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Twisted_Woody said:
As much as this season has sucked under LvG are we really going to reward an our first post Sir Alex trophy with a sacking?

We seem to be building in the right direction, especially when you look at the past 3 years as a whole. Seems entitled to assume we are destined for 4th place at a minimum.

We tied on points FFS. Had the players not been shambolic against West Ham we'd have had it and an FA Cup which would have been a net improvement on last year.
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This argument has been done to death before.
Basically LVG (and Moyes before him), together broke so many negative records (too many to mention), that if you had told someone 3 years ago that this would happen nobody would've believed you.
And to be the most boring team to watch, in the league is not a nice tag to have.
With this in mind, yes, it was right to sack Moyes and then LVG, so we could bring in arguably the best manager the World (for the EPL) who should've been SAF's replacement in the first place.
 
There is always someone that says something that goes against the grain so they can be different with a "exclusive" story, end of the day it always ends up at the same outcome.
 
Jose Mourinho divides opinions, that much is evident by the reactions on the cafe about the leaks from Mendes' camp tonight.

And while he may come across as a t**t at times, the man is a serial winner. We actually had a manager not too dissimilar to him for a long time. Love him or hate him (as i'm sure a lot of opposition clubs do!) the guy knows what it takes to win.

I think that we should have appointed him after SAF retired, and truly believe that he would have got a lot more out of the post SAF side than Moyes did given his reputation and standing as a coach. And as a result, our "transition" would have been much less painful.

I firmly believe that Mourinho wants to create a legacy at a club before taking the Portugal job and retiring and I believe that at Man Utd, he will be given the time and support to do so that he was never afforded at Chelsea.

The United job is his golden ticket, His last chance saloon to prove himself as a truly great coach and I think that he will know that and will embrace it knowing that the sack will not be lurking if he has a few dodgy results.

I see good times ahead for our club,and hope that he embraces the ethos of our club and moves us forward again.
 
Spock said:
Your point is well taken but you really can't argue we made any real progress this season over last.

If nothing else, it would have been madness to keep LVG for a lame duck season. He either needed to be sacked or have his contract extended. The latter would have been suicidal for club, on and off the pitch.
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The lame duck point is very valid but the all involved could have handled it much better. If I recall correctly it was publicized that LvG only wanted a 2 year contract to begin with - it would have made more sense to let him resign with some dignity. I'm not impressed by Mourinho's camp leaking this.

MoskvaRed said:
I disagree. Last season was a reasonably comfortable 4th, this season we fell well off the pace and were only in the race due to City's ineptitude. Plus the goal difference was enormous - not the result of a flukey 10 goal head to head swing like in 2012 but just a result of impotence in attack. The question asked of any United manager should be whether he can challenge for the league title. I don't believe Van Gaal can.
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I think he can, but as @Spock pointed out he will be a lame duck next year.

sunama said:
This argument has been done to death before.
Basically LVG (and Moyes before him), together broke so many negative records (too many to mention), that if you had told someone 3 years ago that this would happen nobody would've believed you.
And to be the most boring team to watch, in the league is not a nice tag to have.
With this in mind, yes, it was right to sack Moyes and then LVG, so we could bring in arguably the best manager the World (for the EPL) who should've been SAF's replacement in the first place.
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Not sure I agree with everything you posted. Moyes took the champions and destroyed them starting with the coaching staff. LvG has been picking up the pieces of that destruction. I'd take LvG over Moyes any day of the week. That said @Spock has made a good point but LvG should be shown some respect at the very least.

Getting booed and lambasted in the media is ridiculous for a manager who has won the first post Sir Alex cup.

It seems like every time we win a cup the media coverage finds a way to turn negative. I recall after 2008 the entire conversation was on Ronaldo leaving for Madrid. It was annoying to say the least.
 
MoskvaRed said:
As opposed to the available sure thing that is...? Appointing Moyes was a 100%, no hindsight needed, mistake. The only people who welcomed that appointment supported Liverppol or City or were incredibly stupid. Mourinho on the other hand is a risk worth taking - a proven winner on a short term basis with question marks over his longer term impact plus he is undoubtedly a prick. But he is surely the best available option.
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Well said!


