Mourinho tells Paul Pogba he'll never captain Manchester United again

Sultan said:
Only Shaw has improved. What's to say he was restricted by his injuries and now fulfilling his vast potential. He's also in the final year of his contract. He has basically no choice but to bust a gut. Martial was already good before Mourinho came.
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Even so, dropping players for bad performances shouldn't be classed as falling out.
Claiming Shaw has no choice but to bust a gut inplies he's been holding back so Jose was correct in his assessment?
I wish a Utd manager "fell out" with a few more of our players over the last 4 years if thats the standard.
 
Infra-red said:
It's earned by virtue of the fact he is the manager. It's a hierarchy and Pogba is below the manager in it. It has to be that way or the lunatics take over the asylum.
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That's nice in theory. Doesn't work that way in the world of football anymore. People have to realise the sheltered lives they had with Fergie are over.
 
el3mel said:
Then put your head down then and work for fecking the team and let what happens happens I believe ? Since when bitching in the media help anyone ? It sure as hell does't help the players nor the team. It's not your job. You expressed your opinion to CEO. He's responsible for the decision, not you as a player.

Let's not act like Pogba cares that much about the club that he is willing to play the hero role and represent the players by bitching in the media about the manager they don't like. He left us once for himself under Fergie and was/is aiming for a move again, and did nothing for us so far on the pitch.

It's simply unacceptable for any player to undermine his manager in public whatever shite this manager is. I can't believe some are defending this. You can agree with his view or want Mourinho out, that doesn't mean bitching in the media is good.
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Hey, I'm not even saying Pogba is doing this for the club. He may well be doing it 100% for himself - and I can understand that.

It's his career, he only has one shot of it and he's wasting big parts of it at United with a manager who has been a huge failure - and is still keeping his job (which wouldn't have happened at another big club). A manager spreading poison, criticising players time after time (do we find that acceptable?), while doing a very poor coaching job.

So I can totally understand why Pogba is not settling for doing nothing and hoping something good happens. He could end up burning some of his best years - he's got a long way to go on his contract - on a club that is being handled poorly and a manager who is doing a shit job. God knows what damage he already caused Martial and Rashford.
 
Amir said:
That's nice in theory. Doesn't work that way in the world of football anymore. People have to realise the sheltered lives they had with Fergie are over.
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Which other clubs give the players carte blanche to criticise their manager publicly? Or raise the status/importance of an individual player above that of the manager of the team?

Neymar at PSG probably, maybe Messi at Barca? Anywhere else?

It's not outdated to make the manager more important than any individual player. It's just common sense, and most clubs still abide by it.
 
Infra-red said:
Which other clubs give the players carte blanche to criticise their manager publicly? Or raise the status/importance of an individual player above that of the manager of the team?

Neymar at PSG probably, maybe Messi at Barca? Anywhere else?

It's not outdated to make the manager more important than any individual player. It's just common sense, and most clubs still abide by it.
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Most clubs do not abide by it, most clubs are extremely cynical and will side with the most valuable asset whoever that is.
 
Infra-red said:
Which other clubs give the players carte blanche to criticise their manager publicly? Or raise the status/importance of an individual player above that of the manager of the team?

Neymar at PSG probably, maybe Messi at Barca? Anywhere else?

It's not outdated to make the manager more important than any individual player. It's just common sense, and most clubs still abide by it.
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To be fair, that doesn't happen at other clubs because at any other big club, Mourinho would have been binned by now. It's United's fault we've reached this poisoned situation.

It's not a coincidence he's fallen out with players at Real, fallen out with players in his third season at Chelsea. When it turns to crap with Mourinho, it's really crap.
 
Wish someone would ask him why he isn't coaching them properly. Then watch him blame his coaching staff. He just won't take any responsibility for anything. Pogba will go and he will then find someone else to pick on. He is a bully and needs his fix.
 
Amir said:
To be fair, that doesn't happen at other clubs because at any other big club, Mourinho would have been binned by now. It's United's fault we've reached this poisoned situation.

It's not a coincidence he's fallen out with players at Real, fallen out with players in his third season at Chelsea. When it turns to crap with Mourinho, it's really crap.
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You won't get too much argument from me there. I'm not especially relishing the next 6 months of football with him at the helm.
 
DomesticTadpole said:
Wish someone would ask him why he isn't coaching them properly. Then watch him blame his coaching staff. He just won't take any responsibility for anything. Pogba will go and he will then find someone else to pick on. He is a bully and needs his fix.
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Yes, he's not coaching them properly... That's what it is. The most successful manager active in the game today is not coaching players properly.

