories. The Munich air disaster, the tragedy that brought a nation to a standstill, still resonates down the ages. The Busby Babes, the black and white photos of those young men, so proud to wear the club’s jersey, so tragically lost on a snowy runway, remain icons to a new generation of fans.
Sir Matt Busby, a Scot who understood the importance of community and philosophy, rebuilt the club from the ashes of the runway. He dared to believe that a club, a city, could be rejuvenated. The redemptive climax of the European Cup in 1968 (with players holding the trophy aloft who had themselves been rescued from the stricken jet) is a key reason why United have such a powerful mystique. The history and the present are intertwined.
Sir Alex Ferguson understood these traditions. He was by no means perfect (this column has chronicled his excesses) but he would peer down from his office at the Cliff training ground, aware that his young players were following in historic footsteps, always emphasising a philosophy of attacking football, of youth, of width and, most importantly, the pride in the shirt. “Under his leadership, United was not just a club,” Gary Neville told me. “We felt like part of a living history.”
When Ferguson left, the club faltered. He had been there so long, the club danced so completely to his inimitable beat, that perhaps this was inevitable. The club couldn’t disentangle themselves from the dynamics of his connection to their most basic functions, just as Wilf McGuinness and Frank O’Farrell faltered in the aftermath of Busby. This is one of the problems when an institution is run with absolutism. As one colleague put it: who ever heard of Attila the Second?
Given time, however, United would have rediscovered their mojo. A new manager, sufficiently separated in space and time from Ferguson, would have brought the club back to glory. But in appointing Mourinho, the board have taken a vast gamble. They are confident that the Portuguese will improve short-term results, but what then? I sense no appetite from fans to have a manager, even a moderately successful one, who brings the club into disrepute, as he surely will.
Do we need to list his shameless antics? Do we need to chronicle the stabbing of his finger into the eye of a rival manager, the impugning of ballboys, the allegations of bias against officials (in one case, leading to death threats against a referee), the insinuations of corruption against a rival club?
At Chelsea, the players got sick of him. Like most young men, they were initially intrigued by his vanity and swayed by his ludicrous claim that the world was against them, and that they had to fight to rectify this injustice. But eventually, just like the Real Madrid players — who witnessed him getting banished from the dugout during a Copa del Rey final, storming out of the stadium without collecting his loser’s medal from the King of Spain, and then insulting the referee again in the car park — they became ashamed. The Eva Carneiro incident — wherever the truth may lie — was, in many ways, the final straw.
Given his behaviour, it is almost an afterthought to mention the insistent worry that an astonishing number of Mourinho’s signings have gone through Mendes, who has engorged himself on the expenditure of his star client. According to a story from 2014, Mourinho had made at least 12 purchases through Mendes while at Chelsea, Real Madrid and Inter Milan. It will be interesting to see if the pattern repeats at United.
Where Busby created a dynasty, Mourinho is too immature to understand the concept. The United board are effectively trading the value of a short-term uplift in results on the risk of a man whose narcissistic tendencies shame football, and could contaminate the club’s reputation. For neutrals, the dynamics are going to prove intriguing. My hunch is that United fans will come to rue the appointment of a man who stole the limelight on the very day his predecessor won the FA Cup.
So many non-United people are just sour because we are appointing him. Keep talking about him and how he wont make it here. Its all just added ammunition for Mou.
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Who the feck is Matthew Syed? Never heard of him.
Any article criticising the appointment of Mourinho based on his behaviour that neglects to balance it with comment on Ferguson's questionable behaviour over the years is not worth the paper its written on.
Except Rashford isn't 16, he isn't playing 40 plus games as a 16 year old, he'll be almost 19 having played less than a dozen first team matches, there's ample evidence of players playing regular football at that age without falling off a cliff before they are 30 like Rooney did. Infact Messi made his debut a good two years before Rashford did, the same with Ronaldo. Even if we look at an extreme example in Totti, a player who is still playing first team football at 39 made his debut at 16 and become a regular by the time he was 18.
So much of it is in a players genetic make up and their own discipline, Rooney is at the shallow end in both respects, Rashford isn't.
Nothing better than Mourinho with a point to prove....
Matthew Syed is a good journo. Don't agree with all he says but he's generally very sensible.
Would rather have LVG for one more year than Mou to be honest. Loved hating him at Chelsea. Can't bare to think about cheering hiim on at United. Feel like puking...
Probably Matalan
Putting your personal feelings before what's best for the club is just wrong!
err, just about the most reputed sports journalist around?!
He is a pretty good journalist, but he really does hate Mourinho.
We'll have a whip round to buy him a bucket.
They slagged us when we went with romanticism, as in signing Moyes, the man cut from the same cloth as SAF apparently. Now we thankfully drop all of the ''United way'' bullcrap that's hindered us for so long and sign the best manager in world football, we have lost our soul? feck off.
And Roman.
Is he really 'best for the club'? I seriously doubt it.
Mourinho and Zlatan, can it get any better?I hope you can stop yourself from puking when he lifts the PL trophy
Aww you going to be ok mate?
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