Dobba said:
Unless they turn out to be shit, in which case they were forced on him by the owner.
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:lol:
 
Red Defence said:
I suppose the usual will happen. He completely change the squad, all our faves will be sold. Then after 2 years the players will turn against him....happened twice at Chelsea and things weren't good at Real in his 3rd year. Then he'll be sacked. He never seems to last long at a club so enjoy it the first year.
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I have my reservations about him too. But what if we can provide the proper environment for him to put down roots and deliver sustained excellence?
 
Twisted_Woody said:
Not sure I agree with everything you posted. Moyes took the champions and destroyed them starting with the coaching staff. LvG has been picking up the pieces of that destruction. I'd take LvG over Moyes any day of the week. That said @Spock has made a good point but LvG should be shown some respect at the very least.
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I'll never understand why Moyes thought it was a good idea to take over a title winning side from a manager who had been successful over a period of 25 years and replace the coaching staff with a bunch of nobodies from Everton. You wouldn't sell Robin Van Persie and replaced him with Yakubu and thought you could win titles, right?

This after Ferguson himself emphasised how important it was to keep the non playing staff and maintain a sense of continuity.

It looked a questionable move back then and looks even more idiotic now.
 
NinjaZombie said:
I'll never understand why Moyes thought it was a good idea to take over a title winning side from a manager who had been successful over a period of 25 years and replace the coaching staff with a bunch of nobodies from Everton. You wouldn't sell Robin Van Persie and replaced him with Yakubu and thought you could win titles, right?

This after Ferguson himself emphasised how important it was to keep the non playing staff and maintain a sense of continuity.

It looked a questionable move back then and looks even more idiotic now.
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And the club has been paying for it every since. When I found out Moyes made that decision I said it was he'd gotten himself fired before even starting in the job.

How can you look at the Sir Alex and respond to his advice regarding keeping the coaching staff by sacking them and have any credibility left.
 
NinjaZombie said:
I'll never understand why Moyes thought it was a good idea to take over a title winning side from a manager who had been successful over a period of 25 years and replace the coaching staff with a bunch of nobodies from Everton. You wouldn't sell Robin Van Persie and replaced him with Yakubu and thought you could win titles, right?

This after Ferguson himself emphasised how important it was to keep the non playing staff and maintain a sense of continuity.

It looked a questionable move back then and looks even more idiotic now.
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It was a simple case of making a comfortable working environment for himself with coaches that will look up to him. I think he worried, maybe rightly so, that he'd find it difficult to hold authority alongside a coaching team that is used to Ferguson at the helm.

That and he didn't want to be the man tasked with teaching Phelan to use an iPad.
 
Pexbo said:
It was a simple case of making a comfortable working environment for himself with coaches that will look up to him. I think he worried, maybe rightly so, that he'd find it difficult to hold authority alongside a coaching team that is used to Ferguson at the helm.

That and he didn't want to be the man tasked with teaching Phelan to use an iPad.
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I think he was well justified in thinking that. His authority wouldn't have been much of a problem if he'd came with a better pedigree than "I almost took Everton to the CL once" mind.

It was shambolic appointment, wasn't it? :lol:
 
Mister_Stubbs said:
In what sense? That you don't think Jose is the right man or that you wanted LVG to be given more time?
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Crackers said:
Thing is, what other options do we have left? Giggs? Koeman? Conte? Ancelloti? He's the most ideal solution...
Everyone has their own feelings on this, and I accept that but time is running out. If we dither on this, we'll pay the price.
And, I think Mourinho now has a point to prove, and has always wanted to manager us. I think we're going to be pleasantly surprised.
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ken11 said:
Who did you want? Or did you want LVG to stay?
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It's not that I want LvG to stay, he's clearly not been a success here and I'm one of many who've grown very tired of the boring, tumescent, sideways football we serve up. My concern is that we may see more of the same under Mourinho, that said, Crackers is right; there are no viable alternatives at this time. I want Pochettino but it's just not going to happen, my inner romantic wants Solskjaer but that would be a total shot in the dark and a very bad idea.
 