The nonsense some people come out with, Jesus.
 
WensleyMU said:
Yes, he's not coaching them properly... That's what it is. The most successful manager active in the game today is not coaching players properly.

The nonsense some people come out with, Jesus.
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So how do you explain the football we've seen in the last two+ years?
 
This apparent little rebel group that consists of Rashford, Pogba, Bailly, Martial and Pereira

Whatever about Martial but, the rest?? Especially Pereira :D

Hardly Easter 1916 is it now lads?
 
DomesticTadpole said:
Wish someone would ask him why he isn't coaching them properly. Then watch him blame his coaching staff. He just won't take any responsibility for anything. Pogba will go and he will then find someone else to pick on. He is a bully and needs his fix.
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DT I really like you but I have to disagree.

If he wasn't coaching them properly, why did we finish in 2nd place last season? Why were we the only team in the (relatively impossible) title race last season?
 
WensleyMU said:
Yes, he's not coaching them properly... That's what it is. The most successful manager active in the game today is not coaching players properly.

The nonsense some people come out with, Jesus.
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So you think how we play is fine? This isn't how United are supposed to play. Don't dare bring up the quality of the players, he bought them, he picks the team, he persists with his little darlings who kiss his backside no matter how they play. This is down to him. He is the one who hasn't shifted out players who are well past their sell buy date, because they are so grateful and desperate to still have a career at United. They know if they leave they will be finished.
 
Slevs said:
DT I really like you but I have to disagree.

If he wasn't coaching them properly, why did we finish in 2nd place last season? Why were we the only team in the (relatively impossible) title race last season?
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I think he has let himself get distracted by petty squabbles and is not able to handle the modern footballer.
 
Slevs said:
DT I really like you but I have to disagree.

If he wasn't coaching them properly, why did we finish in 2nd place last season? Why were we the only team in the (relatively impossible) title race last season?
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Apparently we had huge amount of luck. Absolutely huge. And not only that posters on this page claimed he is a huge failure at United.
 
.Rossi said:
This apparent little rebel group that consists of Rashford, Pogba, Bailly, Martial and Pereira

Whatever about Martial but, the rest?? Especially Pereira :D

Hardly Easter 1916 is it now lads?
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That's a more powerful group than one realises. Pogba plus Martial alone would have been a tough enough decision without adding 3 of the other best youths the club has
 
DomesticTadpole said:
So you think how we play is fine? This isn't how United are supposed to play. Don't dare bring up the quality of the players, he bought them, he picks the team, he persists with his little darlings who kiss his backside no matter how they play. This is down to him. He is the one who hasn't shifted out players who are well past their sell buy date, because they are so grateful and desperate to still have a career at United. They know if they leave they will be finished.
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This isn't how any team is supposed to play. I hear from time to time that our football is defensive or something. It's not. Defensive football can be good, if not attractive. Our's is just crap.
 
Infra-red said:
You think Ronaldo could get Allegri sacked at Juve, or Salah could force Klopp out?
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It depends on how the clubs value them, you are trying to create a model that doesn't widely exist as a model. The reality is that big clubs are pragmatic, they will always choose what is best for their future, they don't care about players or managers they can ditch anyone at any point, the manager is never the boss and same thing with the players.
The question is always the same, who is the best asset for the club in the short, mid and long term? You objectively answer that question and you will have the answer every time, at the exception of irrational owners like Zamparini.
 
.Rossi said:
This apparent little rebel group that consists of Rashford, Pogba, Bailly, Martial and Pereira

Whatever about Martial but, the rest?? Especially Pereira :D

Hardly Easter 1916 is it now lads?
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Where's the story about that group? Daily Mail?
 
Amir said:
So how do you explain the football we've seen in the last two+ years?
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5 years*

And player attitudes.

In those 5 years, Jose has got better than the other two out of the players. But he is still suffering with players who are either mentally weak, to big for their own boots or just not good enough.

We have to many Nani's, they can be brilliant one week, and invisible the next.
 
.Rossi said:
Rashford, Pereira and Bailly...

Never mind Scholes and Giggs, they're not even Wes Brown or Keith Gillespie
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Yeah but the likes of Lukaku, Matic, Young and Lingard are no prizes either. Then there's Mctominay..
 
Amir said:
Hey, I'm not even saying Pogba is doing this for the club. He may well be doing it 100% for himself - and I can understand that.