NinjaZombie said:
I'll never understand why Moyes thought it was a good idea to take over a title winning side from a manager who had been successful over a period of 25 years and replace the coaching staff with a bunch of nobodies from Everton. You wouldn't sell Robin Van Persie and replaced him with Yakubu and thought you could win titles, right?

This after Ferguson himself emphasised how important it was to keep the non playing staff and maintain a sense of continuity.

It looked a questionable move back then and looks even more idiotic now.
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This kind of highlights how dreadful the appointment was. If it was a top manager absolutely nobody would question him bringing the coaching staff. But we all knew, if there was even a minute chance of him succeeding it would because of him getting baby sitted by Fergusons old staff.
 
If this is Mourinho 's side leaking this information then it's just so typical of the classless git.
 
I think the idea that Mourinho plays negative football is overstated. His past teams can blow the smaller teams out of the park.

Sure he goes conservative in the big games with other title contenders but that's not such a bad thing isn't it? Win the rest of the games, don't lose 12 pointers against other title contenders, win the league.
 
Is this really happening? A trophy and a new manager seems a bit surreal. Just goes to show how badly we need to step it up next season.
 
Mourinho and Guardiola managing in the same city will be interesting.
 
NinjaZombie said:
I think the idea that Mourinho plays negative football is overstated. His past teams can blow the smaller teams out of the park.

Sure he goes conservative in the big games with other title contenders but that's not such a bad thing isn't it? Win the rest of the games, don't lose 12 pointers against other title contenders, win the league.
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Yeah, at the risk of contradicting myself (as somebody who fears more backwards football) - what you can say for Mourinho is he does have one of the highest win ratios of any manager in Europe. Along with the record 95 points he got with Chelsea that season a while back, his teams can't be that goal shy.
 
Mitchell Nicholas said:
Mourinho and Guardiola managing in the same city will be interesting.
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The Emptihad is going to be a bit of a come down for Pep after the Camp Nou and Allianz.

Though I'm sure Jose won't bring this up.
 
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Mitchell Nicholas said:
Mourinho and Guardiola managing in the same city will be interesting.
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...and we may well have an edge in having the man who already knows the league, the tactics of many other managers and is used to living and managing in England.

Like I said I'm not delighted about this, but I just have to get behind him after what we've seen under Van Gaal, especially this season.
 
Mitchell Nicholas said:
Mourinho and Guardiola managing in the same city will be interesting.
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To have this in the same city is very exciting
 
BBC reporting it means it is done. They are THE most careful news reporters in the UK and they very rarely, if ever, publish something untrue. We have Mourinho and the FA Cup :drool:
 
I know a guy at Sky Sports and word is its been basically done for ages, open secret. Don't let the hair follically challenged one worry you, it seems odd how he seems to have one objective only.
 
Phil said:
I know a guy at Sky Sports and word is its been basically done for ages, open secret. Don't let the hair follically challenged one worry you, it seems odd how he seems to have one objective only.
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To be honest it does feel like it's been done for ages, it's just good to get a solid confirmation.
 
Ibi Dreams said:
BBC reporting it means it is done. They are THE most careful news reporters in the UK and they very rarely, if ever, publish something untrue. We have Mourinho and the FA Cup :drool:
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Not just that - they have it as the third headline on the BBC News web site, their source must be phenomenal to earn that spot.
 
DarkXaero said:
Confirmation of this is also another strike against Balague's credibility, who was adamant that we were sticking with LVG next season.


https://uk.sports.yahoo.com/news/manchester-united-plan-keep-van-164255638.html
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He's your classic bullshitter, he'll just say "things changed after ... happened, so I was actually right all along". Just like Sir Scalpalot will tweet in a couple of days "NOW it's been agreed, just had it confirmed by my impeccable completely not imaginary sources" and then bask in the retweets.
 
Damn what a lineup next season - Mourinho v. Guardiola v. Klopp v. Wenger v. Pochettino v. Conte.
 
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