It's his career, he only has one shot of it and he's wasting big parts of it at United with a manager who has been a huge failure - and is still keeping his job (which wouldn't have happened at another big club). A manager spreading poison, criticising players time after time (do we find that acceptable?), while doing a very poor coaching job.

So I can totally understand why Pogba is not settling for doing nothing and hoping something good happens. He could end up burning some of his best years - he's got a long way to go on his contract - on a club that is being handled poorly and a manager who is doing a shit job. God knows what damage he already caused Martial and Rashford.
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Even if the manager is Moyes himself it's unacceptable to bitch about him in public while he's still your boss. You either go and tell CEO, bring a big offer to leave or put your head down and work. All 3 options are better and more professional.
 
Infra-red said:
You think Ronaldo could get Allegri sacked at Juve, or Salah could force Klopp out?
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I don't think those are good comparisons tbh. The obvious choice would be Salah and Ronaldo if their team were underperforming. Even Ronaldo just got signed for 100m and sky rocketed Juve's revenues. If he maybe, performs there for over a season, I doubt Juve will pick Allegri over him especially if he was still young.
 
WensleyMU said:
5 years*

And player attitudes.

In those 5 years, Jose has got better than the other two out of the players. But he is still suffering with players who are either mentally weak, to big for their own boots or just not good enough.

We have to many Nani's, they can be brilliant one week, and invisible the next.
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You're talking about five years as if what Moyes and LVG have done put Mourinho in a hole you can't get out of. Look at Klopp or Guardiola and how they were able to instill their brand of football. Klopp managed to do so even though some of his players clearly weren't all that great, but he made them look better.

Mourinho got tons of money to replace players, but even the one's he bought haven't been good enough for the most part or. He got two big talents such as Martial and Rashford, and hasn't been able to improve them one bit. In fact, they have gone backwards. If the problem is partially mental, then he hasn't been able to instill his mentality. He hasn't been able to take one player and make him better, make him a quality, consistent player.

So all and all, what has he done for us?
 
el3mel said:
Even if the manager is Moyes himself it's unacceptable to bitch about him in public while he's still your boss. You either go and tell CEO, bring a big offer to leave or put your head down and work. All 3 options are better and more professional.
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He could have gone to Barca in the summer, Unitesd said no. Since he asked to leave in the summer, it makes sense he would have talked to Woodward and explain why. Didn't help.

So all you're leaving him with is that he should continue to train and hope something changes. Which, frankly, is not good enough. Very easy for us fans to say he should do nothing and accept the situation. A little harder when it's your career.
 
Ballache said:
If results aren't great and the team isn't performing to its potential? Absolutely.
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Cassidy said:
If the team were playing shite for 2 seasons yes.
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In those circumstances they'd be sacking him because of the results and the quality of the football, which are perfectly legitimate reasons to dispense with your manager. The precedent that sets is a good one - if you (the manager) fail to win games or subject us all to having to watch shite football for years, you'll be out on your arse.

That's quite different from sacking the manager because some individual in his squad doesn't like him and keeps telling the world about it. The message that sends is completely wrong and will make the next manager's job nigh impossible.
 
This argument that you can't sack Mourinho because it's giving in to 'player power' is less convincing than Jones trying to defend against Hazard.

1. If Mourinho ends up getting sacked it will be based on many factors, almost all of which are more important than him and Pogba not seeing eye to eye.
2. The conclusion of this 'logic' is that any time a manager losses the dressing room you have to get rid of the dressing room. There's a reason this never happens.
 
Amir said:
He could have gone to Barca in the summer, Unitesd said no. Since he asked to leave in the summer, it makes sense he would have talked to Woodward and explain why. Didn't help.

So all you're leaving him with is that he should continue to train and hope something changes. Which, frankly, is not good enough. Very easy for us fans to say he should do nothing and accept the situation. A little harder when it's your career.
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It's not really our problem that they brought such a terrible offer. If they rate him that highly why didn't they offer more ?

Yes. He needs to shut down and work without bitching in the media, it doesn't help anyone and it's not his job.

It's how any one of us do in his work when he gets problem. There's something called authority. Your boss has an authority on you even if he's a shite boss. You can hate him, you can talk low about him with your friends but you can't go in public and say he's a shite boss when he's still in work. Otherwise you will get yourself fired. That's how any company works and these are rules. Your boss is your boss, and there's certain rules on dealing with him. If you are putting yourself toe to toe with your boss you won't last long at any job I'm afraid.
 
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